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Post by julius on Mar 29, 2008 18:29:51 GMT -5
In order to understand what bothers me, I think Greece should back off on the name issue. If not the Americans will bring to her more trouble. That’s my sin-cere way of thinking. U don’t like it, its okay. I can redirect u to some Greeks also who think the same way. Also, I predict in the way things are going, alb and Greece will get far from each other. And if this happens again, alb will be "forced" to ally with other countries...something in the likes of Turkey. I really don’t want that too.
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Post by Kanaris on Mar 29, 2008 18:33:00 GMT -5
Isn't Albania already allied with Turkey?
What is the general public opinion in Greece on the name issue..?
In the beginning I laughed at this name issue and always thought Greece was overreacting ..but now we started the ball rolling..so even if we want to back down.... we will get b!tchslapped anyway... I think it's pretty hard to back down....
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Post by julius on Mar 29, 2008 18:48:59 GMT -5
No its not. Albania is an indipendent state allies with everyone. The most trade exchanging are made with Greece. (this is both obvius and understandable). we are living in capitalism and can both accept that. Who gives more takes it all.
But the picture goes like this:
every bank u see in Greece, u can see it in alb. in telecomunication, cel net three out of four companies are greek, and only one turk. There are plenty of greek bisness companies and not even comparable with the turkish ones.
Also, there is a greek Party there in the parlament. So Greece has more posibilities to see Alb as a real ally. But Greece is chiting the pants out of Big Albania.
On the name issue I cant really tell...I think every politician who is in charge would LOVE to make any deal or stop it. they have to deal also with people opinion and pressure, and cant really back off now.
Now its all about EGO. And I see it like a message for future politics in the region.
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Post by ilirdardani on Mar 29, 2008 19:47:12 GMT -5
I personally agree with Greece since Macedonians were Illyrian (mixed with greeks) and the current slavs in Macedonia which call themselves Macedonians are liers and should not be allowed to do that.
The only people worthy of calling themselves Macedonian are todays greeks and albanians.
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Post by Kastorianos on Mar 29, 2008 19:50:15 GMT -5
What are you talking about? The Americans and the other NATO members have repeated several times that Greece is an old ally and its interests cannot be brushed under the carpet...this has been said several times and France and Germany did indirectly urge fyrom to move from its fixed attitude.
You say Greece shall back off...why? Because you are no Greek and cannot feel empathy with the Greek Makedonians. The great majority of the Greeks says according to polls that it wants their government to veto fyroms admission to the nato if no solution is found. You are not able to see things patriotically, as you would do if it was about albania. On the other hand you come and tell us how well integrated you are in Greece and that you love the Greeks. Ama einai etsi i agapi ti tous theloume tous echthrous. You tell me you know Greeks who think the same way...that goes for a small minority of communists... You think you are well integrated but apparently you dont realize that you have taken already the path of opposition on principle when we are talking about Greek interests. And thats not the behaviour of an immigrant, who should be grateful for what his host country has offered to him. I myself live outside of Greece and know what Im talking about.
An esi agapas pragmatika tin Ellada ego eimai Kinezos. Esi koitas monacha pos na spoudaseis ekei gia na tous kaneis katopin olous kai ton kokkora...anti na les eucharisto. Auto gia mena den einai politismos kai morfosi, einai tipiki alvaniki nootropia apla se ipsilotero skalopati. Kai se parakalo stamata na milas sinechos gia apopseis..oi anthellinikes staseis sou einai oi apopseis sou les...mi mou apto diladi o julius...kai ego sou leo... oi apopseis einai san tis kolotripides, o kathenas echei apo mia. Edo den iparchei apopsi, iparchei monacha sosto i lathos.
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Post by Kassandros on Mar 29, 2008 20:21:44 GMT -5
ilirdardani "I personally agree with Greece since Macedonians were Illyrian (mixed with greeks).." ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ilirdadani... what are you talking about? Macedonians and Epirots were Dorians. Since when Dorians..... became Albanians??? Illyrians were a sub-tribe of Dorians. If you're Illyrians and it is prooved some day.... then dude... like it or not... you're Greeks
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Post by Kassandros on Mar 29, 2008 20:27:34 GMT -5
Julius "Now its all about EGO" ---------------------------------- Julius... what are you talking about too?? What Ego?? If someone starts calling you Turk... instead of Albanian that you're... would you like it? That is going on with Macedonians. I'm Macedonian.... if I have to give 1 hour explanations everytime I say I'm Macedonian.. and I have to define that I'm not a Slav... its about Ego??
Most propably you have not understood that being Macedonian... is not a political game for me.... its my destiny.. my blood... my everything. Its not a game mate.... and I really dont care what the outcome will be in that "battle" between me and "them".... and I really dont care who those "them" will be. Its about life and death for me. I'm not a Slav... and nothing will make me one... regardless if the US agenda wants to..
