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Post by ilirdardani on Nov 27, 2008 22:46:04 GMT -5
hmm... sve se ovdje svede na politiku... ali da, Goranci mrze siptare na kvadrat, tako da nije cudo da glasaju za radikale.... Why didn't you say that in English? Didn't you want the Albanians to understand? We understand it whichever way you write it. lol We speak multiple languages.
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Post by tyson on Nov 27, 2008 22:56:51 GMT -5
gorani and torbesh are most probably the closest to macedonian christian slavs, by origin.
gorani are very culturally similar to albanians i would think, and most probably have mixed slav & albanian ancestry, due to intermarriages with albanians.
torbesh on the other hand are more culturally similar to macedonian christian slavs, just with a little bit more turkish influenced culture than their christian neighbors who are also turkish influenced culturally.
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Post by radovic on Nov 28, 2008 12:10:43 GMT -5
The Gorani are oppsed to the the independent Kosovo you support. The fact that they vote for the radicals and boycott UNMIK held elections is a clear sign of this.
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Post by radovic on Nov 28, 2008 12:12:53 GMT -5
They are not of Albanian origin. They are of slavic origin. They are not of any conclusive collective origin. Some slavic some other. Especialy since Torbesh mix so often with Albanians and Turks. And I didnt say theys peak our language. Yes you did: You said: They are either of Albanian or Bulgarian origins but the reason they (like alot of people of albanian heritage in Sandzak) proclaim Bosniak is simply cuz they speak almost the same language as us and they are muslim.
They are tiny groups I suppose they have to pick someone to assimilate into lol To which I responded. They are not of Albanian origin. The Gorani have a hatred for Albanians. They are of Slavic origin. They do not declare themselves Bosniak. They've never done this. They do not speak your language, they speak the Torlak dialect of Serbian -- in opther word, their speech is closer to Bulgarian/FYROMian then it is to your language.
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Post by kapetan on Nov 28, 2008 13:07:10 GMT -5
No, they are of Serbian origin. THEY HAVE SLAVAS (Djudrdjevdan). They're Serbs. So do fuckin Gyspies are they Serbs? Having the ame custom or even language doesnt mean shit.
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Post by raynon on Nov 28, 2008 13:46:40 GMT -5
[ They are not of Albanian origin. The Gorani have a hatred for Albanians. They are of Slavic origin. They do not declare themselves Bosniak. They've never done this. They do not speak your language, they speak the Torlak dialect of Serbian -- in opther word, their speech is closer to Bulgarian/FYROMian then it is to your language. That's pure kaka. The majority of Gorani are Albanians and of Illyrian origins. They even named one of their villages after an Illyrian God they worshipped way back in 4000 BC, called Borea. In this village they have found rock drawings of snakes and goddess worship which all occured prior to 1400BC, before the dark ages in Ancient greece. So, radovic, eat kaakaa now and learn to study all the Gorani people before making such an asssss of yourself.
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Post by Ja Ona i Pivo on Nov 28, 2008 14:36:58 GMT -5
Vid den folkundersökning som gjordes 1991 angav 54,8% att de talade goranski som modersmål och resterande 45,2% angav serbiska som modersmål.[1] Gorani är troligtvis ursprungligen serber men även makedonier och bulgarer sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/GoraniPrevedi im USAMA OSMANO
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Post by meltdown711 on Nov 28, 2008 15:13:49 GMT -5
Goranis until their recent Bosnianization had very typically Albanian surnames (such as Sulejmani instead of Sulejmanovic).
Anyway, although I never met one, I already dislike them... dunno why. I think because of a story I was told a long while back of*gorani in Tirana...
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Post by PrijesDardanian on Nov 28, 2008 15:26:53 GMT -5
Torbesh-----they are muslim bulgarians (and live in south-central Macedonia)
Gorans---Montengrins call temself Crna "Gora"
Gorans mostly live in Highland area like Montengrins and Albanians, so they would have relate with Montengrins.
they (gorans) like montengrins (crna gorans) have assimilated linguistically into slavic but not culturally.
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Post by raynon on Nov 28, 2008 15:56:54 GMT -5
There are Goranis in Eastern Albanian too. But I don't know why you call them Gorani, in Albania: Luma and Kukes, they are called Albanians. Not Goranis.
