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Post by slowdent on Jan 9, 2008 14:36:48 GMT -5
pretty good excuse. you could do better on this one. next time the truth will be more than enough: you have been humiliated......
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Post by albquietman on Jan 9, 2008 16:00:51 GMT -5
I can't get it when these greek guys take pride when some stupid website says that in the future the language of the computer will be greek...so what? Who gives a fuc.k if its greek or not? All we need is a computer that work...but I just wonder, if it really will be greek, do you greeks think that you are the inventors of the computer? I bet you think so... And Strategos is right, there is almost impossible to get into serious discussion with some of you greeks. You are able to destroy the most interesting topic...I almost forgot, to kick out the girls too...
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Post by grksdied4you on Jan 9, 2008 16:13:58 GMT -5
How many words from the English language are borrowed from Greek? How many words in the english language are borrowed from Latin? How many words in the english language are borrowed from somewhere else? This whole topic is pointless and there is no solving a question like this.
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Post by albanesehoney on Jan 9, 2008 16:14:38 GMT -5
lolol...Albquietman is right...lets get back to the topic...ah here's one... How many words from the English language are borrowed from Greek? How many words in the english language are borrowed from Latin? How many words in the english language are borrowed from somewhere else? This whole topic is pointless and there is no solving a question like this. Those latin words were, just like Tuetonic and English from the IE source of languages..get over your chauvinism already
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Post by grksdied4you on Jan 9, 2008 16:15:00 GMT -5
However I was not surprised that the Bulgarian racist strategos and the TourkoAlbanian AlbaneseHoney showed up to annoy.
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Post by albanesehoney on Jan 9, 2008 16:18:22 GMT -5
We do not annoy we simply show up your fallacies in syllogistic reasoning...
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Post by Arxileas on Jan 9, 2008 16:49:01 GMT -5
P.S. There are over 50,000 Greek words in the English language (even more in the French language and other Europian languages) with contains approx. 500,000 words, the Greek language contains 70,000,000 words including, derivatives, medical and scientific.....
ALPHABET & LANGUAGE
Hellenic Quest is the name of CNN's web page where Apple Computer Company's new program, designed to teach the ancient Greek language electronically, will soon be featured. Initially, instruction will be offered to learners whose native language is English or Spanish. The course will be accompanied by sound and graphics.
Apple executive, John Stalik, in announcing the launching of this new product, said: "We decided to promote the learning of the Greek language worldwide because our [global] community requires a tool which will encourage and enable creativity, will allow the infusion of new ideas, and will offer the ability to absorb concepts and knowledge that have been beyond the ability of most people to grasp till now. In other words, the manifestation of an ecumenical trend to return to the spirit and language of the ancient Greeks." In a related development, British entrepreneurs encourage their upper echelon management personnel to learn ancient Greek because of its unique importance in the management and organization of their operations. This was the conclusion reached by British specialists, who found that: "The Greek language imposes rationality and increases leadership skills. This is why it is such a valuable tool not only in the areas of communications and technology, but in organization and management."
The unique attributes of the ancient Greek language are what prompted the University of California at Irvine to codify its riches in its now renowned Thesaurus Linguae Graecae. The brainchild of Professor of Classics, Marianne MacDonald, and made possible by the Ibycus system of David W. Packard, the TLG contains 6,000,000 word-forms [lektikoi tipoi] of the Greek language, whereas English has a total of 490,000 words and 300,000 technical terms ... The TLG contains 8000 literary works,.. and the effort continues [to publish more works] with subsidies provided by the American government. [This while our "grekili" politicians have succeeded in the virtual elimination of the teaching of ancient Greek in the "Greek" school system. Ed.]
Responding to the question of why so much money should be spent upon the preservation and teaching of the ancient Greek language, distinguished professor Bruner [who worked on the project] replied: "It has to do with the language of our ancestors, and our ability to establish contact with them will enhance our culture."... The interest of scientists in the fields of Information Technology and Computer Science in the Greek language stems from the fact that: "The advanced technology of super computers will only accept the Greek language, as it is the only language capable of the comprehensive transmission of meaning." All other languages are considered to be merely "semiotic," whereas Greek is "noematic."
A noematic language is one in which the "sign," i.e., the word, has a protogenic relationship to the object, situation, or idea that it is expressing. A semiotic language is one in which the "sign," or word, signifies the object, situation, or idea because common usage and consent have determined that that is what it means. In conventional languages, a word has been designated to mean something; in the Greek language, there exists an aetiological relationship between the object and the word, something non-existent in all other languages.
