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Post by worldcit on Apr 8, 2009 22:40:19 GMT -5
Everyone is entiteled to have his opinion about Enver Hoxha.....I lived in Albania while he was still ruling....I know what he was...without saing he was good or bad, I am presenting some facts...During his rule Albanians ( and everyone living in Alb) were extremly poor, isolated, opressed (no freedom of speach, assembly, no freedom of movement), abused, mistreated. As for greek schools..he allowed them only in minority areas in Dropull. Today we have greek schools in Himara Korce etc.
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Post by Alb_Korcar on Apr 9, 2009 18:31:37 GMT -5
Everyone is entiteled to have his opinion about Enver Hoxha.....I lived in Albania while he was still ruling....I know what he was...without saing he was good or bad, I am presenting some facts...During his rule Albanians ( and everyone living in Alb) were extremly poor, isolated, opressed (no freedom of speach, assembly, no freedom of movement), abused, mistreated. As for greek schools..he allowed them only in minority areas in Dropull. Today we have greek schools in Himara Korce etc. u r right in some ways Enveri was a total cun.t but its fun to praise him because some of them are so scared of xhaxhi they could shit bricks Lol |
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Post by Alb_Korcar on Apr 9, 2009 18:56:00 GMT -5
je ne metro ti o? whoever told all this lied to u...he even treated Chams like s**t and a lot of discrimination taht happend against Chams was because everybody thought theyh were Greek...so why the f**k would a dictator like him care about the greek minority so much?? unless youre suggesting he had some type of weird affection for Greeks because he was a Bektashi tosk from Gjirokaster.....that was the biggest load of crap i've evr read. he was one of teh greatest leaders Albania ever had....no one fuked with him...not like these losers we have today....the likes of Sali Berisha and co....theyre all pupets...Eneveri was teh puppet master...hahahahah Ato ishin fjalet e tua, jo te miat. Nuk them se Enveri kishte ndonje fetishizem per grekerit ... por eshte e qarte se grekerit e gezonin te drejten per shkollim ne gjuhen greke, ndersa shqiptaret ne Greqi nuk guxonin as te flisnin ne gjuhen shqipe. Ne kete pike, Enver Hoxha ishte po aq fodull sa paraardhesit e tij si Ali Pashai apo Kurt Pashai i Beratit, qe mbeshteten ndertimin dhe hapjen e shkollave greke ne Shqiperine Jugore dhe ne Cameri per hir te miqesise se tyre me "Shen" Kozmain! Edhe nje here po te pyes, eshte apo nuk eshte e vertet qe Xhaxhi Enver ua lejoi minoritareve te shkollohen ne gjuhen greke? per ke Ali Pasha e ke fjalen per Ali Pashe Tepelenen? shiko po te mendojne te tere si ty dhe Skenderbeu nuk qe aq heroik se dhe ai kish te metat e tija....Ali Pashe Tepelena ishte armik i Shqiptareve Kaur se e shkateroi komplet Voskopojen ti thua hapi shkolla Greke ne jug LOL...ik o shko peshohu. |
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Post by donnie on Apr 10, 2009 6:37:46 GMT -5
Jo, kam fjalen per Ali Pasha Gjirokastren qe sundoi .... of course I mean Ali Pasha i Tepelenes!
Te metat e tij nuk ishin ne kundershtim me interesat e pergjithshme kombetare, pra liria dhe pavaresia nga zgjedha turke. Ndersa Ali Pashai hapte shkolla dhe miqesohej me tipa si Kozmai qe donte ta helenizonte Jugun.
Voskopoja nuk ishte thjesht shqiptare, por me shume strehe vllehesh. Neqoftese ai kishte luftuar per nje shtet shqiptar, dhe po ta kishte arritur kete, atij do t'i faleshin gabimet e bera ne Voskopoje apo Sul te Camerise. Por ai planifikonte zyrtarizimin e greqishtes si gjuhe te pare te mbreterise se tij,dhe financonte hapjen e shkollave greke ne jug, kjo e beri ate armik te shqiptareve "kaur" dhe atyre mysliman, e jo djegia e nje foleje vllehesh ...
