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Post by Arxileas on May 30, 2008 8:53:05 GMT -5
Luma1912 chill dude before I delete your a$$ stop with the flame wars.
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Post by Arxileas on May 30, 2008 9:03:06 GMT -5
That Mayor abused his position & wasted tax payers money. A Mayor must act in good faith for the best interest of his constituents. Bi-lingual road signs are not in the best interest of all.
It is good to see he will be punished for going beyond his authority. We may never know for sure if this story is even factual. Considering the claims came from the Albanian officials and not some other credible neutral source. If true I applaud him, considering what the Epirotes have been through for more then 80 years, don’t blame them. The Albanian authorities are depriving the Greek minorities more then ever as the member evergr pointed out with a link on page one "the wheel is turning" I hope so.
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Post by mike67 on May 30, 2008 9:59:03 GMT -5
Guys, about Himara, these people are not Greeks at all, I speak Greek and I'm an Orthodox but this does not make me Greek. In himara villagers, have done a lot of business with Greece (CORFU) for centuries selling fish, orange,s olives and other goods. That's how they had learn Greek, it is simple as that. You can say that there were some marriages between them., but still very few. Himara use to be very poor, and still is, e big number of them did not complete any high school, I remember 80's & 90's in Himara, a lot of ignorance and also hate for communist government. That's the reason why people there thing that is better off with Greece than Albania.. my point Himara is Albanian..Peace
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Post by greek1234 on May 30, 2008 10:11:20 GMT -5
Yeh, theres a thing called history, you should bother learning some. No chit? there is something called school where you learn how to write! "Heart" lmao Ok now someone tell me when was south Albania greece? Yes Albania was full of Greeks since antiquity, there is no doubt about it, the ancient Greeks had colonies, the city of Dyrhacchion (What you call Duress) during the middle ages was full of Greeks and many Italian merchants. During late antiquity the southern Balkans spoke Greek while the northern Balkans spoke Latin, Illyrian was only isolated in the mountains, it eventually died out just like Thracian and other ancient tongues.
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Post by epiroti on May 30, 2008 10:34:59 GMT -5
I don't know if this was said above, as I didn't read all the replies, so forgive me in case I'm simply repeating it.
Bollano is accussed of stealing over a million euros from greeks (goverment and lobies) which were given to help Himara. I posted an article about this some time ago. (this was published Top Media group - but he probably paid the right people and is getting away with it) He is absolutely the most pathetic politician in Albania. Pretends to care about Himara's greeks but steals all the donated money. Claims to be greek but is an ignorant villager from Tepelena (of alb ethnicity). Makes statements that are in nobody's interest. He is even in very bad terms, from what I remember, with the PBDNJ party (a greek minority party - which by the way has even been part of the government, so we're not really discriminating).
If he was a mayor (who claimed to be of a different ethnicity, and behaived like he does in Himara) in Greece, Serbia, or a bunch of other countries, he would have been in jail, or at least fired, a very long time ago.
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Post by Arxileas on May 30, 2008 10:49:58 GMT -5
I don't know if this was said above, as I didn't read all the replies, so forgive me in case I'm simply repeating it.
Bollano is accussed of stealing over a million euros from greeks (goverment and lobies) which were given to help Himara. I posted an article about this some time ago. (this was published Top Media group - but he probably paid the right people and is getting away with it) He is absolutely the most pathetic politician in Albania. Pretends to care about Himara's greeks but steals all the donated money. Claims to be greek but is an ignorant villager from Tepelena (of alb ethnicity). Makes statements that are in nobody's interest. He is even in very bad terms, from what I remember, with the PBDNJ party (a greek minority party - which by the way has even been part of the government, so we're not really discriminating).
If he was a mayor (who claimed to be of a different ethnicity, and behaived like he does in Himara) in Greece, Serbia, or a bunch of other countries, he would have been in jail, or at least fired, a very long time ago. I'll keep this with open mind, need to really confirm it with some insiders "Greek Epirotes" I am in touch with and hope they can verify this information.
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Post by kartadolofonos on May 30, 2008 19:17:41 GMT -5
Vorio-Epirotic claiming the incorporation of the territories located south of the river Shkumbini to Greece (that is more than 1/3 of the current territory of Albania.)
Albania continues to denying of real size of Greek minority in Albania. Albanian leaders do not want any measure of our number to be taken is so that they…can claim that most ethnic Greeks have left the country.
About 90% of the population is ethnic Albanian, 10% is ethnic Greek
Ethnic Greeks, who have lived in the area since Homer's time
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Post by Kassandros on May 31, 2008 3:48:41 GMT -5
Guys there is no need for conficts. We all agree that Albanians had to have their humans rights in Kossovo during Milosevits times. Albanians included in those human rights demands the Albanian flag outside the governemtn buildings, Albanian language in the schools and Albanian speaking university. The question is... do today Albanians, strong supporters of the human rights of minorities in the Balkans... agree for the Greek minority to have the Greek flag outside the govnt buildings, Greek at school and Greek speaking university in the region? Simple... yes or no? Human rights or power games?
