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Post by worldcit on Mar 25, 2009 17:26:54 GMT -5
www.balkanweb.com/gazetav5/artikull.php?id=55923Based on this article of GAZETA SHQIPTARE there are 36 000 Greeks living in Albania wich makes 1.17% of population. In Gjiroksater 30.1% is greek minority and in Saranda and Delvina 41.6%. In the 1989 census there were less than 60 000 greeks. Taking in accunt the immigration after 1991 I am suprised how there are still 36 000 left while 1/3 of total population of Albania has moved out. Looks like ethnic Greek minority is more patriotic than Albanians.
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Post by Alb_Korcar on Mar 26, 2009 10:54:37 GMT -5
Lol u said the same thing I did, just in different words. There's alraedy another topic about this here apo se lexove? po ti ke ndonje gjysh ose gjyse Grek? Haha
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Post by Kassandros on Mar 26, 2009 16:28:22 GMT -5
I see in you forum's first page at least 3-4 posts for Greece and all of them seem to be hostile. You cannot find in the Greek forum so many forum for Turkey even if Turkey occupies Cyrpous and clearly and officieal wants some more Aegean islands. All that tends to be very weird given the fact that Greece is the only country in Balkans that says that "borders should not change under any conditions"... means no more wars. Guys really now... what is all these about the Greek minority? Why that troubles you so much? There are some native people there and they have Greek origins. So what? Is there any chance Greece would start a war to occupy Albania because of this minority? We all know that will never happen. That didnt happen when we could do it in one night.... what are the chances do it now or in the future inside a unite Europe under EU umbrella? You have that "passion" against the Greek minority like it is something extremely dangerous for your... lives! Dont you believe it is time to get mature and get real? My personal belief is that you pay so much attention to this issue due to your state of mind that still is working in previous times.. I believe your state of mind is on incidents like the fact Turkey occupied Cyprous due to a Turkish minority, Kossovo started a war with Serbia due to an Albanian minority.... and you think this is the case. Guys... Greece is not Turkey and Greece was never a former commounist country like Yougoslavia and Albania. We're have a tottal different mindset with you or your parents stories and way of thinking. Greece is an EU member and the first think interests Greeks is... business and wealth... not wars. Do you believe Greeks care to go and fight in Korytsa just to take one more mountain and one more beach? The only thing I'm interested is to pay my home loan the next 25 years! War is not in my financial plans  Its time for you to grow up and start having a 21st century European state of mind. Hotza is over. America's occupation will be over. Just start thinking and acting like Europeans and forget all that minority=war thing.... Minorities in European countries and in 21st century are bridges... not reasons for war. Its time for you to do the big step and move forward.. PS.2 A sign in three languages (Albanian-English-Greek) in a minority place is not sign of a coming war.... nor a sign that Greeks want to kill you all and eat your fleshes. lol lol . Wake up dudes... and stop humiliating Balkans with your attitude. |
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Post by leshte on Mar 26, 2009 18:06:27 GMT -5
Basilmacedon, as long as you have people like Karta or Arxileas we will always be on the lookout. These people have still dreams of Megali ideas and $hit like that. Thats the reason we give them these reality checks. If you listen to these idiots they believe there's 400 000 Greeks in Albania. Their propaganda is all about fabricating numbers so that they could brainwash Greeks like you, who don't believe their $hit, into a useless fight. There's many people in Greece and Greek in the diaspora that buy $hit that comes out of their mouth.
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Post by donnie on Mar 26, 2009 20:44:45 GMT -5
Funny, coz I heard you were a douche who enjoys engaging in svcking d!cks.
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Post by monsterofsouli on Mar 26, 2009 21:06:16 GMT -5
Funny, coz I heard you were a douche who enjoys engaging in svcking d!cks. Really is that what you heard? Anyways it was a serious question? If you want to talk about sucking dicks that's your problem. THREE SUGGESTIONS FOR YOU. 1.ICE BLOCK 2.MOTOR OIL 3.ROPE |
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Post by monsterofsouli on Mar 26, 2009 22:58:09 GMT -5
Funny because I heard you take it in the ass and like it.
