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Post by Teuta1975 on May 4, 2009 21:32:52 GMT -5
Kastor is right. Now, officially, Epirus exists up to the border with Albania. After that, areas like Saranda to Himara, though part of historical Epirus, no longer constitute as thus; they are simply 'southern Albania' and the term 'Northern Epirus' will continue to die-out until its inevitable extinction. Epirus, officially now, is a part of Greece. Otherwise, if 'Northern Epirus' was included, then it should be a regional forum, rather than a Greek subforum. But ofcouse, I bet Aadmin's Greco leaning would keep it in the Greek forum. So, why the term Epirus exist in the first place? Isn't also South Epirus part of Northern Greece same as North Epirus is part of South Albania?! Therefore, if North Epirus is included here (as Pyrros implies) then we have to create another state, independent, (udner no circumstances under Greece), where Albanians will be minority and ask for schooling and other rights...unless Pyrros meant north Epirus pertinent to the Northern part of South Epirus...and in such a case, Greek minority in Albania are not Epiriot-Greeks but Albanians...and let's create a little Cyprus in Balkans because the term is "historical"! Therefore, I think: either two sub-boards or none! It is fair enough but some people here don't like fairness...Adamin I am sure he does because he divided Kosovo in two sub-boards even though Kosovo is an independent state already
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Post by albquietman on May 4, 2009 22:02:19 GMT -5
Also this sub-forum should be divided: North Epirus should go to Albanian Forum and South Epirus should go to Greek one...why do I feel like I am drawing borders in Balkans? And I guess you're enjoying it Teuta, are you studying for political sciences? But, I guess we've got some greek friends here that are drawing the same borders too...
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Post by albquietman on May 4, 2009 22:11:06 GMT -5
"North Epirus live more Albanians than Greeks and in South Epirus live more Greeks than Albanians." hard to believe the 1st, unless i see it with my own eyes, as far as the 2nd is concerned, in S. Epiros there are no albanians at all, except of course the illegal immigrants. Well you have to see it yourself that there greeks are a little minority, and in South Epiros, of course there aren't too many albanians left, because you expelled them...we didn't expelll greeks in our part, and they still are minority...
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Post by Teuta1975 on May 4, 2009 22:19:17 GMT -5
AlbQ,
have you watched that comic movie with Carli Caplin I think, caricaturing Hitler, and Hitler with a big pencil on his hand, rotating the globe and drawing borders? That is the way I feel and strangely enough I like it....why don't they leave Earth to me? I am a fair person and war may not exist...or... it would have started the third one?!!!
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Post by albquietman on May 4, 2009 22:29:20 GMT -5
Yes I have seen that movie...hmmm, you want to be a dictator Teuta ...you don't sound like you can be one, but you never know...if you'll start a war, make sure to annex Greece to Albania, and I can be the governor there
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Post by Teuta1975 on May 4, 2009 22:37:04 GMT -5
Yes I have seen that movie...hmmm, you want to be a dictator Teuta ...you don't sound like you can be one, but you never know...if you'll start a war, make sure to annex Greece to Albania, and I can be the governor there Oh, I can be a horrible dictator for the simple reason people won't notice I am a dictator....but this is my secret...don't say it around.
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Post by albquietman on May 4, 2009 22:47:14 GMT -5
No I won't , but let's get back to the topic. Putting Epirus under Greece, it's not right. My opinion is that shouldn't be Epirus sub forum because Epirus is not a country or a nationality. Epirus is a geographical expression left from the ancient times, and as I have said before, Epirus in greek language means continent, and got that name because of the people in Corfu, that since they lived in an island, it made sense for them to call the mainland continent...so there are no epiriots or epirotic language...in that part of the world there are only greeks and albanians...
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Post by Alb_Korcar on May 5, 2009 1:00:59 GMT -5
so there are no epiriots or epirotic language...in that part of the world there are only greeks and albanians... by this brilliant conclusion of yours there is no Switserland, there is no Austria, there is no Moldova, there is no Luxembourg. (there is also no Belgium, and there is no capital of the EU)
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Post by Kastorianos on May 5, 2009 4:38:09 GMT -5
The arvanite dialect that is spoken in Epirus is sometimes called "Ipirotika"...of course it has nothing to do with ancient Epirotes since they were Greek speaking....but the slavic slang of Macedonia is called "Makedonika" as well by its speakers...
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Post by Kralj Vatra on May 5, 2009 4:38:21 GMT -5
Do we some some alb friends here debating or what!
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Post by Kralj Vatra on May 5, 2009 4:40:42 GMT -5
The arvanite dialect that is spoken in Epirus is sometimes called "Ipirotika"...of course it has nothing to do with ancient Epirotes since they were Greek speaking....but the slavic slang of Macedonia is called "Makedonika" as well by its speakers... Kastoriane, honestly besides some vlah (which you must be lucky to hear) i never crossed any other language but Greek in my first 18 years i spent in Epiros. Not even in Paramythia/Hgoumenitsa/Parga.... So why all the noize about Arvanitika in Epirus? Never saw any...
