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Post by Kassandros on Jul 8, 2008 15:47:52 GMT -5
Epirot "But it has been years that you vomit the same b.s. in this forum. " --------------------------- most propably you dont follow my posts well.. Pyrros hates me because I like Albanians How cant I hate Dorian people. I just dont like the North Albanians and their Muslim mentality. Listen... not Muslim religion... Muslim mentality. These are 2 different things. Arabs are Muslims and I like them. Albanian Muslims have that... "lets grab" "lets kill" " lets expand" "lets kill Greeks"... Why should I like them? See Kasso, Luma and the other Albanian Muslim scientists of this forum. You can almost understand who is Muslim for his posts even if he/she does not mention religion at all.. "As I have said before, I respect (well... tolerate/disregard) ahristos much more than you guys. He hates albanians just like you do, but at least he doesn't argue or debate about anything." -------------------------------------------------------------- Most propably then... you will never like me. I argue and I debate. 2 different worlds you and me. "Whereas you two make so little sense while trying to debate that it sounds pathetic. I don't think you two realise how stupid you sound. It's unbelivable! " ----------------------------------------------- ...that is how things usually are... when you argue with someone.. You have to be deep in democracy and Christian mentality in order to accept it. Do you know how funny I found your nickname "Epirotis"... and your Greece-hate being the same? Everytime I see you speaking about Greece and using the word "Epirotis".... I remember King Pirus of Epirus, I remember the Royal family of Molosoi in Epirus, I remember the Duke of Epirus Komninos, ... who gave their bloods for Hellenism.. ...and then you come in the picture with the Albanian flag.. hating Greeks.. and bla bla bla.. ..Have you ever thought how funny and and stupid that seems into my eyes? Ok... cut the commounist and Saria stuff for macho guys... and lets continue talking. That is what forums are for...
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libofsha
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socially inept village idiot who is having a meltdown daily
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Post by libofsha on Jul 8, 2008 16:27:44 GMT -5
basil....if you spew sheet like this just to get a rise out of us the its cool, i like verbal jousting as much as the next person...
but if you truly believe this garbage then you are in dire need of help, you don't know anything about albania....'i don't like northern albs and their muslim mentality' 'kill' 'do this' 'do that' 'something about killing greeks'......northern albs are predominantly catholic you delightfull imbecile, is this type of crippling ignorance that just gets my blood boiling, northern albs have never had any direct contact with greek conflict.....greeks are hated in southern albania you 'all knowing oracle'. that mentality which you referred to, is the rough and uncompromising profile of the alb northerner, nothing to do with religion....and they do not kill people just for kicks you insolent punk, its statements like this that have made greeks like you the laughing stock of europe, northener are renowned for their fierce lifestyle, however they are respected for their tradition of 'Besa', 'the oath of the northener', and for their hospitality, which many foreign authors have described it as 'unseen, unheard of and unrivalled, The Northener take great pride in welcoming their guest, to feast them and cater to them as if they were kings', their generosity is unmatched and their fighting skills 'are brutal'
this is not a religious trait, alb northerners have(had) their own version of governing "The Kanun" which they follow religiously, learn about blood feuds so educate yourself and stop spreading this abhorrable bulls**t all over the forum, ignorance can be forgiven but misrepresentation of facts is deplorable.
the truth shall set you free!
oh by the way, i am a christian from south and i don't have a very high opinion of greeks, just to give you an example and crumble your distorted belief system.