E njejta gje me ate psikopatin Enver qe po e adhuron. Neqoftese ishte aq "hardcore", pse mos tja kthente Greqise me te njejten monedhe, duke ndaluar shkollat greke edhe ne Dropull ... edhe ashtu sot minoritaret dhe Greqia nuk jane mirenjohes qe ne diktaturen me te eger ne Evrope, minoritareve grek u lejohej edukimi ne gjuhen amtare. Perkundrazi ankohen per keqtrajtim dhe diskriminim .... nje keqtrajtim dhe diskriminim qe s'krahasohej me ate cfare na beri greku ne Cameri dhe me gjetke.
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Post by Alb_Korcar on Apr 10, 2009 8:35:32 GMT -5
Jo, kam fjalen per Ali Pasha Gjirokastren qe sundoi .... of course I mean Ali Pasha i Tepelenes! Te metat e tij nuk ishin ne kundershtim me interesat e pergjithshme kombetare, pra liria dhe pavaresia nga zgjedha turke. Ndersa Ali Pashai hapte shkolla dhe miqesohej me tipa si Kozmai qe donte ta helenizonte Jugun. Voskopoja nuk ishte thjesht shqiptare, por me shume strehe vllehesh. Neqoftese ai kishte luftuar per nje shtet shqiptar, dhe po ta kishte arritur kete, atij do t'i faleshin gabimet e bera ne Voskopoje apo Sul te Camerise. Por ai planifikonte zyrtarizimin e greqishtes si gjuhe te pare te mbreterise se tij,dhe financonte hapjen e shkollave greke ne jug, kjo e beri ate armik te shqiptareve "kaur" dhe atyre mysliman, e jo djegia e nje foleje vllehesh ... E njejta gje me ate psikopatin Enver qe po e adhuron. Neqoftese ishte aq "hardcore", pse mos tja kthente Greqise me te njejten monedhe, duke ndaluar shkollat greke edhe ne Dropull ... edhe ashtu sot minoritaret dhe Greqia nuk jane mirenjohes qe ne diktaturen me te eger ne Evrope, minoritareve grek u lejohej edukimi ne gjuhen amtare. Perkundrazi ankohen per keqtrajtim dhe diskriminim .... nje keqtrajtim dhe diskriminim qe s'krahasohej me ate cfare na beri greku ne Cameri dhe me gjetke. where are these amazing Greek schools that Ali Pashe Tepelena built? y dont u name them/towns/cities he built them in insted of just sayieng "he built Greek schools"...... its pretty fucking ob ious taht Voskopoja was a vlach cetner (or "fole" as u put it) b ut it was more then that it was an Orthodox Christian center....the 2nd largest after Constantinople...by burning it to the ground made Ali Pashe Tepelena an enemy of all Orthodox Christians including Albanians....that s like if someone burned the vatican and expecting only Italians to be angry about it.... i dont have to like eithe r Enveri or Ali Pasha to sa y taht they were both g reat leaders. t hey were politicians so of coruse tehy were selfish too and had their own interest but they both did waht for exampel someone like Ahmet Zogu could no t do: 1) t hey did not run away like chickens and let invaders take over becaues Ali Pasha was killed like a true man, his head was cut off head in Instanbul body in Ionnina LoL like the song says, and Enveri was too much of a badass to let an yone kill him. 2) they were leaders of Albanian nations/provinces...som ething that had never been done before, not even by Skenderbeu. lets look at our history more objectively shall we? |
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Post by ilirdardani on Apr 10, 2009 8:36:54 GMT -5
Everyone is entiteled to have his opinion about Enver Hoxha.....I lived in Albania while he was still ruling....I know what he was...without saing he was good or bad, I am presenting some facts...During his rule Albanians ( and everyone living in Alb) were extremly poor, isolated, opressed (no freedom of speach, assembly, no freedom of movement), abused, mistreated. As for greek schools..he allowed them only in minority areas in Dropull. Today we have greek schools in Himara Korce etc. u r right in some ways Enveri was a total cun.t but its fun to praise him because some of them are so scared of xhaxhi they could s**t bricks Lol lol mainly mysia who praises him 24/7. |
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Post by PARIS DIO_MYSUS! on Apr 10, 2009 12:46:33 GMT -5
As for greek schools..he allowed them only in minority areas in Dropull. Enver Hoxha allowed just few greek dance schools only in Dropull and that was great Video, We need more greek schools like that to be open all over in Albania. We are Poli Kalla Komshia OPA...!!!  |
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Post by ngadhnjyesi on Apr 10, 2009 15:34:34 GMT -5
C'merreni kot me Dropullitet e shkrete ata jane njerez te bute, u qi motren dhe ata te thone efkaristo poli. Xhaxhi i beri minoritaret te thurnin kenge per te. Ce do qe vrau Mehmet Shehun se ai do e skuqte ne hell Janullatosin me gjithe saraje e Vasil Bollano. Edhe Sala u tregua burre ne fillim kur i futi ne burg nja 4 bythqira nga Omonia po masnej filloi t'jua merrte edhe ai ne goje Grekerve.
