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Post by Patrinos on Feb 5, 2009 18:51:39 GMT -5
Nothing easier than that. But I have to add Kosovo to that. ;D A world without bobota! ;D
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Post by leshte on Feb 5, 2009 19:28:16 GMT -5
Melty I've been in this forum for a while and I have observed that your opinions have become weirder as time has progressed. You have changed the way you think while in these forums the same way Vinjak has changed. While in the past there were things you guys used to say that I wouldnt agree on, your reasoning at least was level minded. Now you guys seem to be taking the direction of Highduke, or Arxhileas. Its a weird transformation. This makes me think whether Highduke or Arxhileas were normal at some point and this crazy a$$ forum got to them. I would spare you the reasoning Ismail Kadare uses against Rexhep Qose, since from what I have seen from your posts lately you seem to easily dismiss and even be ironic towards the opinion of others once you have made up your mind on an issue.
Your opinion on this issue is weird because there is no exact definition on what it is to be European (not speaking geographically here). As we have seen in this thread and the other one it is opened to interpretation. There are no clear and defined criteria that state that because of them one cannot be European. As you can see everyone is pulling disqualifying criterias out of their a$$es. When it comes to geography then you statement is simply foolish.
P.S This is not an invitation for HD or Arxhileas to comment on this thread with the excuse that they need to reply to what I say.
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Kanaris
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Post by Kanaris on Feb 5, 2009 19:48:34 GMT -5
Okay..Leshte made some sense finally..bravo L.
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Post by alb12345 on Feb 5, 2009 19:51:34 GMT -5
i cant belive how in the earth a albanian say albanians are more close to middle east then europens:( start from anything food identidy music dress even the religon we have in common we try not to show it bcs in most cases in fake on us. i never heard a albanian to marry a middle east person but i heard many cases to marry europens. mentally we europen as any europen nacion can you imagine europe without anatolians aka modern hellas ?lol
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highduke
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Post by highduke on Feb 5, 2009 19:54:23 GMT -5
LOL ok, ok, ok...no comment lol And before you start posting fake gay serbian links to insult me, make sure Aadmin didnt promote worthless, cultureless, monolingual piqkanica LIAR Kane to administrator because this 'Insomniac' who claims to be a eurochechen secular Christian reeks of KANE
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Post by alb12345 on Feb 5, 2009 20:03:57 GMT -5
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Post by meltdown711 on Feb 5, 2009 20:18:34 GMT -5
Its true, my opinions have changed. The farther back in the forum you go the more ignorant I become, I realized that. Over the past years I have done my own study on things, developed my own perception outside of expectations and desires. Improved my own knowledge on the subject. I can't say the same for many other Albanians, who still rely on the myths and stories of the communist era, developed by men like Kadare, who also likes to live on expectations and desires. One that relies on acceptance rather than want. Albanians want to be European, so you guys feel the need to attack my view. I did stress at the beginning of my post that I meant IIII, as in this is how IIIIII feel. Yet you still feel the need to comment.
Its not necessary, my post isnt based off of any definition in particular. Its just what I felt while I traveled to Europe as compared to time in Albania or amongst Albanians. Its not built off of any particular concept of Europe. Since 'Europe' itself is a construct.
As for Vinyak, I can say that what happened to him happens to many of the moderates who come around these forums: the harshness of it makes you more nationalistic and aggressive... more 'eger'.
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Post by highduke on Feb 5, 2009 20:50:55 GMT -5
Are Albanians European? If you are from a majority Muslim ethnicity that was recently prominent in a Muslim empire, than you do not share your recent past, culture & traditions with 99% of White Europeans. PERIOD. That ISNT debatable. Are Albs 'European'? Maybe they are, that IS debatable & a purely semantic question that distracts from the FACTS: lack of shared recent past, culture & tradittions with 99% of European Whites. Plus you come from the Caucasus. Sorry, had to comment
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Post by leshte on Feb 5, 2009 23:14:41 GMT -5
Highduke there is no such thing as Muslim ethnicity as you state above. Islam is a religion. People who are believers of Islam are called muslims. So being muslim is a belief, it is not an ethnicity.
I can't believe someone who regards himself as a great researcher can make statements like that. What happened, google sent you to the wrong site when you typed muslim?
Melty why should it be ok for you to feel the need to make generalisations on a whole nation based on just perceptions, as you say, and not be ok for us to feel the need and tell you that your perceptions maybe stop in your family, your mom and the people you have encountered. Why should be it be ok for you to have this need of acting as this enlighted figure in this forum who decides what's mythical and what's real history in Albania, who decides who is able to think for oneself and who is the sheep, the follower. Why shouldn't it be ok for us to have the need to tell you that you are fooling yourself when you belittle the opinion of the rest of us who do not think like you, when you call them communistic beliefs, why shouldn't be ok for us to have the need to tell you that this high ground you take when you talk to some of the people in this forum isn't really that high. There is nothing wrong with that.
Also, the least you could have done you could have spent sometime on the reason why you think we are not European. First you maintain that this is only based on your travels through Europe and people you have come accross, then you maintain that you have read and unlike us you have escaped communistic myths, while the rest of us somehow haven't, so that made you come to the conclusion. Also don't you find it a litlle strange that there is plenty of us (most of us) who are raised and educated in the west, Europe and the US, who have had access to many independent sources, who have no connection with communism, some of us come from families that were prosecuted during comunism, that we do not think like you on this issue and yet agree with Kadare's reasoning and you claim that reasoning to be comunistic.
