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Post by Arxileas on Nov 4, 2007 8:43:13 GMT -5
To FYROM's lies and propagandas.
On November the 18th of this year 2007.
Rally Melbourne of 1994.
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Post by Arxileas on Nov 19, 2007 6:41:41 GMT -5
Επιτυχές το συλλαλητήριο για τη Μακεδονία. Με πρωτοβουλία της Ομοσπονδίας "Παμμακεδονικών Ενώσεων" Αυστραλίας πραγματοποιήθηκε την Κυριακή το συλλαλητήριο στη Μελβούρνη για τη Μακεδονία. Οι οργανωτές του συλλαλητηρίου θέλησαν να σταλεί σαφές μήνυμα προς κάθε κατεύθυνση ότι η ομογένεια δεν αποδέχεται συμβιβασμούς και σύνθετη ονομασία για το κράτος των Σκοπίων, και ότι θα αντιδράσει έντονα αν η κυβέρνηση της Αυστραλίας αναγνωρίσει τη χώρα αυτή με το συνταγματικό της όνομα. Πάντως, τόσο η κυβέρνηση της Αυστραλίας, όσο και η αντιπολίτευση, έχουν δεσμευτεί ότι δεν πρόκειται να αλλάξουν στάση στο σκοπιανό και θα εξακολουθήσουν να αναγνωρίζουν την ΠΓΔΜ ως FYROM. Η πορεία ξεκίνησε από κεντρικό πάρκο της Μελβούρνης και κατέληξε έξω από το πολιτειακό κοινοβούλιο όπου έγιναν ομιλίες και εγκρίθηκε ψήφισμα. www.skai.gr/master_story.php?id=66062
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Post by Arxileas on Nov 19, 2007 6:48:41 GMT -5
RALLY FOR OUR MACEDONIA - 18th November 2007 Melbourne
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Post by depletedreasons on Nov 19, 2007 8:15:55 GMT -5
Your Macedonia? I do not think that Macedonians agree.
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Post by Arxileas on Nov 19, 2007 8:26:35 GMT -5
Your Macedonia? I do not think that Macedonians agree. Hey man don't mess with my senses...FYROM is NO Macedonia. I'm Greek from the province of Macedonia Greece. The Yugoslavian Military Encyclopedia lists the ancestors of the present FYROM inhabitants as Slavs, people of the first Slavic tribes of Brsjaci, Dragudati, Smoljani, Rinhini, Velegiziti and others, that arrived in the area in the 6th century AD.But who are these people? The history of the Slav inhabitants of The FYROM goes hand to hand with the history of the Bulgarian people up to 1913, for they started together by fate and they were forced to separate by politics. The present day Slavic population of The FYROM has nothing in common with the ancient Macedonians. They are simply put Slavs.The southern Slavs used to be called Venedi, but the Byzantines changed their name when they migrated to the south part of the Balkans to Sklavini because the Slavs established alliances, or unions among themselves called �sklavinije� with a regular hierarchy of princes like Hatson, Akamir, Prvud as their high commanders. In the middle of the 5th century AD the southern Slavs crossed the Carpathian Mountains and settled in the former Roman provinces of Panonia (modern day Hungary) and Dacia (modern day Romania). It seems that the first Slavic and the Hunnic (Turkish) tribes of the Bulgars started attacking the Balkan areas together in the 5th century AD. In the beginning they robbed the Byzantine population, devastating the countryside and then returning to their bases. Lasting settlements of Slavs in Macedonia began at the end of sixth century. Up to the middle of the seventh century seven Slavic tribes, such as Draguviti, Brsjaci or Bereziti, Sagudati, Rinhini, Strumljani or Strimonci, Smoljani, Velegeziti united in tribal unions, thus turning into an important political and ethnic factor in the history of the Balkans. They are the ancestors of the present day Slavic population of the FYROM and originally they inhabited the territory from the river Nestos to Thessaly, and from Thessaloniki to the Mountains Shar, Rila, and Osogovska. Smoljani and one part of Draguviti settled on the Rodopi Mountain Range; Sagudati and the other part of Draguviti inhabited the area north of Thessaloniki; Strumljani / Strimonci preferred the lowlands of Strymon; whereas Rinhini went down to Chalkidiki and some of them even to Mt. Athos. On the other hand Brsjaci / Bereziti along with the Velegeziti settled the areas of Ohrid and Prespa. There were a few other tribes of Timocani, Abodrini, and Moravjani, which inhabited the south part of the present day Serbia and later they were incorporated to the Serbia Nation. The Timocani lived in the lowlands of the river Timok, the Abodrini inhabited the west lowlands of Timok and the Moravijani populated the area of the river Morava in the heart of present day Serbia, called Sumadija. As time passed the trapped Thraco-ilirian population was either pushed to the mountain regions, or at a later time assimilated by the Slavs. Because of their strong culture and population the Greeks could not be assimilated, but stayed intact. So that areas with strong Greek presence remained Greek. Thus even if Slavic and Bulgarian elements were living in Macedonia and Thrace the main bulk of the populace was Greek. The Illyrian lands that form today's Albania and its neighboring areas were out of the Slavic and Bulgarian reach. So, these are the Slav inhabitants of the FYROM. What is interesting about the whole matter is that very few of them know their own history and even those who know it don�t want to say anything afraid for their safety or the stigma of being a �traitor.� What is more interesting is the fact that notable citizens of The FYROM, like the following, have acknowledged publicly that they are descendants of the first Slavic tribes. February 26, 1992: The FYROM's President Kirov Gligorov, at an interview by the Foreign Information Service daily report, Eastern Europe, stated: "We are Slavs, who came to the region in the sixth century. We are not descendants of the ancient Macedonians. January 22, 1999: The FYROM's Ambassador in Washington D.C., Mrs. Ljubica Acevska, gave a speech on the present situation in the Balkans, she stated: "We do not claim to be descendants of Alexander the Great. We are Slavs and we speak a Slavic language. Greece is The FYROM's second largest trading partner and its number one "investor." February 24, 1999: The FYROM.'s Ambassador to Canada, Gyordan Veselinov, in an interview with the "Ottawa Citizen", he admitted: "We are not related to the northern Greeks who produced leaders like Philip and Alexander the Great. We are Slavs and our language is closely related to Bulgarian. There is some confusion about our identity." December 29, 2001: Even recently, in an interview to Utrinski Vesnik of Skopje, the Foreign Minister of The FYROM Slobodan Casule said that he mentioned to the Foreign Minister of Bulgaria Solomon Pasi that they �belong to the same Slav people.� And yet nobody neither internally nor externally has asked �then what�s with the name Macedonia?� The only ones who believe they are descendants of the ancient Macedonians, are the ones who received their high degree of education from the "Titoic School of History" under the auspices of communist Yugoslavia. I'm already Greek don't make me anymore Greek then already am by messing with my senses lad.
