Trazi Vise
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Post by Trazi Vise on Apr 10, 2009 7:04:55 GMT -5
You are an idiot, ASIO and the AFD are different entities. Get your facts right before posting bulls**t. I was talking about raids in the 60's and 70's not the 80's. Still there is no proof, what this article is basically insinuating is that the AFD and ASIO were in on some greater plan, that I don't know of. This article is incorrect and not really a good source. The Croatian Liberation Movement did exist, in many forms both here and abroad however whoever is in charge of these so called events and allegations we don't know :-)
Skoric stop calling certain people nazi's otherwise you will be edited and deleted.
If Serbia wasn't busy invading countries and killing innocent people bez veze then you wouldn't need people to stand up for themselves such as the ones you guys are questioning.
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Post by Novus Dis on Apr 10, 2009 7:24:31 GMT -5
Australia was using the Ustashi in order to destabilize Yugoslavia. Are you saying that Australia (which sent it's soldiers to Korea and Vietnam in order to stop Communist expansion) wouldn't wish to destabilize a Communist country? You're out of your mind, Illyria. Make excuses, I don't care. I'm done debating this issue with you and apologists like you.
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Post by Trazi Vise on Apr 10, 2009 7:28:50 GMT -5
Oh your claiming that they worked together to destabalise Yugo. I just fell of the chair in laughter rofl!!! Well as I said 10 times earlier, there is no real proof of that. In any case it wouldn't have taken them 40 years to do it. The Aussie govt has no power to destabalise anything in Europe. Yuga fell, there is no conspiracy theory to that. It's their own fault, no one elses so stop blaming Croats and far off lands like Aus.
Australia went to Korea to support the Americans in a wrong cause, you can't compare apples and oranges. You have a warped sense as I said before, of conspiracies.
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Post by Novus Dis on Apr 10, 2009 7:40:40 GMT -5
Answer me this: How many Ustashi have been convicted of terrorists acts within Australian territory?
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Post by Novus Dis on Apr 10, 2009 7:48:04 GMT -5
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Trazi Vise
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Post by Trazi Vise on Apr 10, 2009 8:00:49 GMT -5
I would guess very few, most Ustase are long gone, dead.
Yes you are making excuses bez veze for something that happened in Europe in the late 80's and early 90's on the disaspora and the small Australian goverment. In any case there is nothing to answer for, we have had peace for 14 years.
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Post by Novus Dis on Apr 10, 2009 8:27:38 GMT -5
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Post by Ja Ona i Pivo on Apr 10, 2009 8:42:21 GMT -5
I would guess very few, most Ustase are long gone, dead. Yes you are making excuses bez veze for something that happened in Europe in the late 80's and early 90's on the disaspora and the small Australian goverment. In any case there is nothing to answer for, we have had peace for 14 years. Aircraft hijackings in Bulltofta was a flighttaking, carried out by three Croats, which occurred on Friday September 15 to September 16, 1972. Hijacking was the first in Sweden, and contributed to the Swedish Parliament adopted terrorist Act 1973. The SAS-owned plane, DC-9: an Gundar Viking, with registration number LN-rlo, were on their way from Torslanda, Gothenburg, Sweden, to Stockholm when three armed Croats, led by Tomislav Rebrina, with links to Ustasja five minutes after take-off announced the four crew members and 86 passengers that the plane was hijacked and that as long as they took the quiet, they would cope with life. The men threatened that they had a bomb on board that would blown if they are not obeyed. Hijackers demanded a change of course, and landed the plane at 17.14 Bulltofta, Malmö. Passengers and crew members held hostage, and the hijackers demanded that seven in Sweden detained Croats, would be exchanged for their release. Otherwise, the hijackers would blow up the planet, they said. The seven prisoners were convicted for the murder of the Yugoslav ambassador Vladimir Rolovic in Sweden April 7, 1971 and occupation of Yugoslavia's consulate in Gothenburg in February 1971. Two of the prisoners, Miro Barešić and Andjelko Brajowic, serving life sentences for murder. // Google translator... LOL do i need to say more?