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Post by plisbardhi on Feb 6, 2009 0:05:46 GMT -5
Meltdown, you are a little confused from your univeristy brainf**k and love of Turks and their history. People in Tirana might act more like Stambolites than Parisians, but you're not looking at the whole picture. Northern Albanians, the more culturally archaic Albanians, are in a category of their own and don't act like Turks. North Albs and Kosovars act in general like Montes and Bosniaks, like Dinaric balkaners, that might not be western Europe but that is a style of its own and is only found in that part of EUROPE. I've observered Turks and they make Arabs look good and noble. Turks act a lot like gypsies.
Southern Albs remind me a lot more of Italians than any other European people besides Albanians.
Highduke, considering your ancesters were Bulgarian peasants that were subject to the slightest whim or lust of an Asiatic Turk, you shouldn't be talking.
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Post by meltdown711 on Feb 6, 2009 0:14:52 GMT -5
Prishtina after Turkey-Croatia 2008 game... Same happened in Tirana. Po te kishte fituar Turqia kunder Greqise ose Srbise do ishte be nami... Prizren: Por besoj qe shum prej kta ne Prizren jan nga minoriteti Turk... Juve flisni flisni por e vertat del si vaj mbi uje....
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Post by plisbardhi on Feb 6, 2009 0:26:39 GMT -5
Those are called confused mentally bastardized Albanians like you. I met a Prizrenalike in Prishtina 2 years ago, I questioned her and she didn't care at all for the Turks, she was a true Albo, I let her know I was proud.
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Post by leshte on Feb 6, 2009 0:27:25 GMT -5
Melty if that video is an argument used by you then what do you have to say for celebrations when Italy won the world cup, or even when Germany did? You're confusing the failure of our football team to make it to the big competition with the reaction of a bunch of soccer fans. That is what happens when your own team hasn't proved it can do it, these people become fans of other teams, however weird that is. And if for some is perfectly fine to be Albanian and say root for Italy, Germany, England, then by the same token there is nothing wrong to root for Turkey especially when you consider how great and entertaining they were to watch in the last European. I dont root for Turkey by the way, but I enjoyed how they played.
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Post by Alb_Korcar on Feb 6, 2009 0:49:58 GMT -5
Ballist ur either really stupid or really really bored peopel are not sheep to generalize them like u do. Tyea Albanians have good relations with Turkey today, no that doesent mean Albanians are Turks. maybe u are Ballist, but see even ur ashamed of it so u say ur half Greek instead ;D
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Post by meltdown711 on Feb 6, 2009 0:51:48 GMT -5
Fuk, I had a post ready to enter until my fukin firefox decided to freeze... fuk it. Ill leave it at this: I did not did bring up who Turkey won over who, I just do it because I know it pisses many of you jakasses up... I really couldnt care less.
Secondly, leshte, I said it before and Ill say it again: these were my views, my ideas, my opinions, my perceptions. I know how many different ways I can say it. And yea, you wont change my opinion.
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Post by Arthur Kane on Feb 6, 2009 2:57:25 GMT -5
LOL ok, ok, ok...no comment lol And before you start posting fake gay serbian links to insult me, make sure Aadmin didnt promote worthless, cultureless, monolingual piqkanica LIAR Kane to administrator because this 'Insomniac' who claims to be a eurochechen secular Christian reeks of KANE Hmm, administrator. Sounds good. Kane understands another language besides English. Speaks it crudely but can get around. Kane is an atheist , not a secular 'eurochechen' xtian whatever. Kane has ancestry from Europe. It would make highduke happy if Kane became an administrator.
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Post by libofshe on Feb 6, 2009 6:31:53 GMT -5
Fuk, I had a post ready to enter until my fukin firefox decided to freeze... fuk it. Ill leave it at this: I did not did bring up who Turkey won over who, I just do it because I know it pisses many of you jakasses up... I really couldnt care less. Secondly, leshte, I said it before and Ill say it again: these were my views, my ideas, my opinions, my perceptions. I know how many different ways I can say it. And yea, you wont change my opinion. get a grip man.
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highduke
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Post by highduke on Feb 6, 2009 8:08:04 GMT -5
Just remember, chechens: you do not share a recent past, religion or traditions with with 99% of Europeans because you're a majority Muslim nation whose members played a prominent role in an empire that fought the rest of Europe. And 2nd, this Insomniac 'Albanian' who doesnt even speak Albanian, is none other than neurotic, f.aggotty Kane, who Aadmin promoted to balance out the forum after unleashing me on the forum & your too dumb to notice without a Serb to guide you, like Skenderbeg once did
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Post by highduke on Feb 6, 2009 8:13:36 GMT -5
PS by Europeans, I mean people who themselves or whose recent ancestors haven't immigrated since the 20th cent. from contemporary cultures of S. America Asia & Africa
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Kanaris
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Post by Kanaris on Feb 6, 2009 8:42:53 GMT -5
Iso is not Kane.... believe me..
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