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Post by myzeqari on Mar 21, 2008 16:57:21 GMT -5
did you alabaniyans come before our after the slavs into the balkan? greeks are one of the oldest people in ancient greece epirus,macedonia etc... misguided arrogant <==Insult removed==> we predate you by millenia
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Post by Kanaris on Mar 21, 2008 17:14:36 GMT -5
Yeah ,it's true..Myz...you are correct...I can see it now..... Albanians are older than dirt...... where is your history.... ? You can only read what we wrote ..
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Post by myzeqari on Mar 21, 2008 18:35:51 GMT -5
what gives kanaris? touched a nerve there did i? what do u mean where is my history? <================================ ===================================== ===========Personal insults and off topic removed==========================>
to answer your question overwhelmed with arrogance, albos went into oblivion for quite a long time....its true, we were wedged in btw two mammoth civilizations that cast a big shadow, helens and romans, they had an undeniable influence which dwafred illyrianism and overshadowed our identity....there's no shame in admitting that, on the contrary, it helped mould us into who we are today, enriched us culturally, then over time albanians started to emerge from this lethargic stint, eventually culmininating with a single unified identity which took time, the point being is that we have always been where we are, we were simply overpowered by two formidable illuminated civilizations, greek and roman being the english of the former time, illyrian had no chance to thrive and develop, greek was the linguistic denominator, now if u don't get that then you do no want to get it.
how do you explain the fact that to this day we still name our kids with illyrian names such as Agron, teuta, taulant, enkeled, anisa, Genti, Bato, Ulpion, Ilir and many more, u can not break the phonics down by using neither greek nor Latin, they can only be studied through albanian.
lets say for argument's sake we did, by some inexplicable phenomenon ,which defies belief, appear in the balcans out of the blue, why would we assume this new identity, why would we just all the sudden "act" Illyrian, how did this whimsical transition occur, we came down from the caucases, the illyrians either moved away or simply vanished, the albos moved in without any record of this influx ever happening, even though this transpired at a time of great greek and latin historians who have no recollection of these hordes of people travelling under their noses making their way in the very heart of the balcans during which time was firmly under roman rule.....this sounds more plausable to all u greek visionaries?
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Post by kartadolofonos on Mar 21, 2008 18:50:54 GMT -5
>>>>>>albanian propaganda<<<<<<<<<<
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Post by Kanaris on Mar 21, 2008 18:56:54 GMT -5
Take a lesson from the Fyromians where yesterday they were Bulgarians and what nots... and today their schools and GOVT..are grooming them as Macedonians ..heirs to ancients Macedonians.... 50 years from now a Mace will be making the same comments like you... and it wouldn't even be his fault... since he won't know any better... 50 years ago there was absolutely no talk whatsoever about Illyrians and Albanians ..now it has become a household term... the two have bonded ....
Now why would I care if you are a descendant of Illyrians or not..I mean... seriously why would I even care... I mean who were really the Illyrians...to upset me? I couldn't care at all...but what I do care about is the truth...not the absolute truth for there is no such thing.... that 'quite' period or void in your continuum is puzzling me... and I don't think I am being an a$$hole Greek asking for some more info.
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Post by kartadolofonos on Mar 21, 2008 19:24:06 GMT -5
Albanians were Brainwashed in the communist era that they were Illyrians in a way that included Thracians,Greeks(Macedons,Epirotes & others) into one thing, Albanians.This happened to justify territorial claims against neigbouring states and it continues to this day creating problems in the Balkans.
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Post by Arxileas on Mar 21, 2008 19:42:19 GMT -5
I'll clean this topic laters from off topics, as it's about the Albanians....
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Post by PrijesDardanian on Mar 21, 2008 19:43:40 GMT -5
I'll clean this topic laters from off topics, as it's about the Albanians.... why you deletet thread about greeks? loser!
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Post by Arxileas on Mar 21, 2008 19:45:59 GMT -5
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Post by myzeqari on Mar 21, 2008 19:46:37 GMT -5
I'll clean this topic laters from off topics, as it's about the Albanians.... pussy!!
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Post by Kanaris on Mar 21, 2008 20:05:27 GMT -5
MYZ..I love you man..... you prove my point over and over again.... you got carte blanche.... I will never touch your posts.....