Nejse punet duken mire sot, rreziku Grek ka rene, pavaresisht se njerezit behen histerike per ca kurva Himariote. Sa te kete Vlora djem mos e vrisni shum mendjen. Duhet konsoliduar Kosova dhe Ilirida pasi ato i shtojne fuqine edhe Shqiperise meme.
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Post by donnie on Apr 11, 2009 4:57:20 GMT -5
Lexo per "Shen" Kozma Etolin ... lexo se sa shkolla greke ai ndertoi ne jugun e Shqiperise dhe ne Epir, gje qe ishte e pamundur pa lejen e pashait me prejardhje nga Tepelena dhe bejlereve vendas te Camerise. (Ali Pashai gjithashtu ndertoi manastirin kushtuar Kozmait ne Kalkondas gje qe ndihmoi ne ngritjen e kultit te ketij "shenjtori"). Bleje librin e Pellumb Xhufit, Dilemat e Arberit, per njohuri me te thelle ne kete fushe.
An enemy to "all Orthodox Christians" you sa? A per kete arsye ai u be vellam i Andruc Verushit? Per kete arsye edhe Odhise Andruco luftoi per Ali Pashane? Po per nenshtrimin e sulioteve te krishtere, nuk perdori Ali Pashai luftetar orthodoks, si Andrucon, Vangjel Zapen, Bakolen? Kjo, duhet te mbahet mend, ndodhi pas djegies dhe shkaterrimit te folese se vlleherve. Pra, si eshte e mundur qe ai te ishte armik i te gjithe te krishtereve, dhe njekohesisht si njeri dhe luftetar me te afert te kishte Thanas Vajen? Madje edhe gruan, Vasiliqine, e kishte grua greke dhe te krishtere ... gjithashtu dy sekretaret e tij grek, e te tjere ...
Njehere the qe ai ishte armik i shqiptarizmit per shkak te djegies se Voskopojes ... tani pranon se ka qene kryesisht nje strehe vllehesh Voskopoja, dhe i nderron fjalet duke i vene nje epitet te ri, "armik te te krishtereve orthodoks" -- por edhe kjo doli e gabuar!
LOL; po pse po flet per Zogun? E ke mendimin se jam legalist? Nuk jam. E perbuzi Zogun per faktin qe ai iku kur ishte nevoja te qendronte dhe t'i debonte fashistet italian.
Ti je ai qe nuk po shikon historine ne menyre objektive, gje qe u pa edhe me lart me epitetet e rreme qe u perpoqe tja vesh Ali Pashait. Enveri nuk ishte "badass" pse e izoloi Shqiperine, por Shqiperia u izolua nga te tjeret dhe prandaj ai e perdori kete "trademark" si po te ishte shpikja e tij. Pikerisht per kete arsye ai ne fillim kerkoi krijimin e nje konfederate ballkanike, dhe bashkepunimi me levizjen komuniste serbe apo "jugosllave" ishtge aq i madh sa qe nuk eshte e gabueshme te thuhet se partia komuniste ne fakt ishte krijim i Dushan Mugoshes dhe Milladin Popovicit.