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Post by slowdent on Mar 30, 2008 13:25:23 GMT -5
basil
in the case of fyrom, people went to sleep as Bulgarians, woke up as "Macedonians". The day of their transformation into Albanians is not far
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Post by julius on Mar 30, 2008 13:31:33 GMT -5
In table at the time is this proposition: Republic of Macedonia (Skopia) It is as I wrote it: Republic of Macedonia in parenthesis the word Skopia.
Now here is my question: Do u have anything to earn or are u satisfied from this proposition?
And..can u change those people minds if u change their name?
Kastorianos, Im opening a new topic in Alb forum in order for u and anyone else to understand my position regarding OUR two countries. Once I define and make my position clear, u are more than wellcome to judge me. PEACE and relax for the time being.
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Post by Kastorianos on Mar 30, 2008 13:50:39 GMT -5
Sto thema ton skopion den dechomai simwiwasmous katholou, yoko, hic, dioti eimai Makedonas kai me thigei otan len kapioi pos tha prepei i Ellada na kanei ipo...an echeis skopo diladi na grapseis ta idia opos edo, proetimasou na fas kraksimo.
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Post by ilirdardani on Mar 30, 2008 17:59:55 GMT -5
Can you at least try and write in english so the ones that don't understand Greek (like me) know what you're saying? We all know you can speak Greek, but the topic was started in english so at least try and keep it that way.
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Post by Kastorianos on Mar 30, 2008 18:06:32 GMT -5
No. If you want English only coming from me post your topics outside the Greek forums.
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Post by ilirdardani on Mar 30, 2008 19:04:26 GMT -5
The topic was started by a Greek here in the Greek forum in "English".
Anyways, do what you want, I'm just saying for the sake of the topic, be cooperative.
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Post by Niklianos on Mar 30, 2008 21:17:12 GMT -5
Greece needs to stick to the name issue until the end. Also once Bush is out of office and Obama wins the presidential election all hopes FYROM had will be thrown out the window. All Greece has to do is wait until the new president takes office. There is a reason why Nimitz is being pushed to have both parties come to an agreement THIS YEAR and more specifically before this years U.N and E.U accession talks.
Greece just has to hold out till the beginning of next year for things to really turn around and the propagandistic diaspora will finally be quited.
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Post by Kassandros on Mar 31, 2008 13:53:53 GMT -5
Julius "Now here is my question: Do u have anything to earn or are u satisfied from this proposition? ----------------------------------------------------------------- If that proposition is tottaly unucceptabe.... because according to this... my new country will be the "republic of Macedonia" ....since I'm Macedonian... or I have to denounce my Macedonian ID so as not to be perceived as Bulgarian. So... as you understand... not even one chance to pass. "And..can u change those people minds if u change their name?" --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- My great grandfather changed their minds during the Macedonian Struggle.. They were quiet for 100 years. Now as it seems we have to continue what our forefathers were doing from 6th Century and afterwards. In tottal... 7 times Macedonia was under Slavic besiege. They never succeeded! They will not succeed this time too... Now... they will not get it on papers. They have to fight for it us they did in Macedonian Struggle and all the previous times.... and again they will go back to lick their wounds. Thats the price for Macedonian land.. and they will pay for it... as far as they have in their minds that Americans will leave some day.... and then..... they have to give explanations as Chamerians had to give explanations after the departure of Nazis..
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Post by julius on Mar 31, 2008 14:30:42 GMT -5
they have to give explanations as Chamerians had to give explanations after the departure of Nazis.. ===================== Chams didnt even had the chance to give an explanation. But once u mentioned it, I have done some research recently: dimitrisdoctor.blogspot.com/2008/03/blog-post.htmlenjoy the reading.
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Post by kartadolofonos on Mar 31, 2008 15:18:44 GMT -5
"Tsamides these is a self-proclaimed Albanian Propaganda and it does not exist
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Post by Kassandros on Mar 31, 2008 16:17:32 GMT -5
"Chams didnt even had the chance to give an explanation" ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Many Greek collaborators of Nazis didnt have the chance too the first days of liberation. At least Chams understood what will happen and fled early and saved their lives...
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Post by julius on Mar 31, 2008 22:58:55 GMT -5
Let's say that u didnt enjoy the reading.
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Post by slowdent on Apr 1, 2008 1:04:01 GMT -5
julius
chams had a "warning" and those that collaborated with the nazis fled the country. Those that did not were executed. The arvanites that suffered along with the rest of the Greeks continued their life in a free country.
PS. The arvanites that collaborated with the nazis are still considered to be traitors. In Greece as in many other countries the punishment for a traitor is execution and confiscation of property. And that is what has happened to all the nazi collaborators
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