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Post by Toskaliku on May 31, 2008 3:56:40 GMT -5
Greek minority centers do not move outside of villages. All cities are principally occupied by Albs, vast majority but Muslim Albs... so obviously no government buildings. Secondly, there are no autonomous centers in Albania... therefore there should be no Greek flag hanging anywhere. If any Greek has the balls to try it, well, youll have more videos of Albs burning Greek flags.
Albania does not have Kosovos. Meaning that we dont have large concentration of minorities in a given region where they make up 80-90%. Slavs and Greeks are dispersed among rural zones generally surrounded by Alb colonies. Cities are firmly in Alb control; thus centers of administration. Thus what your asking is illogical and I dont see any Alb politician allow it as long as he wants to live. They can sell themselves out, but the Alb people are less and less likely to tolerate it now.
More importantly, I would love to see the Greek/Slav minority of Albania wiped clean so no. ;D
I dont see why Albs have to give anything, we can just wait it out. You people are killing yourself off without anyone even attacking you.
Difference is that Albanians inhabited Kosova with a 85%+ majority. We comprised not 3%(like the Greeks do, under nice numbers), but, if Serbia is 6 million, we were 25% of the entire country. A big difference.
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Post by Arxileas on May 31, 2008 4:42:05 GMT -5
The Protocol of Corfu in 1917 "and others as shown in this topic" addressed the worries of the Greek minority by recommending that the region should be granted a level of autonomy within Albania and that the rights of minorities should be respected.
Autonomy has never been granted and, according to human rights groups, the Greek minority have been subject to violations of their rights by successive Albanian administrations "both communist and democratic". Whats the difference between this case and Kosovo ? Like the Albanians in Kosovo, the Greeks in North Epirus have wanted autonomy for a long time.
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Post by whatever on May 31, 2008 7:30:32 GMT -5
You need to get yourself a life. Pretty soon you will realize your stupidity. Either that or you're going to be a weird adult with no friends. Greek minority will stay on their lands and fly their flags and albania will have no choice if they want to become an EU member. Looks like we get what we want.
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Post by Toskaliku on May 31, 2008 10:33:28 GMT -5
A Greek-Albanian school in Korca that pretty much gives students the chance to learn the language now prior to leaving. I dont know how the Greeks are going to survive Eva, their not producing kids; and all the young kids are gone, to Greece. You should go to southern Albania one day, see for yourself how empty any of the Greek areas now. I mentioned in the past how some of their houses are so old and abandoned that they are pretty much crumbling. Small mountain areas that look like mini-Pontus villages in Turkey. It is the most beautiful thing in the world. Roofs caving in all over the place. Graffiti from local Albs all over the place. Its an almost euphoric sight. I said that there shouldnt be flags other than Alb flying, but the truth us our government is weak and people in the complete south often get away with it(though this is a school in Korca). In the age of nationalism, minorities are a problem settled best by extermination. Greece did it with its minorities, as does Albania with its. Thankfully, the failure of the Greek part to actually reproduce will eliminate the need for arms. The sooner you realize that the Corfu Protocol will never be implemented and that neither the US nor EU will ever accept it at this point the sooner youll sleep. PS: Kosovar Albanians were not seeking just autonomy, that was when it was revoked after over 30 years of having it.
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Post by panagiotopoulos on May 31, 2008 11:22:34 GMT -5
A Greek-Albanian school in Korca that pretty much gives students the chance to learn the language now prior to leaving. I dont know how the Greeks are going to survive Eva, their not producing kids; and all the young kids are gone, to Greece. You should go to southern Albania one day, see for yourself how empty any of the Greek areas now. I mentioned in the past how some of their houses are so old and abandoned that they are pretty much crumbling. Small mountain areas that look like mini-Pontus villages in Turkey. It is the most beautiful thing in the world. Roofs caving in all over the place. Graffiti from local Albs all over the place. Its almost euphoric. I said that there shouldnt be flags other than Alb flying, but the truth us our government is weak and people in the complete south often get away with it(though this is a school in Korca). In the age of nationalism, minorities are a problem settled best by extermination. Greece did it with its minorities, as does Albania with its. Thankfully, the failure of the Greek part to actually reproduce will eliminate the need for arms. The sooner you realize that the Corfu Protocol will never be implemented and that neither the US nor EU will ever accept it at this point the sooner youll sleep. PS: Kosovar Albanians were not seeking just autonomy, that was when it was revoked after over 30 years of having it. Racism, hatred and the compassion of an animal... there is no other way to explain you. Nothing more.
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Post by panagiotopoulos on May 31, 2008 11:25:37 GMT -5
Funny how you always seem to take the viewpoint of a Turk in nearly every matter. Hmmm... coincidence? I think it is hilarious that you think the U.S is supportive of Albania??? NOBODY IN THE US gives a shit. 99 percent could not even locate it on a map!!! Not because we are dumb, but there was never a single reason throughout all of history to even bother looking to Albania. If you ask any normal and average American they will be able to tell you zip about Albania. Why??? There is not reason. Nada en especial! Remove your lips from the American dick.