The most advanced data systems, "Gnosis," and "Neuton," replicate the word-forms of the Greek language totally, and in perfect diagrammatical representations, something impossible to do with other languages. This is because Greek words have a mathematical structure that allows for their harmonious and geometrical depiction. Especially useful are such Greek combining word forms as "micro," "mega," "scope," etc. Computer scientists consider the Greek language "limitless." In other words, only in the Greek language are there no boundaries, and that's what makes it indispensable to the new disciplines of Information Technology, Communications, Electronic Cybernetics, and others.
In such sciences and disciplines, only the Greek language gives them the necessary noematic expressions they require, and without which it will be impossible for science to advance. Ibycus, Gnosis, Neuton: the most advanced data systems programs in the world; from Vladivostok to California, from the Artic to the South Pole, only the Greek language can meet all of their demanding requirements. Source. Davlos. October 2002. pp. 16197-8. Translation by staff. Emphasis added.
Phoenician Deception The evidence proving that the "Roman" alphabet we use today is, in fact, a Greek invention is overwhelming. In spite of this, however, the myth that this alphabet was invented by the Semitic Phoenicians is still being taught in the schools. Why?
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Post by slowdent on Jan 9, 2008 16:54:32 GMT -5
alb if you take this topic from the very beginning:
karta posted sth concerning the Greek language. then ephialtes decided to argue he argued with me he ran out of arguments and, as usual for people of this kind when the going gets tough, they get going in a spectacular way.
you are just a side effect trying to make an impression.....
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Post by albanesehoney on Jan 9, 2008 17:02:50 GMT -5
"Phoenician Deception The evidence proving that the "Roman" alphabet we use today is, in fact, a Greek invention is overwhelming." Get over yourselves, the find in Egypt shows how Caananites/Semites created symbolic letters to rep. sounds in Egyptian Hierogylphics...which were lent to Phoenicians for their eco. record keeping practices which was later handed down to Homer... This find is dated to 6th century BC...what the oldest record for your Greek letters? lolol
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Post by Arxileas on Jan 9, 2008 17:23:14 GMT -5
THE HELLENIC LANGUAGE The most important of the facts that prove the ancestry of the Hellenic language over the rest, are the following : The discovery of the linear writings A' and B' by A. EVANS at Crete in 1947 and the decryption of linear B' in 1952.. The discovery of the Phaestus Disk in pressed-type iconographic writing system. The discovery of a wooden plate inscribed with linear A' at the Dispilio of Kastoria which currently constitutes the most ancient sample of writing in the world. The Hellenic language is the most perfect human achievement in the linguistic field. And this, of course, is not incidental. Because 'the thought of a people is perhaps more directly expressed in the structure of language than in any other of his creations' (Kitto). This language, therefore, is the creation of people with superior thought and mental consistency. The qualities characterizing the language of the Hellenes, also characterize their being. Proof is that the same qualities (clarity, providence, power, expressional wealth etc) are found in their mental and artistic creations. The inevitable conclusion is that the Greek language wasn't brought by some semi-savage tribe from its 'northern mountains' or 'the northern plains'. (Note of "UHH" - as the supporters of the indoeuropean origin of the Greek language claim-). It existed ab initio and developed in the same place for thousands of years. Its an evolution product of millennia. And the language that the Achaeans spoke or wrote was the continuation of the Pelasgian language and writing. This language, initially (Protohellenic) became diversified with the spread of Aegeans (Protohellenes) in vast (and distant from the metropolis) regions. Thus arose the multiple Greek dialects and the relative to it languages of other nations (Iapetic homoglossy=Hellenic originated languages). As far as the writing is concerned, Sleeman and Evans proved that it was in use at the Aegean at least from 2,500 B.C. and the latest researches (inscriptions at Ithaca's Pilakata and Dispilio of Kastoria) raised it to the sixth millenium (5,250 BC).
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Post by greekslav on Jan 9, 2008 17:49:23 GMT -5
Linear B is an early dialect of Greek; linear A has nothing to do with Greek.
The Phaestus Disk remains undecyphered, but is almost certainly (since every effort to demonstrate that it is Greek has failed) not in Greek.
I have no clue as to the validity of the rest of your post. I could say that it is nonsense, but at this point, I am not qualified to say. In due time, my friend.
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Post by greekslav on Jan 9, 2008 17:55:08 GMT -5
We do not annoy we simply show up your fallacies in syllogistic reasoning... I second that. I can not and will not ever let some people disseminate false information. If I can prove it wrong, then I will. If it is truth, then there is no need.