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Post by kartadolofonos on Mar 21, 2008 20:08:50 GMT -5
>>>>>>albanian, turkish and fyromanian<<<<<<< propaganda
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Post by myzeqari on Mar 22, 2008 6:18:33 GMT -5
i'm sure u do man, after all u are genetically predisposed, 'fraid can reciprocate those feelings though....yeah yes kanaris! take the moral highground on this one, that would really teach me a lesson, it would show me the error of my ways.
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Post by atlantis on Mar 22, 2008 11:10:21 GMT -5
(Virgil, Aen. VII.v.219-220)
....and Jupiter Latiaris, worshipped on the mountain Alban, did not represent the god of the third generation, the Hellenic Jove of the theomachy, who had usurped the throne of Saturn, but the great God of the Pelasgian nation, the divinity of light and atmospheric phenomena, to whom Saturn was assimilated, the historic representative of the tilling of the earth, of prosperity and abundance. The most famous cult of the great “Pelasgian god”, as known by history to this day, was at Dodona in the Epirus
Conclusion 4. That means that albans and epiriotes were the same people 5.Since Jupiterus was "the great god of the pelasgian nation" albans and epiriotes belong to pelasgians.
Strabo Geography p285 Book VII, Chapter 7
This oracle, according to Ephorus, was founded by the Pelasgi. And the Pelasgi are called the earliest of all peoples who have held dominion in Greece. And the poet speaks in this way: "O Lord Zeus, Dodonaean, Pelasgian";
Conclusion
6. The pelasgi(albans or epiriotes) are the earliest people who held dominions in greece.
But only in greece? What about Italy, Spain and France?...
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Post by Kanaris on Mar 22, 2008 11:33:35 GMT -5
Albans did not mean Albanians.... or Pelasgians....
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Post by atlantis on Mar 22, 2008 11:51:07 GMT -5
THE HISTORIE OF NATVRE, WRITTEN BY C. PLINIVS SECVNDVS.
Of old Latins, the Cascantenses, Erganicenses, Gracchuritanes, leonicenses, Ossigerdenses. Of confederates within the league, the Tarragenses. Tributaries besides, the Arcobricenses, Andologenses, Arocelitanes, Bursaonenses, Calaguritanes surnamed Fibularenses, complutenses, Carenses, Cincenses, Cortonenses, Dammanitanes, latrenses, Iturisenses, Ispalenses, Ilumberitanes, Lacetanes, Vibienses, Pompelonenses and Segienses. There resort to Carthage for law 62 severall States, besides the Islanders. Out of the Colonie Accitana, the Gemellenses, also Libisosona surnamed Foroaugustana: which two are endued with the franchises of Italie: out of the Colonie Salariensis, the Oppidanes of old Latium, Castulonenses, whom Cæsar calleth Venales. The Setabitanes, who are also Augustanes, and the Valerrienses. But of the Tributaries, of greatest name bee the Babanenses, the Bascianes, the Consaburenses, Dianenses, Egelestanes, Ilorcitani, Laminitani, Mentesani, the same that Oritani; and the Mentesani who otherwise are Bastuli: Oretanes who also are called Germani, the cheefe of the Celtiberians, the Segobrigenses, and the Toletanes of Carpetania, dwelling upon the river Tagus. Next to them the Viacienses and Virgilienses. To the assises or law court Cluniensis, the Varduli bring fourteene nations; of which I list to name none but the Albanenses.
Conclusion
7, All the latins derives from Albanenses
Ok . Do these albanenses have any other name? Lets see...
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Post by Kanaris on Mar 22, 2008 11:53:02 GMT -5
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Post by atlantis on Mar 22, 2008 11:58:09 GMT -5
;D ;D ;D DWhere is my real friend Niklianos ....................!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by Kanaris on Mar 22, 2008 12:01:31 GMT -5
You are more crazy than I thought.... I have a friend that believes Greeks are from Mars...you fall in the same group as him..... but at least you make me spill my coffee on my keyboard.... everytime I read your posts,got any more bedtime stories to tell me?
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Post by atlantis on Mar 22, 2008 12:32:57 GMT -5
;D ;D ;D It's not me ..... They are books history and sources? ?!!!!! I just don't like the speculation.... We are here before the God created the Moon.
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