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Post by worldcit on Mar 27, 2009 0:18:14 GMT -5
I see in you forum's first page at least 3-4 posts for Greece and all of them seem to be hostile. You cannot find in the Greek forum so many forum for Turkey even if Turkey occupies Cyrpous and clearly and officieal wants some more Aegean islands. All that tends to be very weird given the fact that Greece is the only country in Balkans that says that "borders should not change under any conditions"... means no more wars. Guys really now... what is all these about the Greek minority? Why that troubles you so much? There are some native people there and they have Greek origins. So what? Is there any chance Greece would start a war to occupy Albania because of this minority? We all know that will never happen. That didnt happen when we could do it in one night.... what are the chances do it now or in the future inside a unite Europe under EU umbrella? You have that "passion" against the Greek minority like it is something extremely dangerous for your... lives! Dont you believe it is time to get mature and get real? My personal belief is that you pay so much attention to this issue due to your state of mind that still is working in previous times.. I believe your state of mind is on incidents like the fact Turkey occupied Cyprous due to a Turkish minority, Kossovo started a war with Serbia due to an Albanian minority.... and you think this is the case. Guys... Greece is not Turkey and Greece was never a former commounist country like Yougoslavia and Albania. We're have a tottal different mindset with you or your parents stories and way of thinking. Greece is an EU member and the first think interests Greeks is... business and wealth... not wars. Do you believe Greeks care to go and fight in Korytsa just to take one more mountain and one more beach? The only thing I'm interested is to pay my home loan the next 25 years! War is not in my financial plans Its time for you to grow up and start having a 21st century European state of mind. Hotza is over. America's occupation will be over. Just start thinking and acting like Europeans and forget all that minority=war thing.... Minorities in European countries and in 21st century are bridges... not reasons for war. Its time for you to do the big step and move forward.. PS.2 A sign in three languages (Albanian-English-Greek) in a minority place is not sign of a coming war.... nor a sign that Greeks want to kill you all and eat your fleshes. lol lol . Wake up dudes... and stop humiliating Balkans with your attitude. Where do you see hostility in my post. I didn't say any thing against greeks or greek minority in Albania. I just brought some info about greek minority. In what post of mine I have expressed fear from Greece or I have compared Greece with Turkey or Serbia. It is a fact that there are many in Greece who still dream for Vorio Epir but that doesn't bother me. Maybe I should have written that there are 400 000 greeks in Albania then you could have called me friendly towards greeks. I lived in Albania for more than three decades, I travelled all over the country, ( that's because of my job), I worked 6 months in Saranda, and Gjirokaster, I lived most of my life in Albania in the city of Korce..and I have first hand knowledge of ethnic composition of South of Albania and when I read posts of some greeks in this forum about 400 000 greeks in Albania I am not bothered, I don't call them hostile I just call them missinformed who need a reality check. On the other hand you call me hostile in my posts. Isn't that a little overreaction? Still I know to differetiate you from many greeks in this forum or other that I have contacted in real situation. You cool, mature and really westernized. I wish there more greeks like you but my friend there is no hostility in my post. I agree with the figurs because I have been there .. of course I did't held any census myself but the number sounds pretty much close to the reality. And that's not hostility but facts. |
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Post by worldcit on Mar 27, 2009 0:22:00 GMT -5
Lol u said the same thing I did, just in different words. There's alraedy another topic about this here apo se lexove? po ti ke ndonje gjysh ose gjyse Grek? Haha Jo ...s'e kam lexuar ja do kotrolloj ...Une s'kam ndonje gjysh apo gjyshe grek ..kam ca te aferm "greke" qe marrin 200 Euro ne muaj...dhe asnjehere s'kane votuar per PBDNJ...lol...milk the cow thone ata..pune e tyre |
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Post by L0gjICK on Mar 27, 2009 10:26:37 GMT -5
Between the Greek's claim of 400,000, the Macedonian's claims of 200,000 and 30,000 that are claimed by the Serbs. As an Albanian you think to yourself:
Where are exactly are they hiding in Albania?