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Post by Arxileas on Jan 9, 2008 18:28:58 GMT -5
SlavoBulgarian I'm sorry your right it's Bulgarian. One of many on the FYROMian propaganda machine's pay-role is Vasil Ilyov. Vasil Ilyov has claimed to have deciphered the markings (that according to him, represent the Bulgarian dialect spoken in FYROM..)on a wooden tablet that was found at the archeologic site of Dispilio at Kastoria and dated by the method of C14 at the 'Dimokritos' research center to 5260 BC. See here
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Post by greekslav on Jan 9, 2008 18:30:55 GMT -5
alb if you take this topic from the very beginning: karta posted sth concerning the Greek language. then ephialtes decided to argue he argued with me he ran out of arguments and, as usual for people of this kind when the going gets tough, they get going in a spectacular way. you are just a side effect trying to make an impression..... You are the one that has interpreted my post as "Argument" because you have no idea how to get involved in a decent discussion. It is a discussion that I got myself involved in. If you can not deal with different opinions that do not conform to a hard-wired, one way and rigid agenda, then butt out or just do not get involved. This is my last response to you. Go away, grow up, then come back when you are able to have a discussion with some of us.
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Post by greekslav on Jan 9, 2008 18:33:22 GMT -5
SlavoBulgarian I'm sorry your right it's Bulgarian. One of many on the FYROMian propaganda machine's pay-role is Vasil Ilyov. Vasil Ilyov has claimed to have deciphered the markings (that according to him, represent the Bulgarian dialect spoken in FYROM..)on a wooden tablet that was found at the archeologic site of Dispilio at Kastoria and dated by the method of C14 at the 'Dimokritos' research center to 5260 BC. See hereAnother one that just can not focus on the topic of this thread, that must go off on a tangent unrelated to this one.
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Post by greekslav on Jan 9, 2008 18:40:45 GMT -5
The history of the Greek Language begins, as far as the surviving texts are concerned, with the Mycenaean civilization at least as early as the thirteenth century BCE. The earliest texts are written in a script called Linear B. After the collapse of the Mycenaean civilization (around 1200 BCE) writing disappeared from Greece. In the late ninth to early eighth century BCE ascript based on the Phoenician syllabary was introduced, with unneeded consonant symbols being reused to represent the Greek vowels. The oldest surviving alphabetic inscriptions are written using this new system and date from the late eighth century BCE.
In the classical or hellenic period Greek existed in several major dialects, each of which has its own significance for the history of the language, but the most influential of these would ultimately prove to be the one spoken in Athens, called Attic. Well within the hellenic period, though, Attic and Ionic—the form of the language spoken mainly in the Greek city states directly across the Aegean Sea from Athens—exerted significant influence on each other as the preferred forms of the language for oratory and philosophical prose, eventually producing a dialect now called Attic-Ionic.
Click here to listen to a section from Plato's Republic using Classical Greek pitch accent. When the page loads, click on "Plato" in the lefthand column.
After the conquests of Alexander the Great (roughly 336-323 BCE) the language underwent far-reaching changes. Alexander carried the Attic-Ionic form of the language, along with Greek culture more generally, far into the Near East where it became the standard language of commerce and government, existing along side many local languages. Greek was adopted as a second language by the native people of these regions and was ultimately transformed into what has come to be called the Hellenistic Koiné or common Greek. This new form of the language remained essentially a further development of the Attic-Ionic synthesis.
The Hellenistic Koine brought significant changes in vocabulary, pronunciation, and grammar, and some of these changes have persisted into Modern Greek. The time of rapid change initiated by Alexander, though, lasted from about 300 BCE to 300 CE. The histories of Polybius, the discourses of Epictetus, and the Christian New Testament all date from this period and are good representatives of the Koine.
During the hellenistic period some purists reacted strongly against the Koine. They developed a movement called Atticism, which treated classical Attic as the only acceptable standard for prose writing. This movement would continue to influence Greek writing well into the modern era by constraining the production of literature in the normal idiom of actual daily speech.
Atticism dominated the production of literature for the entire Byzantine era from the establishment of Constantinople in 330 until 1453 when the city was defeated by the Turks. The development of actual daily speech during this period is extraordinarily difficult to reconstruct since the vernacular speech was deemed unfit for literary production. As Greece entered a protracted period of bondage to the Turks lasting four hundred years, its literary production had been drastically reduced by the demands of Atticism.
Crete managed to resist Turkish control until 1669. The poetry produced there in the local dialect near the end of this period would contribute significantly to the development of modern demotic literature as would the folk songs produced on the mainland.