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Post by Toskaliku on May 31, 2008 11:32:26 GMT -5
Thats not a coincidence. I have always supported Turks over Greeks, I dont know an Alb that wouldnt.
US is not its people; and I didnt say that the US support Albania, I said we are under its wing now; and it doesnt seem to give much ear to Greek diplomacy, I mean, look at the FYROM issue so far.
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Post by panagiotopoulos on May 31, 2008 11:35:41 GMT -5
Let me also add that you should probably remove your lips from the Turkish d**k too.
Turkey and America are your pimps you Albow**re.
The only American that supports the Fyromians on the name issue is GEORGE BUSH. THE MOST HATED MAN IN THE WORLD. BOY YOU GUYS REALLY MAKE SOME GOOD ALLIANCES. I cant wait till his term is over. Bring in some new blood and out with the old.
It is a play on words that the Fyromians use. They merely dupe people into calling them Macedonia. I have to admit that this issue confused me terribly as a Greek American when it started coming to the table. In school we learned about the GREEK MACEDONIANS. In school we learned a tremendous amount of Greek history. GREECE WAS EVERYTHING. THE BEGINNING. Then I run into some Albos on this board claiming such significant things, yet holding such an unimportant place in the world. Albanians clearly are no different than the Fyromians.
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Post by panagiotopoulos on May 31, 2008 11:46:54 GMT -5
The difference why U.S foreign policy may seem to give more ear to Albania or Fyrom is because we do not need their help to stand on our own two feet. You guys are like the underdeveloped child among civilized nations. You need the help. Its pretty obvious. I mean come on! The Fyrom issue is not even fair for the Fyromians. They and a multitude of other countries want to recognize them as Macedonia. GREECE, SAYS NO AND THEY REMAIN FYROM. That sounds that Greek diplomats need absolutely no help from AMERICANS.
Most likely EPIRUS and the rest of Albania will remain a primitive backwater while people like you remain in charge. Congratulations on having the s**ttiest nation in all of Europe. You should be proud.
Its just like in America. When the Mavroi move in the decent folks move out. On to bigger and better pastures. Epirus is no different. Guess who is the Mavroi???
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Post by Teuta1975 on May 31, 2008 13:22:03 GMT -5
Basil wrote: It didn't look like Greeks all agree that Albanians had to have their human rights in Kosovo! Not even a pronunciation for the genocide when it took place (did the Greeks ever pronounced for Bosnians massacres?) Instead, Greeks protested against NATO's bombing...they claimed they were protested because no nation has the right to bomb another nation, forgetting that it was NATO's decision! Further more, Serbs' government was given many possibilities to stop what it was doing (through Rambuie and the warnings during the Massacres in Bosnia...the world was watching and waiting Serbs to stop it...) in the end, the world decided to intervene as to stop an injustice...if Serbs refused to stop the violence by "good" manners such as warnings, the world decided to put an end to it...because no one has the right to expel people from their homes too... As for Greek flag in Albania...Greek minority is free to wave its flag in the areas where they live. They do so. They are free to attend Greek schools in those areas and are free to attend the University of Tirana, Greek department...there is one. But they can't waive Greek flag in Tirana's institutions, same as Kosovars are not waiving Albanian flag or Kosovar flag in Belgrade's institutions. However, again I suggest you to go to South Albania and look with your own eyes. You might come up with another opinion after that. Also, Greek minority is given all the right to build a Greek University in the Region. They simply are not doing it
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Post by Teuta1975 on May 31, 2008 13:38:18 GMT -5
Funny how you always seem to take the viewpoint of a Turk in nearly every matter. Hmmm... coincidence? I think it is hilarious that you think the U.S is supportive of Albania??? NOBODY IN THE US gives a s**t. 99 percent could not even locate it on a map!!! Not because we are dumb, but there was never a single reason throughout all of history to even bother looking to Albania. If you ask any normal and average American they will be able to tell you zip about Albania. Why??? There is not reason. Nada en especial! Remove your lips from the American d**k. I think most Americans know where Serbia is though...and where Afghanistan is...guess why?! It is not a crime for average Americans not to know Albania, a tiny country in another continent. It is a shame for Greeks (with such a huge history) to compare with Albanians, who were busy with pushing the oppressor from their lands all along! That's what they were doing; they were not usurping other's lands, but they have been doing the most sublime act: trying to free their country! Why should any American know about that?
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Post by filomen on Jun 3, 2008 6:06:08 GMT -5
arqileas the treaty of 1915 qas an hiden treaty to content italy-serbi and greec and naturly to divide albania and so this treaty was push away from american president udro wilson by the way Italy after a short war with albanian capituleitid and so they retreat from vlora tepelena and argjirokaster this kind of treaty was a "pazar" to make italy greec to join antanta power so as tosk and teuata said befor now days with those teories no body want to spent world anymore... by the way Vasil Bollano is tryanig just to avoid the question of corruptet isues to doing licencs of bilding in this area creating the so called tension entic and alsou there are a lot of rich greecs diaspora that now are in an older age and spend their money in those activitis and its obvisly that some pop. have find the golden (vaso) amfora to eat and eat
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