Ne kete pike, Kadareja e thoshte mire, se neqoftese edhe nje pulle te nderronte ne kemishe Titoja, gazetat perendimore shkruanin per te ... ndersa Hoxhes dhe Shqiperise s'ju afrua kurre ndihma, nje ndihme qe do ta pranonte Hoxha pa ngurrim, prandaj ai u be sikurse e tera ishte vendim i Shqiperise per te qene e izoluar, e jo rezultati i mosinteresimit per nje diktature te vogel pergjate brigjeve te Adriatikut dhe Jonit qe nuk perbente kurrfare rreziku per askend, perpos vetvetes.
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Post by donnie on Apr 11, 2009 5:16:52 GMT -5
C'merreni kot me Dropullitet e shkrete ata jane njerez te bute, u qi motren dhe ata te thone efkaristo poli. Xhaxhi i beri minoritaret te thurnin kenge per te. Ce do qe vrau Mehmet Shehun se ai do e skuqte ne hell Janullatosin me gjithe saraje e Vasil Bollano. Edhe Sala u tregua burre ne fillim kur i futi ne burg nja 4 bythqira nga Omonia po masnej filloi t'jua merrte edhe ai ne goje Grekerve. Nejse punet duken mire sot, rreziku Grek ka rene, pavaresisht se njerezit behen histerike per ca kurva Himariote. Sa te kete Vlora djem mos e vrisni shum mendjen. Duhet konsoliduar Kosova dhe Ilirida pasi ato i shtojne fuqine edhe Shqiperise meme. Mireseuktheve Ngadhnjyesi! Dua te them se ke te drejte, por kjo bisede lidhet me shume me Xhaxhin Enver se me dropullitet, sepse po te ishte qene aq "badass" dhe i mencur sic pohojne disa, eshte dashur tja kthej Greqise me te njejten monedhe, duke ja ndaluar grekeve te shkollohen ne gjuhen e tyre amtare deri sa tanet ne Greqi nuk e fitonin te drejten per te t'u edukuar shqip; flas pikerisht per komunitetet ne Cameri dhe Evros |
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Post by PARIS DIO_MYSUS! on Apr 11, 2009 10:18:41 GMT -5
Asnje se ndalon shqiptarin qe te hape per komunitetin e tij shkolle shqipe si ne greqi dhe gjetiu ne bote. Po ashtu edhe ne shqiptaret nuk duhet ti ndalojme ato pakica kombetare qe te kene shkollen e tyre ne gjuhe e tyre ametare ne Shqiperi. Te studiosh dhe te mesosh eshte gjeja me e mire qe pervec vlerave positive nuk perben ndonje shkelje.  |
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Post by Arxileas on Apr 11, 2009 10:51:18 GMT -5
That's the key word promote historical facts unlike wilders with baseless opinions. Well if you were a true decendent of the Illyrians you would know your history very well because you would know right away that the Illyrians were calling the Epirotes Greeks. O.E. Crecas (pl.), early Gmc. borrowing from L. Græci "the Hellenes," from Gk. Grakoi. Aristotle, who was the first to use Graikhos as equivalent to Hellenes ("Meteorologica" I.xiv) wrote that it was the name originally used by Illyrians for the Dorians in Epirus, www.etymonline.com/index.php?search=Epirus&searchmode=noneI'll cry from laughing as much as I wish indeed... . |
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Post by PARIS DIO_MYSUS! on Apr 11, 2009 11:34:31 GMT -5
Epiri is albanian word that means Dry Zone. Graikos is albanian word tha means Women. Ionian (Joni) is albanian word that means is Ours. All you are children of mother Mary and I am Son Of Maryem which means IAMGOD !!!!! |
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Post by Alb_Korcar on Apr 11, 2009 18:44:41 GMT -5