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Post by leshte on Mar 27, 2009 14:34:53 GMT -5
Don't forget the Bulgarians claim about 300 000 and the Romanian about 200 000. Once you add all these numbers up that our neighbors claim then there are no Albanians in Albania. I mean wtf, at least they could talk to each other and make their lies more believable, and fabricate numbers that at least don't make them look like idiots.
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Post by Arxileas on Mar 28, 2009 18:59:04 GMT -5
Basilmacedon, as long as you have people like Karta or Arxileas we will always be on the lookout. These people have still dreams of Megali ideas and $hit like that. Thats the reason we give them these reality checks. If you listen to these idiots they believe there's 400 000 Greeks in Albania. Their propaganda is all about fabricating numbers so that they could brainwash Greeks like you, who don't believe their $hit, into a useless fight. There's many people in Greece and Greek in the diaspora that buy $hit that comes out of their mouth. I did not think of Albanian nationalism saw me and Karta as a danger to their causes. I mean what is so harming to ones nation by promoting the "truth" Greek Epirotes culture and history inside their Ancient home lands  Or even their plight they are in ! Truth sends you free, isn't that what you all want That’s the problem, you people ignore the fact your nation has made many bad decisions in the past. Look within rather then blame others for your mistakes. . |
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Post by leshte on Mar 29, 2009 0:57:29 GMT -5
That's the problem. Everything you say are lies. I lived there, I have relatives who live there. I visit every year. I know what it is like. People like basil do not live there, they've never believe there so they tend to believe to the lies of their idiotic co-nationals who are itching for a useless fight. And I mean you when I refer to co-nationals.
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Post by Arxileas on Mar 29, 2009 1:43:57 GMT -5
^ Translation:
I wish I could sit at the cool kids table.
There's a difference between standing up for your beliefs and wilding. You and I both know that you people answer is always personal attacks when you get backed into a rhetorical corner.
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Post by leshte on Mar 29, 2009 16:36:51 GMT -5
Sure sure. I'm going there in a month or two. Let me know if you're interested to visit some of the places you say the Greeks are being oppressed. I'll be happy to show you around. O if you wanna see how we really oppress the Greeks I'll also be happy to show you around our government and the parliament. I have family friends in the government. They'll tell you where the greek minority works in the government. I also plant to visit Greece. I wouldnt mind if you showed me around how Albanians are being treated and where in the government Albanians and your other minorities work. O I forgot Greece is the only country on earth that has no minorities.
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Post by libofshe on Mar 31, 2009 12:57:10 GMT -5
O I forgot Greece is the only country on earth that has no minorities.[/b]
is that true? do they officially recognise no minorites? see, that's the kind of idiotic stubborness that's going to f*** their country up, they are beyond a joke, sometimes i think the macedonians have a more respectable state than greeks, i realy do.
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Post by L0gjICK on Apr 3, 2009 10:15:25 GMT -5
O I forgot Greece is the only country on earth that has no minorities. [/b] is that true? do they officially recognise no minorites? see, that's the kind of idiotic stubborness that's going to f*** their country up, they are beyond a joke, sometimes i think the macedonians have a more respectable state than greeks, i realy do.[/quote] I think the only minorities they recognize are Muslims due to some treaty they signed Turkey. Maybe a Greek can provide further information….. |
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Post by Patrinos on Apr 3, 2009 10:30:45 GMT -5
In Greece there are recognised minorites of Muslims, Armenians and Jews. The Muslim minority is called like this because firstly thats how Greece and Kemal agreed back in '23 in Laussane, and secondly if it is called "Turkish" minority its like we consider Pomaks and Tourkogypsies as Turks, and they don't want it for themselves...
