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Post by kasso on Apr 24, 2008 9:30:03 GMT -5
Albania once had 90 per cent of Montenegro
Montenegro occupied Albanian territory
Montenegro should give back the occupied territory
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Post by terroreign on Apr 24, 2008 10:13:43 GMT -5
Actually its the other way around, Montenegro used to have like 40% of albania, all the way to Benat even...
You want tuzi? Give us Shkodra first.
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Kanaris
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Post by Kanaris on Apr 24, 2008 10:39:34 GMT -5
What are you guys going to do with more territory... it's a waste...
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Post by kasso on Apr 24, 2008 11:02:51 GMT -5
Actually its the other way around, Montenegro used to have like 40% of albania, all the way to Benat even... You want tuzi? Give us Shkodra first. What a complete lie. Montenegrins didn't even live in those territories which Montenegro occupied. Montenegro used to be a very little country with almost nothing .
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Post by ILIRI I MADH on Apr 24, 2008 12:40:39 GMT -5
Shkodra is and was always Albanian since illyrian times
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Post by terroreign on Apr 24, 2008 13:36:57 GMT -5
Yea, while you were a Turkish province...budalo
Always did and always will, some of my family comes from Plav, been there last summer and no Albos to see, everyone Montenegrin & just speak slavic. Even Gusinje has barely any of you...
It was Montenegrin in ancient times(1000 years ago), and it was Montenegrin 100 years ago(1913-1915), we gave it back to you after....be thankful
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Post by ILIRI I MADH on Apr 24, 2008 18:57:27 GMT -5
you gave it back to us? it was illyrian and 100 years ago it was held occupied by slavicized illyrians, now its back to the right owners again, ILLYRIANS!
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Post by terroreign on Apr 24, 2008 19:09:29 GMT -5
If you're such illyrians, why didn't you name your country Illyria? Why Shqiperia?? Why not Iliria (Land of the free)?
Strange no? Did some eagles come along and annex illyria, and renamed it land of the eagles lol
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Post by ILIRI I MADH on Apr 24, 2008 19:20:01 GMT -5
If you're such illyrians, why didn't you name your country Illyria? Why Shqiperia?? Why not Iliria (Land of the free)? Strange no? Did some eagles come along and annex illyria, and renamed it land of the eagles lol because illyria is not a albanian word and it doesnt mean land of the free, it was used on us by the foreigners, we were just a bunch of tribes that called ourselves arberesh (see also arbnor-arbanite-arnaut) we started calling ourselves shqipetar after skanderbeg came and beat the shit out of the turks!
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Post by PrijesDardanian on Apr 24, 2008 19:28:51 GMT -5
Ilir e dhive fare
Illyria (Ylliria) is albanian word and mean Land of Stars, first illyrian king was hyllus (Star) also second king was Bardhyllus (White Star)
you must ask also Italians why they dont call themself Romans or Turks (Osmans).
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Post by terroreign on Apr 24, 2008 20:12:53 GMT -5
Ilir - According to what I heard, Lir means free, I-lir-ia, Free land, no?
And why the hell would you name yourselfs shqiptars because of Skanderbeg? He was called the Dragon of Albania, not eagle.
And according to ancient sources the people called themselves illyrians...arberesh/albanian or whatever is just a foreign word some swedish guy brought up when he visited albania, went to Elbasan, Mispronounced the name and called the whole place "Albania"...
prijes - about the italians good point, still there is enough information and evidence to support they are descendended from romans, like turks from the ottomans ect
Illyrian words and sentences have been located, few matches with albanian but not much understanding, why?
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Post by kasso on Apr 25, 2008 4:43:40 GMT -5
terroreign,
Why do you wan't to steal Albanian culture and history. You have even claimed that Scanderbeg was an Montenegrin.
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Post by terroreign on Apr 25, 2008 8:19:38 GMT -5
I never claimed Skanderbeg was montenegrin, he's albanian...
I'm just saying that Albanians aren't anymore illyrian than Montenegrins, maybe your language is a bit closer, but still not the same as illyrian..
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Post by kasso on Apr 25, 2008 8:26:13 GMT -5
The origin of Albanians remains a mystery, however there are theories which links them to the ancient Illyrians. Montenegrins however cannot claim direct descendants of the Illyrian people because of one simple reason that they are Slavs.
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Post by terroreign on Apr 25, 2008 8:30:58 GMT -5
We can't claim direct descendents, okay, and so can't albanians Noones really direct descendents of anyone, people are so mixed you cant say something like that... Weren't you the same one totally denying that Modern Greeks are the direct descendents of the Ancient Greek?? And they can pretty much understand ancient greek , imagine how much different albanians are from illyrians now...
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Post by kasso on Apr 25, 2008 12:26:39 GMT -5
You have to understand the complex conception "direct descendent". The modern Greeks for example preserved the cultural Greek identity and language, so did even the Albanian people which preserved the Albanian language and cultural identity. Ethnicity have a minor role in defining a people, you can't simply ignore the language, culture and traditions. Montegrins may very well have Illyrian background but they have totally lost the Illyrian mother tongue and identity and so even the right to claim direct descendent to the Illyrians. Montegrins speak a Slavic language and have a Slavic identity. As for Albanians, they speak a language which derive from the ancient Balkans, and have an ethnic and cultural identity which separates them from the Slavs and the Greks.
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Post by terroreign on Apr 25, 2008 13:00:14 GMT -5
^^First off you did not preserve the albanian language, considering every other word is turkish or latin based
Second, the Montenegrin language has kept 3 old sounds, 1 of which in common with Albanians, the "Q".
And albanians lost that illyrian identity after they stopped calling themselves and country ilyria and instead birds.
Yes we speak a slavic language, but slavic identity? There is no slavic identity here, when czechloslovakians or polish come to Montenegro they are looked at as bigger foreigners than albanians.
The point being, alot of evidence shows we both descend from ancient illyrians, but at the same time, both of our cultures changed alot since then and as such cannot fully claim sole descendence from them.
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Post by kasso on Apr 25, 2008 13:06:06 GMT -5
terroreign
Albanians kept their cultural identity and language, they didn't lost it because they started calling themselves something else. Is like say that Swedes aren't the descendants of the Vikings just because they started to call themselves Swedes.
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Post by terroreign on Apr 25, 2008 13:37:09 GMT -5
^^Why is your language still very different from illyrian?
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Post by kasso on Apr 25, 2008 14:42:54 GMT -5
the Illyrian language is an extinct language and have left a few traces,
Albanians strongest claim to Illyrian descendant is in fact the language, the few words can be translated in Albanian, as for example Dardania which peer in Albanian and also Taulantia which means a type of bird
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