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Post by tito on Feb 19, 2009 13:40:50 GMT -5
The Bosnian presidency is planning to sell 22 JNA-airplanes and buy 6-8 new warplanes. Bosnian military experts have proposed these 4 alternatives: F16, Eurofighter, JAS 39 Gripen, MIG 29. Which ones should Bosnia buy and why? F16: Eurofighter: Gripen:
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Post by MiG on Feb 19, 2009 14:52:38 GMT -5
^ Do you have source where I can see the initial plans for purchase that were proposed to the parliament and accepted by the Ministry of Defense? Which 22 Ex-JRV Aircraft can be worth even a fraction of a single one of the jets above you've mentioned/posted pictures of? In any case, if anything, it will be the F-16's donated by either Turkey or another nation which is upgrading its own Air Force, but with the MLU like the RNLAF/KLu have, it seems improbable, or even impossible. In the case of the Eurofighter (EF-2000), it's very costly. 77.7 Million USD a unit, and those are the basic A/B Airframe Types and Variants. Even Austria is having trouble accepting that it cannot get it at a cheaper price, and they're only buying 9, and talking of ordering 6 more, to bring the total to 15. Take into account of comparison between BiH and Austria in terms of economic and military structuring, BiH wouldn't be able to afford 4, let along keep them air-worthy. Now, if such a plan, as you claim, is in place, and that BiH will monitor its own airspace.. Then the Gripen is the best solution, thus far. OSBiH doesn't even have a separate Chain of Command for an Air Force Regiment, let alone an Air Force. Purchasing the JAS-39 is the cheapest but smartest investment, as the Fighter/Attack Aircraft is the next "MiG-21" or "AK of the Skies". But even with the purchase, it will need to be given significant discounts, and with discounts comes under-performance; Features that the Czech or Hungarian AF's will have, that the BiH AF in the future might not have, if they decided to buy the Gripen. This comes at a price of overall durability and capability in Combat Situations, if need be to use it for such a thing. This doesn't just concern the Presidency, or the Parliament, or the Ministry of Defense. It concerns the entire nation, as it is an investment into something that is to be long term, and permanent. This is a decision that will take time (A whole lot of time, up to 4 years even; Just look at Croatia and the HRZiPZO Chief of Staff, and how long it took them to make the decision). Gripen FTW though. Sexy aircraft, and receives my vote.
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Post by Ja Ona i Pivo on Feb 19, 2009 15:14:34 GMT -5
Gripen ftw Right tito Swedish made
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Post by tito on Feb 19, 2009 16:17:46 GMT -5
^ Do you have source where I can see the initial plans for purchase that were proposed to the parliament and accepted by the Ministry of Defense? The ministry of defense has made the proposal to the presidency who have asked for some additional information, the parliament has not been involved so far. I don’t know, I guess they are selling everything old because of the NATO-membership-process and not the money. Serbia seems to be interested in those old planes, don’t know why. God bless the Turks, but what does MLU, RNLAF/KLu mean? Yes it seems too expressive, especially since they said that one airplane should cost 20-30 million US dollars. Croatia is a democracy, Bosnia is not so we spend money much faster then you, especially when they belong to someone else ;D As you said, they will probably choose the F16 especially if they can get them from Turkey..
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Post by MiG on Feb 19, 2009 17:00:22 GMT -5
Any articles for us to read? I'm genuinely interested, because this will for sure change the military positioning in the Balkans. Maybe domestic materials and plans. After all, the backbone of the Yugoslav Aeronautics Institute of Design and Technology (SOKO), was in Mostar, BiH. So they might want designs saved by BiH MoD, after most of the shit was destroyed by VRS in 1992. But even then, Belgrade has these plans and structural testing facilities. LoL, if God blessed the Turks, they wouldn't be so hated in our part of the world. Anyway.. MLU - Mid-Life Update RNLAF - Royal Netherlands Air Force KLu - Koninklijke Luchtmacht (Aviation Branch of the Dutch Armed Forces) An EF-2000? Wow, that deal is God send! Jebiga. Shit happens. Where did BiH get that money? The F-16's are getting old. That's why the MLU's are done.