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Post by radovic on Nov 28, 2008 16:13:15 GMT -5
[ They are not of Albanian origin. The Gorani have a hatred for Albanians. They are of Slavic origin. They do not declare themselves Bosniak. They've never done this. They do not speak your language, they speak the Torlak dialect of Serbian -- in opther word, their speech is closer to Bulgarian/FYROMian then it is to your language. That's pure kaka. The majority of Gorani are Albanians and of Illyrian origins. They even named one of their villages after an Illyrian God they worshipped way back in 4000 BC, called Borea. In this village they have found rock drawings of snakes and goddess worship which all occured prior to 1400BC, before the dark ages in Ancient greece. So, radovic, eat kaakaa now and learn to study all the Gorani people before making such an asssss of yourself. There is no Gorani village named Borea. Gorani villages in Gora: Baèka, Brod, Vranište, Globoèica, Dikance, Dragaš, Zli potok, Krstac(oba), Kruševo, Kukaljane, Leštane, Ljubovište, Mlike, Oræuša, Radeša, Rapèa(obe), Restelica. Gorani villages in Albania: Pakiša, Orèiklje, Košarište, Orgosta, Zapod, Crnoljevo, Borje, Orešek, Šištevac. There seems to be no Gorani village named Borea as you claim. ^ You can look at the map of the region uploaded on wiki. The only one that comes close to being called Borea is Borje. All though Borje can have slavic origins also, and one such a name for the village does not prove it's origins.
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Post by radovic on Nov 28, 2008 16:14:03 GMT -5
There are Goranis in Eastern Albanian too. But I don't know why you call them Gorani, in Albania: Luma and Kukes, they are called Albanians. Not Goranis. Luma and Kukes aren't Gorani inhabited.
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Post by meltdown711 on Nov 28, 2008 16:17:06 GMT -5
Kukes has a small number of Gorani settlements. Shishtavec is in Kukes
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Post by srbobran on Nov 28, 2008 19:11:30 GMT -5
So do f**kin Gyspies are they Serbs? Having the ame custom or even language doesnt mean s**t.
Ok asshole then what the fuck exactly makes them Albanians or Bosniaks? If their culture and language are Serb, then tell me why the fuck are they Albanian?!
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Post by kapetan on Nov 28, 2008 19:23:51 GMT -5
What makes them Albanian background? their BLOOD AND ANCESTRY MAYBE? ? rofl damn idiot, nobody asked what culutral tradiitons do goranis have. they asked who do they descend from. and i said probly albanians and others as well. probly not just one group.
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Post by bog on Nov 28, 2008 19:38:09 GMT -5
Jebus christ!
in the south of Serbia, kosovo, north Albania, crna gora, i am sure that there is a huge mix in who is really an Albanian and who is really a slav...
what each and every goranian is I do not know. But as far as I understand they are Macedonian Muslims, and obviously most have converted fairly recently historically speaking, seen as they still have slava... and in kosovo, they ended up on the serbian side, wheter or not they were on the serbian side from the beggining, or ended up as serb allies after getting kicked out by albanian-nationalists, i do not know....
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Post by srbobran on Nov 28, 2008 19:52:40 GMT -5
Oh, their blood and ancestry. WHERE THE FVCK DID YOU GET THAT THEIR BLOOD AND ANCESTRY WAS ALBANIAN, fvcktard? You got genetic proof? Post it you, little prick and quit pulling facts out of your ass.
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Post by srbobran on Nov 28, 2008 19:54:59 GMT -5
Oh, their blood and ancestry. WHERE THE FVCK DID YOU GET THAT THEIR BLOOD AND ANCESTRY WAS ALBANIAN? You got genetic proof? Post it and quit pulling facts out of your ass!
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Post by bog on Nov 28, 2008 19:56:37 GMT -5
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Post by raynon on Nov 28, 2008 19:58:07 GMT -5
[ There seems to be no Gorani village named Borea as you claim. The only one that comes close to being called Borea is Borje. All though Borje can have slavic origins also, and one such a name for the village does not prove it's origins. Borje Borea, are pronounced the same and the thing that makes them Albanian is they speak it day and night...as do all the other villages of the Goranis. The other things that makes them Albanians and the original peoples of this land are the Rock/cave drawings of snakes and goddess worship Found in Borea/\Borje alone. Never mind the other villages. Along with the many snakes found up in their villages. And, another thing, during WW1, when serbs were massacring the people in North Eastern Albania: Luma Albanians, Borjejans/Boranis and other goranis were right by their side fighting serbs. So much for your f**king theory they're serb. They're not. Also, not bosnjaks either. And, all Borans who have moved onto other lands, they still keep their Albanian traditions, including their art work, clothing designs, carpet designs, songs, stories..etc. Now, radovic, f**k off and keep your assinine theories to yourself...
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