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Post by Kassandros on Jul 8, 2008 17:02:55 GMT -5
"oh by the way, i am a christian from south" ------------------------ ok ok ok lol lol lol ....and I'm Eskimo from Botswana When I say northeners... how do you involve Katholics inside the conversation.. and not the Muslim who represent the majority to the Gegks? One more question; Would you like to give your doughter to a Gegk? Can you live side by side with their "rough and uncompromising profile".. .as you mention instead of.. voulgarity and brutality that you're thinking deep in your mind? Does a family from a south, a Tosk family.. has any kind of similarities in their culture and behavior with a family of Gegks? listen mate... I know what Tosks in Greece tell me about Gegks. I know that they dont even want to work together in the same job.... and if that happens... I saw how typical they are to eachother. I have never been to Albania... but I'm not blind. The only thing you have in common you guys in this forum... is the hate against Greeks due to your inferiority complexes or due to your Turkish heritage. That is what gives your unity. Not the same stock. On the other hand.. I understand you.. You were sitting in holes all over south Albania with Kalasnikovs in your hands waiting the Greeks to attack you. That is what Hotza was telling you for years. When you first came in Greece... you saw Greeks being in beachbars having fun know nothing about this "attack".... and suddenly... you start hating them because they have good time.... and Money.. Sorry guys.... its time to pass to the next level; if ever your American friends let you to..
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Post by Toskaliku on Jul 8, 2008 19:44:50 GMT -5
His very name indicates his origins you nitwit. In fact, from that alone I know exactly what part of the south he is from. The vast majority of the forum members here have been Tosks. From me to Fannoli(Fieraku), Shpata, Suliot, Thika, Thoti, Kapedani, Tulipani. What has united us all? A general distaste of anything Greek. Your making these classifications without any knowledge. Do you know that almost all of the Albs in Greece are Tosks? Who do you think has been doing the killings and crime? LOL, Do you know what happened in the south in 97? Of course you dont. Tosks picked up guns while the Greek minority, as usual, went to hide or fled to Greece. PS: Do you know where 99% of Greek flag burnings in Albania have occurred? Here is a hint, its not in Kosova Hoxha didnt give a ratsass about Greeks. He cared about those who controlled Greece: the west. The Americans specifically since they were the ones who last tried to overthrow him. We are not the ones who took in 1 million ppl from today's Turkey. I dont know what Turkish heritage is. We like the Turkish people for various reasons. The difference is the fact that Tosks were more assimilated in the Ottoman system. All those TurkoAlvanoi you so greatly fear, all of them were Tosks. We were the ones whom the Ottomans hired to deal with Greeks. Is that why my mother worked as a secretary to one when she worked for the democratic party? You know nothing, as usual. As I said, regionalism in Albania is still high since full on nationalism grew very slowly. I would rather my country be the only ally of America in the Balkans then share a mentality with you people.
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Post by Teuta1975 on Jul 8, 2008 19:59:42 GMT -5
Basil,
the division between Gegs and Tosks has led many people to wrong conclusions. Let me clarify something: Geg and Tosk are dialects and not people. North Albanians are harsher than South because life was harsher (colder) and during Enver Hoxha, North was completely left behind and South took priority. Albanians are the same Basil: they are not outnumbered and had had to survive in centuries. Therefore, I spit on those so-called Tosks you mentioned, who are not any worse than any north Albanian. Albanians are all the same. If they spoke to you that way, it is indeed the inferiority complex. But I am proud of being like a North Albanian: harsh, hospitable, and respect Besa and traditions. What's wrong here? As per hating Greeks? Who cares about hating? I hate to hate. Therefore, I am a mix of North and South....very south actually...I possess all the best and the worse of both sides. Take me as example to judge the rest of Albanians, born and grown up in Albania, with ambitious and harshness, pride and wisdom; ready to fight and to love with heart; but never, never cowards or inferior...(unless those fellas in Greece). They might have been Greek minority after all...who knows....
--------------------------------- as you may notice: religious is not even matter to take in consideration. Average Albanians really don't care...as long as one is Albanian with the above mentioned characteristics.
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Post by danceswithpoodles on Jul 8, 2008 20:06:38 GMT -5
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Say all you want. Wish all you want. Tosk, gheg....I think you all have complexes. In the end what matters most is your family, putting food on the table and a good life. Your corrupt government and your flag will not do that for you.
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Post by Teuta1975 on Jul 8, 2008 20:10:07 GMT -5
I think you have complexes too.
Recall Greece years ago? Albania is going through transition now. Albania will shine in 15 years....we'll talk again then.
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Post by danceswithpoodles on Jul 8, 2008 20:18:32 GMT -5
Keep dreaming. Your mentality is that of cavemen.