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Post by boscrocop on Feb 19, 2009 17:14:38 GMT -5
As far as I know Serbia is going to get some of the Galebs and Orao's that the VRS used, and that were for a short period of time part of the OSBiH......
Anyways, getting 6 -8planes seems meaningless, I would rather get more AA systems.. Well, I would be extremly happy to see a Gripen or a MiG-29 with the Bosnian flag on it, but as of now that does not seem realistic to be honest....
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Post by tito on Feb 19, 2009 17:32:18 GMT -5
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Post by MiG on Feb 19, 2009 18:22:59 GMT -5
^ It's pretty genius to sell the aircraft you inherited, and make money off it. Anywho, it will be a while before anyone makes any kind of purchases.
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Post by Unleashed on Feb 19, 2009 18:37:23 GMT -5
What the hell does Bosnia need war planes for?
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Post by tito on Feb 19, 2009 18:50:34 GMT -5
What the hell does Bosnia need war planes for? ;D
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Post by vinjak on Feb 19, 2009 19:09:01 GMT -5
What the hell does Bosnia need war planes for?
To F%$k the economy more than it already is.
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Post by Unleashed on Feb 19, 2009 19:39:49 GMT -5
tito balija
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Post by tito on Feb 19, 2009 20:00:48 GMT -5
Sta ste se svi odma usrali, necemo vas bombardovati "bez velike nuzde" ;D
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Post by MiG on Feb 19, 2009 20:22:52 GMT -5
Getting the aircraft is more of a statement than anything else. What can you realistically do with 6-8 Fighter/Attack Aircraft? That's one, at best two, flight formations.
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Post by whateva on Feb 19, 2009 20:42:42 GMT -5
Its more of a requirement by NATO than anything else. I believe that we have to get at least those 6-8 fighter planes. As for purchase of those I think we might be waiting on Americans to start retiring their F-16 fleet and offer us some for free as long as we buy spare parts from them.
Turks will not offer us their F-16 fighters because they will be using them for a very long time to come. I read an article few years ago which mentioned that Turkey offered us a squadron of F-5 fighters and spare parts for them as long as we pay for the transport but our government rejected it because they couldn't pay for the upkeep of those fighters at that time.
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Post by karabin on Feb 19, 2009 22:18:36 GMT -5
this topic made me LOL. Bosnia is a disfunctional/dead country and barely has enough money so people don't starve and now they want to purchase multimillion dollar jet fighters!?! I honestly do not see this happening unless NATO donates some planes to the federation. Sorry tito but for a long long time this will be no more than a wet dream for you. But playing along with this fantasy I would vote for the MiG-29OVT aka MiG-35
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Post by karabin on Feb 19, 2009 22:52:07 GMT -5
Anyways, getting 6 -8planes seems meaningless, I would rather get more AA systems.. I totally agree with you here. None of these new banana balkan countries has an air force big and versatile enough so to overwhelm the AA defenses of any European country. 6-8 JAS-39 Grippen would be no problem for any AA defense force that has S-125 (SA-3), 2K12 Kub (SA-6) or alike. I won't even go into the S-300/400 and Patriot systems. So those 8 Grippens would be lost before you even knew what hit you. Furthermore it is cheaper to own and maintain AA systems than advanced jet fighters. During the 1999 NATO bombing of Serbia, Serbs kept the radars turned off as so not to lose them to enemy fire. Yes we would have shot down more planes but would have risked losing all radars and SAM sites as it is rather hard to defeat an air force consisting of 1000+ modern aircraft and anti radar weapons.
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Post by bihvojska on Feb 19, 2009 23:46:02 GMT -5
6-8 only dam we need more then that, how we can protect our selves from the serbian migs...j/k seriously tho that is a good idea, more planes.. :} no matter which long as it goes fast and it kills big.. :}
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Post by SKORIC on Feb 20, 2009 0:14:10 GMT -5
Are they planning to abolish RS with those planes?
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Post by bob1389 on Feb 20, 2009 0:22:58 GMT -5
lol.
Someone needs to inform the Bosnijaks that bananas are no longer an acceptable form of currency.
I mean, how else to they intend to pay for any of this?
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