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Post by albanesehoney on Jan 13, 2008 21:15:10 GMT -5
The only thing the Egyptians and Babylonians had were a few Geometric concepts based on trial and error. The Greeks created the science and added much more to the field. If the Egyptians, Babylonians and the Hebrews considered it "Sacred Knowledge" then why and how could the Greeks have been given geometry? Why would a "Sacred Knowledge" known ONLY by those within a very tight circle give away their secrets to someone outside of their sacred circle and a foreigner? The 'Sacred Knowledge" of Geometry was never 'willingly' handed to the Greeks, if indeed one believes Euclid was an authentic 'european' Greek. Under Ptolemy, the information was 'taken' by the Macedonian rulers and organized into varoius disciplines and fields of knowledge. Euclid was but one who benefited from taking the mathematical knowledge hanging all around him during his lifetime in Alexandrian Library in Egypt. Other than the self evident truth of the ancient pyramids still standing from 2600 BC ca, and the fact that their calculations for these pyramids outlasted anything Greeks created from 500BC to 200bc, in Greece...; which proves their Mathematical computations are in fact right on because of the existence of their pyramids and temples.... The Egyptian Pyramids are the oldest and only surviving member of the ancient wonders. Today there are about eighty (80) surviving pyramids in Egypt, the three largest and best preserved of these being at Giza, near the city of Cairo. They were built at the beginning of what we call the Old Kingdom, starting around 2560BC (over 4,500 years ago!)There's another obvious fact about Euclid you failed to admit and recognize and that is...Euclid, Mathematician Born: ca. 325 B.C. Birthplace: Died: ca. 265 B.C. Best Known As: Alexandrian mathematician and father of geometry Euclid was a mathematician whose third century B.C. textbook Elements served as the western world's unchallenged standard for two millennia. Nothing is known about Euclid's life or physical appearance, and what little is known about his career comes from inferences in later sources. It is generally agreed that he taught geometry in Hellenistic Egypt, at Alexandria during the reign of Ptolemy I, between 305 and 285 B.C. Euclidean geometry was the geometry until the 19th century, when mathematicians began to challenge Euclid's assumptions about parallel lines when considering measurements over very large distances of, say, billions of light years.Biographical knowledge A fragment of Euclid's Elements found at Oxyrhynchus, which is dated to circa 100 AD. The diagram accompanies Proposition 5 of Book II of the Elements. Euclid, as imagined by Raphael in this detail from The School of Athens.[1]Little is known about Euclid other than his writings. What little biographical information we do have comes largely from commentaries by Proclus and Pappus of Alexandria: Euclid was active at the great Library of Alexandria and may have studied at Plato's Academy in Greece . Euclid's exact lifespan and place of birth are unknown.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EuclidEuclid of Alexandria is the most prominent mathematician of antiquity best known for his treatise on mathematics The Elements. The long lasting nature of The Elements must make Euclid the leading mathematics teacher of all time. However little is known of Euclid's life except that he taught at Alexandria in Egypt. Proclus, the last major Greek philosopher, who lived around 450 AD wrote (see [1] or [9] or many other sources) www-groups.dcs.st-and.ac.uk/~history/Biographies/Euclid.htmlemeagwali.com/speeches/black-history-month/african-history-lost-stolen-or-strayed.htmlLooks like he got his mathematical training from the ancient Egyptian papyri hanging around the Alexandrian libraries and schools in Egypt. Some even claim him to be an authentic Egyptian/African citizen of Ptolemian "Helen' admin. Whatever the truth is about Euclid's bio, we know he hung around the Alexandrian library and easily learned his 'Mathematics" from the ancient Egyptian Titans that came before him.
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Post by Niklianos on Jan 13, 2008 21:16:23 GMT -5
"There are good reasons to believe that Greek Mythology is an embellished version of real history. The so-called 'gods' were just ordinary men and women whose deeds have been exaggerated so that they could be made into gods. I will go into this argument in detail in my forthcoming new book, but basically they are as follows: Ouranos and Gaia represent Noah and his wife. Titan, Kronus and Iapetus are Shem, Ham and Japheth. This is evident from a Chaldean fragment (1) which says "After the Flood, Titan and Prometheus lived, and Titan undertook a war against Kronus". Prometheus (not shown in the diagram), is a son of Iapetus in Greek mythology, and he appears in the Chaldean fragment in place of his father. Kronus must be Ham, because he appears in the Egyptian king list of Manetho (2) among the demi-gods that precede the first dynasty. This leaves only Shem to be accounted for, and he is given the name Titan which is a collective name for all the children of Ouranos and Gaia. Kronus achieves notoriety by castrating his father Uranus, an exaggerated version of the story about Ham seeing his father naked in his tent. By comparison of the Greek and Egyptian mythologies, it is possible to show that the Greek Zeus is the Egyptian Osyris, and since he is a son of Ham, he must be Mizraim. Oceanus and Tethys were additional children of Noah, born after the flood (and there is nothing in the Bible to suggest that this should not happen). They got married and had both sons and daughters. Their sons were called 'River Gods' and their daughters were called 'Oceanids'. One of the Oceanids, either Clymene or Asia, married Iapetus (Japheth) and they had a son called Atlas who had a daughter called Electra. She married Zeus who is the same as the Egyptian Osiris and the Biblical Mizraim. Zeus and Electra had a son called Dardanus who became the first king of Troy. References 1. Hodges, E.R., Cory's Ancient Fragments, A New and Enlarged Edition, Reeves & Turner, London, 1876. Facsimile reprints from Ballantrae, Ontario, Canada. This Chaldean fragment is from Alexander Polyhistor.