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Post by Teuta1975 on Jul 8, 2008 20:28:16 GMT -5
lol...keep thinking we have the mentality of a caveman...lol...lol...will help you sleep well...lol...lol...lol...
Eva, for you and others...(even though it's old)
;D ;D ;D
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Post by danceswithpoodles on Jul 8, 2008 20:31:21 GMT -5
Yeah, shiny new stolen Mercedes Benz in every Albanian home.
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Post by Teuta1975 on Jul 8, 2008 20:38:34 GMT -5
Stealing...Albanians start with Mercedez...but end up stealing hearts...
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Post by captainalbania on Jul 8, 2008 21:18:19 GMT -5
It's funny because it's true. All the 'TurkAlvanoi' were Tosks like Ali Pasha Tepelena because they knew how to deal with Greek dinakria.
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Post by Toskaliku on Jul 8, 2008 21:26:40 GMT -5
Its not just ignored, it was dealt harshly by Baba Enveri. The social differences between the north and south(mountain to flat land) meant that Tosks were able to settle into villages. From there on many look at Ghegs with disdain at having failed to "civilize". Even men like Naim and Abdyl Frasheri spoke of Ghegs as needing to be civilized. Tosks were far more organized in the Ottoman system and became traders and merchants, on top of administrators, while Ghegs refused to even take part in the Ottoman system and did not allow for the empire to touch them. They, in turn, remained backwards and suffered under Enveri for it.
Enveri was among the many other Tosks who saw a need for the "dire" civilization of the Ghegs and started a very harsh persecution of the most conservative ones.
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Post by albquietman on Jul 9, 2008 1:00:49 GMT -5
" When I say northeners... how do you involve Katholics inside the conversation.. and not the Muslim who represent the majority to the Gegks? One more question; Would you like to give your doughter to a Gegk? Can you live side by side with their "rough and uncompromising profile".. .as you mention instead of.. voulgarity and brutality that you're thinking deep in your mind? Does a family from a south, a Tosk family.. has any kind of similarities in their culture and behavior with a family of Gegks? listen mate... I know what Tosks in Greece tell me about Gegks. I know that they dont even want to work together in the same job.... and if that happens... I saw how typical they are to eachother. I have never been to Albania... but I'm not blind. The only thing you have in common you guys in this forum... is the hate against Greeks due to your inferiority complexes or due to your Turkish heritage. That is what gives your unity. Not the same stock. On the other hand.. I understand you.. You were sitting in holes all over south Albania with Kalasnikovs in your hands waiting the Greeks to attack you. That is what Hotza was telling you for years. When you first came in Greece... you saw Greeks being in beachbars having fun know nothing about this "attack".... and suddenly... you start hating them because they have good time.... and Money.. Sorry guys.... its time to pass to the next level; if ever your American friends let you to.. I didn't want to quote all your post here Basil, but after reading it a couple of times, I realized that I needed to... The reason is, sorry to say that, that you don't even know what you're talking about, and that's what I have noticed with all you greeks here. Geghs and tosks in Albania used and still live side by side to each-other...and of course if people live side by side, since they are humans, they fall in love (male and female I mean, not the contrary as it might happen where you live ...), and the result is the marriage. It happened too often in Albania, and Teuta just proved that here. And that wasn't a mix of races, because gegh and tosks are albanians, the same race. I don't know what some desperate people that happened to be tosks tell you there, and I'm not sure if that's true anyway, but we albanians don't hate each-other just because we belong to different parts of it. Of course there are differences between north and south, like in every country, including your country, but that doesn't translate with hatred as you're trying to tell us here. Turkish heritage? Lol...I hope you didn't spend a lot of time to reach in such conclusion, because if you did, I'm not happy to tell you that you just waisted your time. Ottomans invaded both of our countries. If they managed to change our race 100% in 500 years that they were in Albania , in 400 years that they were in Greece they should had managed to change your race 80%...simple math isn't it? So...make sure if you're not a turk yourself, because we might be cousins... This is the last one, because I know you probably got bored of my long post...forget about Hoxha and what you've heard about him. You should wish Hoxha was alive, because he loved you guys...we can't say we love you like him...kinda we like you, but not really until you give us a wooden horse as a gift with an empty belly...by the way we don't mind topless greek girls with miniskirts if you put them in his belly...