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Post by greekscandal on May 5, 2009 12:58:46 GMT -5
May 3, 2009, 6:43pm, Pyrros wrote: Also some Vlach would make sense, as long as there is a translation. Thats the second language i managed to hear while being raised in the capitol of Epirus, during a school trip to Metsovo (sort of vlah capital of greece)
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That was Vlachi you bimbo Arxilass
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Post by Alb_Korcar on May 5, 2009 15:23:15 GMT -5
The arvanite dialect that is spoken in Epirus is sometimes called "Ipirotika"...of course it has nothing to do with ancient Epirotes since they were Greek speaking....but the slavic slang of Macedonia is called "Makedonika" as well by its speakers... Kastoriane, honestly besides some vlah (which you must be lucky to hear) i never crossed any other language but Greek in my first 18 years i spent in Epiros. Not even in Paramythia/Hgoumenitsa/Parga.... So why all the noize about Arvanitika in Epirus? Never saw any... how is that possibel Pyrrosevich? what about Karta, or Kastorianos? lol Arvanitika is alive and well in Epirus and Macedonia...
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Post by Alb_Korcar on May 5, 2009 15:26:33 GMT -5
"North Epirus live more Albanians than Greeks and in South Epirus live more Greeks than Albanians." hard to believe the 1st, unless i see it with my own eyes, as far as the 2nd is concerned, in S. Epiros there are no albanians at all, except of course the illegal immigrants. did u go to an Epirus that exists in an alternative universe or waht? first of all NONE of "the illegal immigrants" are even allowed to step foot in Epirus they all go to southern Greece...second the ones with Albanian heritage who live there have been there for generations, much like the Greeks in south Albania. here's a video (you'll notice how they still kept their Kolonjar/Korcar dialect and that old dude in the end said hes mixed(Greek dad, Albo mom) so hes a good example of an Epirote
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Post by Teuta1975 on May 5, 2009 19:14:41 GMT -5
Alb_Korcar,
+1 for the video...some people don't need to "go there and see", for "seeing" enters this forum now...one just has to open the eyes and see!
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Post by Arxileas on May 5, 2009 20:33:12 GMT -5
You guys should know that Greece essentially gave up that treaty just recently with the delineation of territorial waters between it and Albania. In the treaty Greece recognized Albanian land as it is (un-autonomous). You sure ? Something is nagging at me that you are wrong here. Because it’s my understanding we cannot give it up even if both Greece and Albania wanted to, you must understand there were / are many signatories to that treaty such as France, Germany, Austria, Russia and Italy....Doubt Greece and Albania alone get rid it without consulting the others involved... A mess created by our ancestors. .
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Post by todhrimencuri on May 5, 2009 21:00:02 GMT -5
Well apparently your in the wrong, because, as I said, Greece recognized the land as it is. EU will confirm these agreements and it will be argument over. If they have a problem with it..... they will raise it. The Protocol was signed by these parties as "recognitioning" negotiators (think of them as witnesses to the negotiations, which, ideally thats what they represented, although in reality they decided conclusions). The negations were between two principal entities and today they have signed new ones. Greece and Albania alone can replace them, because they were the main entities concerned. Think of the others as negotiators between two people. In either case, what your saying would mean that if the "talks" of such autonomy were ever brought back, Russia, France, Germany, Italy AND Austria would all have to agree on its reimplementation. Now, at best MAYBE Russia could be expected (although i doubt they would give support to any autonomous "freedom" movement, considering their position). While Greece and Albania can't bring the argument up... and even if they did decide something, it would mean Albania could counter it with the various NATO and EU treaties it has made. Nevermind the countless Central European Stabilization treaties, Balkan ones... But in the end, those powers can decide all our fate. So whether or not they agreed, tomorrow they can change it regardless. So it wouldnt really matter. But whatever, we will see what will happen. Whatever the case, your population is falling at an appalling rate. In most of your villages between half and 70% of the population is gone. The remaining population is made up of the senile old, unprocreative entities. Land and property has become virtually profitless and abandoned. We will see what will happen.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on May 6, 2009 7:53:04 GMT -5
did u go to an Epirus that exists in an alternative universe or waht? hmmm its hard to "go" somewhere where you were born you know...
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Post by chalkedon on May 6, 2009 11:33:00 GMT -5
You guys should know that Greece essentially gave up that treaty just recently with the delineation of territorial waters between it and Albania. In the treaty Greece recognized Albanian land as it is (un-autonomous). You sure ? Something is nagging at me that you are wrong here. Because it’s my understanding we cannot give it up even if both Greece and Albania wanted to, you must understand there were / are many signatories to that treaty such as France, Germany, Austria, Russia and Italy....Doubt Greece and Albania alone get rid it without consulting the others involved... A mess created by our ancestors. . recognition for 225 square kilometers of albania's maritime territory. Maybe not a bad deal.... balkaninsight.com/en/main/news/18532/but we really do have to keep up the population in N. Epirus...that is a fact. Or else there wont be a point in bringing up this issue soon.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on May 6, 2009 12:20:43 GMT -5
you are 100% right..
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