2. Cory's Ancient Fragments. King list of Manetho.
3. Virgil - The Aneid, Penguin Classics.
4. Cory's Ancient Fragments. See the fragments of Berosus from Apollodorus and Abydenus. And even Greeks (Hellens and Hellenized) believed in 12 Gods, that according to Herodotus, (Book 2.4.1) appears as follows: "IV. But as to human affairs, this was the account in which they all agreed: the Egyptians, they said, were the first men who reckoned by years and made the year consist of twelve divisions of the seasons. They discovered this from the stars (so they said). And their reckoning is, to my mind, a juster one than that of the Greeks; for the Greeks add an intercalary month every other year, so that the seasons agree; but the Egyptians, reckoning thirty days to each of the twelve months, add five days in every year over and above the total, and thus the completed circle of seasons is made to agree with the calendar. [2] Furthermore, the Egyptians (they said) first used the names of twelve gods1 (which the Greeks afterwards borrowed from them); and it was they who first assigned to the several gods their altars and images and temples, and first carved figures on stone. Most of this they showed me in fact to be the case. The first human king of Egypt, they said, was Min. [3] In his time all of Egypt except the Thebaic2 district was a marsh: all the country that we now see was then covered by water, north of lake Moeris,3 which is seven days' journey up the river from the sea". Some people dispute the passages blaiming the translation. (see the bold words above) See, you made me post the same article twice...lol.. Interesting Now instead of Zeus always being the comparable god to Amon Ra, he is now Osiris?? Quite confusing don't you think?
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Post by akosxxx on Jan 14, 2008 19:16:58 GMT -5
Maybe we should establish an egypt forum around here... so teuta and albanesehoney can defend the heritage ;D Which is stolen by the Greeks of course
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Post by Teuta1975 on Jan 14, 2008 20:23:01 GMT -5
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Post by Teuta1975 on Jan 14, 2008 20:24:03 GMT -5
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Post by Niklianos on Jan 14, 2008 20:34:48 GMT -5
Albhoney,
you are a real conspiracy theorist aren't you?!
Do you really believe that there is some kind of grand conspiracy theory that the Greeks have concocted everything in the past and that somehow the English, Americans, Germans, French, Italians, Russians, etc, etc are all part of this grand scheme? It seems that you think that anything in the past 2500 years that has been defined as Greek is actually a big lie and non-Greek.
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Post by albanesehoney on Jan 14, 2008 20:50:18 GMT -5
Where did i say that a grand conspiracy was involved with Egyptian contributions to humanity and Greeks?
Above, there are only two points that conflicts with your claims.
We know little about Euclid's personal life, whether he was Egyptian/African or a real Euro Greek, and he hung around the Alexander Library/Alexandria Egypt, where he taught Math all his life. Not in Athens, in Egypt. So, in fact, Euclid was clearly in the place and time to absorb all the info. that was lying around in Alexandria while Euclid was alive, in 300-200BC, way way after 7th Millenia Rhind papyrus that included alot of the formulas for computing area space in triangles and cubes and squares..etc..basic geometry. And, the other point, is the fact that Egyptian understanding of geometric formulas weren't so 'trial and error=ish' in content, because we have their temples and pyramids still standing today, from 2500BC. Now, you're gonna tell me Greeks taught Egyptians this knowledge? If you are, then, you need to show me a Greek papyrus from 2500BC or older.
BTw, is it beyond you to just accept defeat here? No one is denying Euclid's contribution to Geometry but you also have to give credit to Egyptians and their founding basis for Euclid's work. Again, you like Slow have sunk to that level of attacking me and not the work. Show me a source that tells us who Euclid was, where he was born and died, what language he spoke, other than Greek and who his family was. Come on, I'm open to learning the truth. and Not simply accept the facts you took for granted since your dad/mom told you when you were 5 years old about Greek greatness in all things known to man.
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Post by Arxileas on Jan 14, 2008 21:23:11 GMT -5
Spam. And more Spam. Warning number 2 of 3 towards a patofla ;D
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Post by Teuta1975 on Jan 15, 2008 0:10:36 GMT -5
Ajax, yati me tiranas? Den prepes ya na mu les to "patofla". Ego fevgume...
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Post by Arxileas on Jan 15, 2008 0:39:43 GMT -5
Ajax, yati me tiranas? Den prepes ya na mu les to "patofla". Ego fevgume... teuta a "patofla" that term in Greek is used as brotherly / sisterly love, family wise as we are family here in this zoo. Please stay on topic [well you're ruining your own topic, what can I say]
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Post by Teuta1975 on Jan 15, 2008 0:42:45 GMT -5
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