What other minorites do you mean? Arvanites and Vlachs? ;D
Arvanites and Vlachs will be the first to react strongly to any attempt to see them as minority, as they always do.
In Greece there are more posibilites to be recognised a minority of Panathinaikos' funs ;D than an ...arvanitiki minority.
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Post by chalkedon on Apr 3, 2009 11:59:34 GMT -5
Basilmacedon, as long as you have people like Karta or Arxileas we will always be on the lookout. These people have still dreams of Megali ideas and $hit like that. Thats the reason we give them these reality checks. If you listen to these idiots they believe there's 400 000 Greeks in Albania. Their propaganda is all about fabricating numbers so that they could brainwash Greeks like you, who don't believe their $hit, into a useless fight. There's many people in Greece and Greek in the diaspora that buy $hit that comes out of their mouth. karta and arxileas posts the hellenic nature of epirus and the region. And like basil mentioned, we could of retaken N. Epirus when we kicked the crap out of mussolini. Im sure nobody would of had a problem with it to...but noooo, Greece UNLIKE Turkey reverted back to our " border " and instead made an agreement for an automous region of N. Epirus instead. Where..if you ask me was never really full enforced or taken advantage of by Greece . When was the last time Greece ever made an issue out of it anyway? In my opinion, this was a mistake. We should of stayed where we were, something your ally Turkey does to this day in Cyprus. Instead of thanking us for liberating your asses from fascists and providing you a country w/ N. Epirus in it...you bust our balls. This is directed toward the turkoalbanians...not to every albo in this forum. |
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Post by Kassandros on Apr 3, 2009 13:39:04 GMT -5
I believe there are overexagerations from both sides..... but unfortunately these exagerations are easier to find ground in less developed societies than in more forwarded ones. For example, it is easier to manipulate an Albanian than a Greek. Albanians had hard time for many years. They were isolated and even more there were big isolated places inside Albania. Their education was based only! from what it was given to them by one source. Hotza. Suddenly, Albanians find themselves in western world, with 1 million sources.. , they dont know yet how to separate these sources to good or bad ones... and additionaly.. they're poor with a peasant mentality in a big city. Its easy to grap these people and tell them whatever you want in order to boost their only pride.. the only thing left on them and its for free... national consiousness. Its exaclty like Greece when it was formed as an official state. Greeks on the other hand... are tired. Tired from wars, tired from hostility with Turkey, tired from loans and mortrages... tired from the continous efforts to reach the rich western countries wealth.. tired to differentiate between the 1 million sources of internet... generally speaking... tired, dry and indifferent.. and you cannot manipulate these tired people any more... Greeks are not an easy target any more. Now, about Karta and Arhileas specifically, I dont believe they form any kind of "danger" for Albania. They just REact when somebody from the above manipulated group of Albanians which we mentioned before. I doubt that Karta or Arhileas would ever thing of "attacking" any place in Albania, even if that place had a 100% Greek population majority. They just REact to Turkalbanian attitude of previous centuries. Throuthout time, many Albanians in these forums were clearly civilized and educated people. I dont remember Karta or Arhilea "fighting" with them.. I believe there are exagerations. Sometimes somebody says something more.. then somebody answers the same way ... etc etc etc. What I want to say is that usually Greeks, who I mentioned before are the dry tired ones... , dont start it. Karta is tired (ok.. not very tired ). Arhileas is tired. I am tired. do you believe we have the mood to fight verbally with a young manipulated Albanian teenager that now discovers western world? No... and that different mood creates problems. In other words and to state it simply, Karta and Arhileas just love their place like I do. I doubt they want any Albanian place. If you attack them... they will attack back. Thats not nationalism... and they dont seem like guys who attack first. They dont seem to have that primitive instinct that I saw in many manipulated former peaseant, former poor, former commounist party members, and former Turkalbanians of this forum. Moreover, they're more discussible with tired and dry Albanians too.. Its like what I always believe, human nature of Balkanians is gentle.... but manipulation creates all their problems. |
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Or even their plight they are in ! 