y do u write Saint with apostrophe? this confused me so i couldnt read the rest waht u wrote... he was an enemy of Orthodox Christians because Voskopoja wasnet just a "vlach cage" as u put it. it was the SECOND BIGGEST CENTER FOR ORTHODOX CHRISTIANS AFTER CONSTANTINOPLE. read more carefully next time u think because he had a Greek wife and had Greeks working under him (literally) taht made him pro-Greek?? LOL if anything that made him anti-Greek and tahts exactley y he was a good leader. and stop referrering to Voskopoja as "foleja e vleherve" u might as well call Korca "foleja e vleherve" whiel ur at it... i rather u insult me then insult any region/vilage in Korca. Voskopoja had vlachs yea...there are still vlachs in Korca...so what? but like i said before Voskopoja was also a center for Orthodox Chrsitians, the same way Korca is the center of the Albanian Orthodox church today  and taht's waht made him an enemy. |
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Post by Alb_Korcar on Apr 11, 2009 18:50:30 GMT -5
C'merreni kot me Dropullitet e shkrete ata jane njerez te bute, u qi motren dhe ata te thone efkaristo poli. LOL |
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Post by donnie on Apr 11, 2009 22:49:17 GMT -5
And why are you writing like a fourteen year old wiggah trying to butcher the English language?
LOL. Dhe keto rreshta me siper tregojne se ti nuk ke ide se si te debatosh dhe te argumentosh, sepse se pari nuk i ke marre parasysh dhe nuk i ke kuptuar argumentet e mia, dhe gjithashtu e ke nderruar mendimin dhe poziten tende 3 here, duke treguar joaftesine tende per te zhvilluar debat. Case closed !
Voskopoja "nuk kishte vlleh", por ishte qender vllahe, ku elementi shqiptar ishte dytesor.
And made him enemy of what? I te gjithe orthodokseve? Po une fare mire argumentova se nje pjese e mire e ushtrise se tij dhe te afermit e tij ishin orthodoks, pra kjo bie ne kundershtim me "argumentimin" tend se ai ishte gjoja armiku i te gjithe krishtereve orthodoks .... such incoherent verbal diarrhea from your side isn't really giving you a formidable platform to stand on and argue from.
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Post by PARIS DIO_MYSUS! on Apr 11, 2009 23:01:49 GMT -5
Ne shqiptaret gjithmone e kemi trajtuar vehten tone si dytesor ne Shqiperi dhe si paresor perhera kemi mbajtur dhe quajtur pakicat e tjera kombetare te cileve i kemi krijuar dhe kushte optimale jetese. Tradita e Shqiptarit eshte mikut i takon vendi me i mire. Vlleh is albanian word which means Brother. |
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Post by luarasi on Apr 12, 2009 5:52:30 GMT -5
Macedonia recognizes all minorities but Bulgarian one, on the contrary no Macedonian would be left. In case of Greece , if they recognized all minorities, then no Greeks would be left.
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Post by monsterofsouli on Apr 12, 2009 7:01:49 GMT -5
Macedonia recognizes all minorities but Bulgarian one, on the contrary no Macedonian would be left. In case of Greece , if they recognized all minorities, then no Greeks would be left. See it is comments like this that lead me to ask, what you might be smoking. AN ALBANIAN COMPARING GREEKS TO FYROMIANS??? Kind of reminds me of a sophisticated Nigerian trying to be white. Your first post! Congrats! |
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Post by luarasi on Apr 12, 2009 9:33:02 GMT -5
See it is comments like this that lead me to ask, what you might be smoking. AN ALBANIAN COMPARING GREEKS TO FYROMIANS??? Kind of reminds me of a sophisticated Nigerian trying to be white. Your first post! Congrats! Monsterfasuli, you are right when it comes to comparing you to FYROMIANS, you are somewhat more evolved monkeys. You can make giro and souflaqi, they can't. As for other things you are pretty much the same pretending to be something you are not. |
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and taht's waht made him an enemy.