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Post by depletedreasons on Nov 19, 2007 8:44:43 GMT -5
Macedonia is not some province of Greece, and the Rum claims on Macedonia are not convincing at all.
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Post by Kastorianos on Nov 19, 2007 9:36:08 GMT -5
What are you talking about Tourkala? Have you ever read the history of ancient Makedonia? The people of fyrom are slavs they have no right to claim the name Makedonia...be at least honest and say you are supporting fyromians because this whole thing is an antigreek campaign... boudala...
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Post by depletedreasons on Nov 19, 2007 9:52:36 GMT -5
What are you talking about Tourkala? Have you ever read the history of ancient Makedonia? The people of fyrom are slavs they have no right to claim the name Makedonia...be at least honest and say you are supporting fyromians because this whole thing is an antigreek campaign... boudala... Yeah, I read, but not at some Orthodox Rum school. That is nothing to do with being pro-Greek or anti-Greek. It is rather related to respecting the Macedonians or disrespecting them.
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Post by ahristos on Nov 19, 2007 13:32:41 GMT -5
MONGOLIAN SPIRIT ORE TATAROMONGOLIAN I WISH THAT KURDS MAKE U KOFTE KOFTO NOW GAVUR
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Post by Kastorianos on Nov 19, 2007 18:54:21 GMT -5
You are playing the stupid...if you would respect other people...you would also support Kurdistans independence....what? This independence would go at the expense of your country? Well what do you think at whose expense does it go when fyrom is called Makedonia? You cant play the philanthropist, if you set subjective limits...
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Post by Novi Pazar on Nov 19, 2007 19:47:05 GMT -5
I had a couple of friends who went to the rally here in Melbourne, l was dissapointed that the media didn't cover it?
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Kanaris
Amicus
This just in>>>> Nobody gives a crap!
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Post by Kanaris on Nov 19, 2007 22:57:29 GMT -5
Guys..Janni..is just kicking some dust around.... it makes the thread more interesting..
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Post by depletedreasons on Nov 20, 2007 1:17:19 GMT -5
You are playing the stupid...if you would respect other people...you would also support Kurdistans independence....what? This independence would go at the expense of your country? Well what do you think at whose expense does it go when fyrom is called Makedonia? You cant play the philanthropist, if you set subjective limits... Kurds do not want an independent state in Turkey. They want federation and privileges like they used to have in the Ottoman times. Turkey does not claim some lands in Iraq as the historical territories of Turkey either.
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Post by depletedreasons on Nov 20, 2007 1:26:40 GMT -5
MONGOLIAN SPIRIT ORE TATAROMONGOLIAN I WISH THAT KURDS MAKE U KOFTE KOFTO NOW GAVUR Hamalis Afendis, You talk like a "Kariola".
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Post by depletedreasons on Nov 20, 2007 4:20:58 GMT -5
Guys..Janni..is just kicking some dust around.... it makes the thread more interesting.. Here is the Greek spirit.
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Post by Arxileas on Nov 20, 2007 4:31:26 GMT -5
I had a couple of friends who went to the rally here in Melbourne, l was dissapointed that the media didn't cover it? True. I believe the Australain media didn't cover both ours and the FYROmians rally as not to incite racial hatred But the Skopjians did however pay approx $9,000 dollars per advertisement to have two adverts advertised in the Sydney Herald sun and the Age news papers. Money is the go now days
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Post by Arxileas on Nov 20, 2007 4:33:26 GMT -5
Guys..Janni..is just kicking some dust around.... it makes the thread more interesting.. I know. He's a miamou "Monkey" "joking" ;D Shoo, shoo
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Post by depletedreasons on Nov 20, 2007 6:20:04 GMT -5
I only try to enjoy my time in this Greek "Panigyri", that is all. ;D
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Post by Kastorianos on Nov 20, 2007 8:07:34 GMT -5
lol what a bull$hit...go tell that your granny...
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Post by depletedreasons on Nov 20, 2007 8:22:39 GMT -5
lol what a bull$hit...go tell that your granny... Believe in whatever you wish.
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