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Post by chalkedon on Jul 9, 2008 4:13:12 GMT -5
Well...i read Basils posts as well and he is spot on.
Kind of funny how all the albs that are disputing our " knowledge " are from the states or abroad.
You sir...dont know what your talking about. Come to Athens to find out how your countrymen really feel about Greece. Instead of ASSuming...
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Post by Toskaliku on Jul 9, 2008 4:25:44 GMT -5
How about you go to Albania and ask? Keep in mind, Albs in Greece are "abroad" as well. Funny enough, I bet you that Albs in the states have the ability to keep stronger ties to Albania then they do... Where I live is no indicator, I have property in Albania and return there when I feel, or when I can accumulate a solid 2k of cash... which isnt hard. Keep in mind, things change when turf changes. Albs in Greece have no choice, Albs in Albania are free. Also, what kind of response will I get if I asked a Greek-American how he feels about America? Hell, most Greeks I know who live here dont even feel a slight bit of sympathy for Serbia... most dont know anything about their brother nation. This also, unfortunately, applies to Albs here in the states who dont know a thing about Turks.
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Post by chalkedon on Jul 9, 2008 4:30:13 GMT -5
Tosk...i was a die hard nationalist when i was in the states..its natural. But you guys overdue it and have no idea of " realities ". The albs in greece have no choice ?! LOL ! wishfull thinking !
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Post by Toskaliku on Jul 9, 2008 4:35:18 GMT -5
1. As I have stated before, Albs in Greece make no difference to me. None. The real Albs I care about are those who are in Albania. 2. Those same Albs who say nice things in Greece, end up coming to Albania and talking about how bad it is to live under Greeks. I have experienced it first hand with family members who live in the same city as yours. 3. Again, The Albs of Greece are not my concern. Those who like it will end up staying, many others will leave. There have been a number of members here in the forum who have lived or live in Greece. I cant count how many of them came here and started the anti-Greek rants. Do you think they speak like that regularly? Nah, its a secret...
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Post by chalkedon on Jul 9, 2008 4:42:12 GMT -5
1. As I have stated before, Albs in Greece make no difference to me. None. The real Albs I care about are those who are in Albania.
The ones in albania are coming here...and they dont hate us. Get it through your head. All they care about is a better standard of living. And we do provide it.
2. Those same Albs who say nice things in Greece, end up coming to Albania and talking about how bad it is to live under Greeks. I have experienced it first hand with family members who live in the same city as yours.
who doesnt do that ?! We all do the same ! Thats normal..espescially in the balkans. Hell, i talk shiit about the US and Greece all the time depending on what rant mode im in and where im in. Its natural...
3. Again, The Albs of Greece are not my concern. Those who like it will end up staying, many others will leave. There have been a number of members here in the forum who have lived or live in Greece. I cant count how many of them came here and started the anti-Greek rants. Do you think they speak like that regularly? Nah, its a secret...
Those are the ones that failed. Again...we provide a better life for them. They enjoy it here, the lifestyle, the money and the stability. They will not give that up for any stupid nationalist that feels the way you do.
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Post by Toskaliku on Jul 9, 2008 4:57:23 GMT -5
No, they will give it up when things become better in Albania. Its true, nationalism doesnt feed people. But just like it happened with Greek-Americans, you will start seeing in the next 15-20 years, Albs in Greece will start to return to Albania, slowly and slowly. As the nation gets better, it will be easier for the youth to associate with the older land and, sociologically, it has been shown that third-generation immigrants are the "return immigrants", meaning those who wish to go back to the old homeland.
Like I said, the opinion that matters is not what comes from someone who crossed the border, but the view from within, or those without the limitations an Alb from Greece has. I dont know how they have grown, but I see how the new nationalism inside Albania is changing Albs. Hell during the 90's I remember none of my parents even spoke about what was happening in Kosova. We never heard anything in school, nothing. Now everyone wants to hear everything.
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