When Greece finally won its freedom in 1830 a new kingdom was formed with Athens and the Peloponnese at its core. The dialects spoken in these regions became the basis for the standard spoken language of today's Greek society. This standard was not formed directly from the folk songs and poetry of earlier peasant society, however. A purified, katharevusa (kaqareuousa) form of Greek was devised. Efforts to impose it were heavily influenced by the old Atticism, though, and the attempt to produce a prose medium broad enough to cover both formal and colloquial situations has proved extraordinarily difficult. Even today the language question still presents problems, yet the continuing growth of educational institutions as well as journalism and the broadcast media have begun to affect a solution. The distance between demotic and katharevusa is narrowing as a way of speech arises which combines aspects of both.
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Post by greekslav on Jan 9, 2008 18:43:15 GMT -5
Ancient Greek
By the 16th cent. B.C., Greek-speaking people were established in Greece, probably having come as invaders from the north. In antiquity there were a number of dialects of the Greek language, the most important of which were Aeolic, Arcadian, Attic, Cyprian, Doric, and Ionic. Ancient Greek was prevalent in the Balkan peninsula, the Greek islands, W Asia Minor, S Italy, and Sicily. Because of the political and cultural importance of Athens in the classical period of Greek history, the Athenian dialect, Attic, became dominant. From Attic there developed an idiom called the koinç, which means "common" or "common to all the people" and which became a standard form of Ancient Greek.
After Alexander the Great the koinç developed into an international language that remained current in the central and E Mediterranean regions and in parts of Asia Minor and Africa for many centuries. Most of the New Testament was written in the koinç, which helped to gain a wide audience for Christianity. Byzantine Greek, based on the koinç, was the language of the Byzantine or East Roman Empire, which lasted from A.D. 395 until it was crushed by the Turks in 1453.
The earliest surviving texts in Ancient Greek are of the 15th cent. B.C. and are written in a script known as Linear B, which was deciphered in 1953 by Michael Ventris Ventris, Michael George Francis, 1922–56, English linguist. Ventris was a student of architecture, but he became interested in the untranslated Mycenaean scripts, particularly Linear B, which was found at Knossos, Pylos, and other sites.
Later documents, including inscriptions and literary works, are written in the Greek alphabet, which was derived from the script of the Phoenicians c.9th cent. B.C. A variety of the Greek alphabet is still used today for the Greek language.
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Post by greekslav on Jan 9, 2008 18:43:40 GMT -5
Modern Greek
Modern Greek stems directly from the Attic koinç and dates from the fall of the Byzantine Empire in 1453. The official language of Greece and one of the official languages of Cyprus, Modern Greek is spoken today by about 12 million people, chiefly in Greece and the Greek islands (10 million speakers), Turkey (600,000), Cyprus (550,000), and the United States (390,000). The Greek language has not changed much in its long history. The differences are largely in pronunciation and vocabulary, but they also include divergences in grammar. Modern Greek, for example, has absorbed a number of loan words from Turkish and Italian, although its vocabulary is essentially that of Ancient Greek.
The spoken form of Modern Greek, however, differed markedly from the written form until recently. The latter, referred to as katharevousa, was used by the government, the schools, and the mass media until the mid-1970s and is much more like Ancient Greek than the spoken form, which is called dçmotikç. Dçmotikç, the language of popular speech, has more foreign loan words and a simpler grammar than katharevousa. Although a literature in dçmotikç developed during the 20th cent., it was not until 1976 that it was accepted as the official written Greek language
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Post by Arxileas on Jan 9, 2008 18:54:09 GMT -5
SlavoBulgarian I'm sorry your right it's Bulgarian. One of many on the FYROMian propaganda machine's pay-role is Vasil Ilyov. Vasil Ilyov has claimed to have deciphered the markings (that according to him, represent the Bulgarian dialect spoken in FYROM..)on a wooden tablet that was found at the archeologic site of Dispilio at Kastoria and dated by the method of C14 at the 'Dimokritos' research center to 5260 BC. See here Another one that just can not focus on the topic of this thread, that must go off on a tangent unrelated to this one. LOL ! You mate attack the wrong nation, who needs education here, us or FYROM ? Teach your uneducated people bre. Tsk tsk Your agendas are clear and obvious. I'm not going any further with your nonsense Trolling. Ciao.
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Post by albanesehoney on Jan 9, 2008 19:02:04 GMT -5
As far as the writing is concerned, Sleeman and Evans proved that it was in use at the Aegean at least from 2,500 B.C. and the latest researches (inscriptions at Ithaca's Pilakata and Dispilio of Kastoria) raised it to the sixth millenium (5,250 BC)." --Ajax
We needs the Link, ajax? Otherwise all you post is tossed by those who understand the methods used in authentication.
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