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Post by Trazi Vise on Apr 10, 2009 8:55:53 GMT -5
^^^ Where does it say they are from Australia? I still want evidence of this so called terrorism in the last 14 years...you can't provide it, case closed. If only America listened to us in the 60's rather than us listening to the Serbs, we would not even be having this bez veze convo.
Zadnji, in 2009, the so called Ustase have nothing to do with the Nazi's. We also did not help the Nazi's carry out their ideals in Germany. Ante is right, actually I saw him today...
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Post by Ja Ona i Pivo on Apr 10, 2009 9:00:41 GMT -5
^^^ Where does it say they are from Australia? I still want evidence of this so called terrorism in the last 14 years...you can't provide it, case closed. If only America listened to us in the 60's rather than us listening to the Serbs, we would not even be having this bez veze convo. Zadnji, in 2009, the so called Ustase have nothing to do with the Nazi's. We also did not help the Nazi's carry out their ideals in Germany. Ante is right, actually I saw him today... Ivanka de utupi jednom u tu tvoju tvrdoglavu glavu da srbi nemaju 1% veze sa tim sto vi radite. Kako uvjek cim neko sranje napravite srbi su tu da se krive. Sta god ste sjebali mi smo vam krivi. Isto kao i vase novine sto svaki ama bas SVAKI dan o srbiji i srbima pisu ko da ste neki od vas opsednuti sa nama? mislim pateticno je. Sta ce sledece biti? srbi krivi sto ustaski nogometni klub postoji.
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Post by Novus Dis on Apr 10, 2009 9:02:00 GMT -5
What?And since the Ustashi of today have the exact same ideals, goals and methods as the Ustashi of yesteryear... well let me put it this way: If it looks like a duck, sounds like a duck and smells like a duck then it's probably a duck.
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Post by Trazi Vise on Apr 10, 2009 9:06:29 GMT -5
Then why the fuck does this topic thread interest you , or for that matter this whole Croatia forum? Seriously f off then. I never blamed the Serbs for anything except thwarting natural history and holding back our freedoms. You guys are just pissed off that Yugoslavia has ended and you need to blame something or someone. Get over it and leave the countries exsist in peace and prosperity. We have enough to deal with internally than to also have to deal with people like you.
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Post by Ja Ona i Pivo on Apr 10, 2009 9:12:55 GMT -5
Then why the f**k does this topic thread interest you , or for that matter this whole Croatia forum? Seriously f off then. I never blamed the Serbs for anything except thwarting natural history and holding back our freedoms. You guys are just pissed off that Yugoslavia has ended and you need to blame something or someone. Get over it and leave the countries exsist in peace and prosperity. We have enough to deal with internally than to also have to deal with people like you. Have i said anything about croatia today? I thought this thread was about ustasa football team and ustase? Wich u seem to ideolize with.. Funny thing is that u seem to be OK with the result of what the ustasa did but the way to that result u are ignoring. oh happy 10 travanj duuh If only America listened to us in the 60's rather than us listening to the Serbs,
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Post by Novus Dis on Apr 10, 2009 9:13:26 GMT -5
I never blamed the Serbs for anything except thwarting natural history and holding back our freedoms. When, pray tell, did Serbs do this?
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Post by Trazi Vise on Apr 10, 2009 9:18:14 GMT -5
Fuck me Serbs are even dumber than what I though. I don't have responses for ignorant and stupid people.
Ich Bin, keep on putting words into my mouth rather than actually listening/reading properly (and I mean properly) to what I write. Not once here did I ever condone any wrong doings by any side.
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Post by MiG on Apr 10, 2009 9:39:51 GMT -5
^ Edited (Post Deleted) for double posting.
