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Post by bob1389 on Apr 16, 2009 6:58:51 GMT -5
Give reasons, if you will.
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Post by bob1389 on Apr 16, 2009 7:00:45 GMT -5
Ustashe - their crimes and policies has been well documented with the Serbian public. The 'kill 1/3 convert 1/3 expel 1/3' was their motto and they were effective in each. Their brutality and lack of compassion will be a source of anger, mistrust and politically motivated propaganda for generations to come.
Whilst their destruction and mass murder was on carried out on a large scale, it was limited to the period of WW2.
The Partizani and the communist authority held power for 60 years. During and after WW2 Serbian patriots were hanged en masse, and hundreds of thousands forced to flee overseas (to America, Canada, Australia and so on).
Their policies subdued Serbian nationalism and purposely weaken Serbia in order to appease the other groups (the motto was 'weak serbia = strong yugoslavia). Milosevic was the brainchild of these policies and went on further to abuse Serbian nationalism for his own benefit. Much of Serbia's woes today are a direct result of Partizan induced policies and a government structure that was actively anti-Serbian.
I'm having a tough time deciding on principal, but the horror of what took place in Jasenovac is hard to look by, so my vote is for ustashe.
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Post by Novus Dis on Apr 16, 2009 7:39:37 GMT -5
Ustashi. They killed more Serb civilians in 4 years than the Partizans did in 40 and destroyed many more villages/churches. Though the Partizans are largely responsible for the war in Yugoslavia (because of their economic ineptness and their pandering to anti-Yugoslavia forces within the country) and the mass migration of Shqiptars into Kosovo, they really don't compare to the Ustashi in brutality, horror or severity.
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Post by radovic on Apr 16, 2009 8:57:10 GMT -5
Ustashe -- openly pro-Nazi, significantly more deaths then those caused by Chetniks or Partizans, only other fascist movement besides the Nazi's in Germany to operate concentration camps.
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Post by vinjak on Apr 16, 2009 19:47:54 GMT -5
All Siptar instigators have been deleted and the replys.
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Post by SKORIC on Apr 16, 2009 21:47:30 GMT -5
Fuck them both
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Post by ErmirI on Apr 16, 2009 21:54:56 GMT -5
There's plenty of Ustasha today. And the Partizans cleansed a few thousands Hungarians too.
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Post by maki on Apr 16, 2009 23:45:10 GMT -5
what a joke? comparing the ustase to the partisans? are u fking joking? what sort of serb (especially one from bosnia) would ask a question like that? dont you have any respect for serb victims at the hands of the ustase?
only a serb that has lived in australia for too long (and their parents) would be so fuking ignorant to ask a question like that. let me guess your parents came to australia long before 90's? thats the only explanation i could come up with. especially one thats from bosnia. fukn stupid.
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Post by Caslav Klonimirovic on Apr 16, 2009 23:56:06 GMT -5
Yeah and only a Yugonostagicar Serb from Serbia grown up in multicultural utopian Canada could produce your opinion right? Really though I do agree with you... Of course the ustase are worse.
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Post by bob1389 on Apr 17, 2009 0:19:09 GMT -5
what a joke? comparing the ustase to the partisans? are u fking joking? what sort of serb (especially one from bosnia) would ask a question like that? dont you have any respect for serb victims at the hands of the ustase? only a serb that has lived in australia for too long (and their parents) would be so fuking ignorant to ask a question like that. let me guess your parents came to australia long before 90's? thats the only explanation i could come up with. especially one thats from bosnia. fukn stupid. Different people have different experiences. That's the whole point of the discussion. If your grandparents were chetniks in central Serbia, and they were hanged by partizan fighters and their entire village razed - then the question isn't so simple. Mass murder committed by Ustashi forces is one thing, but the mass emigration of Serbian patriots escaping Tito's iron fist has hurt us just as much. Muslims only became the largest group in Bosnia in the 70s, before then Bosnia had a large Serbian majority. The losses of Krajina, Bosnia and Kosovo can all be attributed to Tito and the partisans. The hole that Serbia find itself in today (one which I dont see it escaping any time soon, unfortunely) is vastly attributed to the Partizani and their (mis)management of Serbs and the Serbian republic. p.s the same bosnian muslims that fought together with my grandfather in the partizans against ustashe in north-western Bosnia - were the same ones that destroyed his entire village in the 90s.... nothing is simple. p.p.s my family arrived in Australia in 1994 after being forced out of our home in 1992. Of the little belonging we were able to save and leave with my aunt, it went up in flames in 1995. So spare me the emotional lectures.
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Post by SKORIC on Apr 17, 2009 0:27:36 GMT -5
lol in the "Who's your favourite Serbian hero" thread Maki put down Tito. LOL illyria.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=srbijaserbia&action=display&thread=12508what a joke? comparing the ustase to the partisans? are u fking joking? what sort of serb (especially one from bosnia) would ask a question like that? dont you have any respect for serb victims at the hands of the ustase? only a serb that has lived in australia for too long (and their parents) would be so fuking ignorant to ask a question like that. let me guess your parents came to australia long before 90's? thats the only explanation i could come up with. especially one thats from bosnia. fukn stupid. Different people have different experiences. That's the whole point of the discussion. If your grandparents were chetniks in central Serbia, and they were hanged by partizan fighters and their entire village razed - then the question isn't so simple. Very true.
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Post by zgembo on Apr 18, 2009 19:43:44 GMT -5
Ridiculous question Baaaawb.
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Post by SKORIC on Apr 19, 2009 10:09:42 GMT -5
True, Bob should already know Partizans were worse ;D
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Post by Ja Ona i Pivo on Apr 19, 2009 13:35:39 GMT -5
Tito's iron fist I love this word "iron fist" so comon in westie magazines.. Tito held every Yugoslav hostage and held hes iron fist over them.. hahahhaha
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Post by Novus Dis on Apr 19, 2009 14:14:20 GMT -5
Tito's rule over Yugoslavia can best be described as an "iron fisting".
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Post by Ja Ona i Pivo on Apr 19, 2009 15:09:46 GMT -5
Tito's rule over Yugoslavia can best be described as an "iron fisting". Naah not really. hen whats Nort korea? Titanium Fist? No one said to u Dont travel, dont spend money on this or that. Yes he was a Communist but theres a difference betwen commies and commies.. lol u probably got ur info from a history teacher in aussie Just as relabile as info of Serbia we got from school.. EvvVvvvViiIllLLL Slobooo
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Post by Novus Dis on Apr 19, 2009 15:20:22 GMT -5
>:/
It was a joke.
Though secret police, mass executions and concentration camps are what have marked Tito's rule. Milosevic was much better in regards to human rights but that's really nothing praise worthy. And most educators in the first world think well of Tito, you ignoramus.
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Post by bob1389 on Apr 20, 2009 22:43:36 GMT -5
Looks more like a satanic cult gathering.
With all its troubles I'm glad Serbia doesn't have to put up with that stuff anymore.
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Post by Ja Ona i Pivo on Apr 21, 2009 5:11:13 GMT -5
Looks more like a satanic cult gathering. With all its troubles I'm glad Serbia doesn't have to put up with that stuff anymore. Well Before we had that, al nice and stuff. Today our leaders are here. Everything is soo much better
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Post by Novus Dis on Apr 21, 2009 7:12:34 GMT -5
^ And? If this was Tito's reign, those guys wouldn’t have even gotten a show trial.
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