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Post by Ja Ona i Pivo on Apr 10, 2009 9:47:20 GMT -5
f**k me Serbs are even dumber than what I though. I don't have responses for ignorant and stupid people. Ich Bin, keep on putting words into my mouth rather than actually listening/reading properly (and I mean properly) to what I write. Not once here did I ever condone any wrong doings by any side. lol ivanka.. Im not gonna argue with u anymore. But atleast admitt that u are a pro-ustaskinja, i mean everyone can se this not just me. you cant pick and choose of 100 things that ustase did and then make ur own version of the history. Everyone on this board can se that theres something wrong with many of u aussie croats. Is the sun to strong or what? You are trying to be such a moderat croat and on the other side u welcome the 10 travanj thing wich i even didnt know what it was until i googled it, ooh and guess what came up. I dont know what u are but u remind me of nazis here in Sweden, they squezze their fist in the pocket and in their minds they killed all the jewst, but when confronted all the sudden they dont like the nazis. Heres some quotes from you:Also, the ustasa symbol is not a facist one. It was created long before NDH was connected in any way with the German allies. No 2, MPT is not and never was a Nazi or a member of any Nazi affiliated party. So we should use the swastika again, i mean it wasnt Nazi symbol to begin with. Yes the Germans eventually became the bad guys; however our constitution had nothing to do with the German's and the Ustasa history, establishment and theory had nothing to do with that German Nazi era. It was established long before Hitler could even walk :-)The Ustaša - Croatian Revolutionary Movement (Croatian: Ustaša - Hrvatski Revolucionarni Pokret), members known collectively as Ustaše, but sometimes anglicised as Ustashas or Ustashi) was a Croatian [1] and Nazi-like[2] movement. It engaged in terrorist activity before World War II[3] and ruled, under protection of the Fascist Italy and Nazi Germany, in part of Yugoslavia after that country was occupied by the Axis powers. As German forces withdrew from Yugoslavia in 1945, the Ustaše were defeated and expelled by the Yugoslav Partisans. You are an idiot. 10 ti Travanj was not founded on a massacre or mass killing. Idiot you are once again. www.studiacroatica.org/bol2008/20080410_davorin.htmPonovno smo se sastali u našem HAKK da zajedno proslavimo 67. obljetnicu uspostave Nezavisne Države Hrvatske, slavnog 10. Travnja 1941 u Zagrebu, glavnom gradu Hrvatske. Taj dan vojskovodja Slavko Kvaternik u ime Poglavnika dra. Ante Pavelića i ustaškog revolucionarnog pokreta najavio je čitavom hrvatskom narodu i svijetu da od tog dana Hrvatska prekida sve političke i ekonomske veze sa Kraljevinom Jugoslavijom tada u razpadu nakon Beogradskok “puča“ i napada njemačke vojske. E fino da ste tu stali nebi vam niko nista rekao nego ste ubili bog zna koliko civila. Mislim na Ustase i njihove simpatizere, ne obicne Hrvate. I pitas se sto mi mislimo da si ti pro ustasa.? kako da sve te datume i desavanja i what not se desilo pocetkom WW2? Slucajnost jeli? Mislim ako taj deseti travanj nije o tome objasni mi ti slobodno. Ja nisam ovde nista naveo sto ja licno znam nego sto sam naso na internetu ali ti mozda to bolje znas? Yeah they were Yugoslav lol just like your brother Croats were Yugloslav.Nisi ti bila jugoslovenka uopste niti gradjanin Hrvatske tako da... i za kraj. ako vam je taj 10 travanj tako drag i legitiman, sto ga ne slavi hrvatski narod. vec moram traziti ustaske klipove po youtubu i slicno da bi znao sta je 10 travanj. Mislim sta reci..
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Post by Novus Dis on Apr 10, 2009 9:49:52 GMT -5
I cannot expect a better demeanour from a hypocrite who idolizes another hypocrite so I'll forgive you this time, Illyria.
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Post by Trazi Vise on Apr 10, 2009 9:57:11 GMT -5
^You clearly do not know my personality then. When I say something I say it with passion and meaning. There are no double meanings and hypocracy.
IchBin, it has nothing to do with Australia, You will find many flavours of Croats around the world. Each individual is not the same.
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Post by Novus Dis on Apr 10, 2009 10:25:24 GMT -5
You hold Ustasha ideals yet you have relations with non-Croats... much like your idol, Pavelic.
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