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Post by ILIRI I MADH on Jun 27, 2009 22:34:56 GMT -5
Profesori i Universitetit së Athinës Nikos Dimou në intervistë në NY Times(gazeta më e madhe në Amerikë) për Muzeun të ri të Athinës deklaroi që grekët të sotshëm flisnin shqip dhe skanë lidhje me greket të lashtë. “It’s the fault of*german,” Mr. Dimou said about Greek pride in this cause. He was referring to Johann Winckelmann, the 18th-century German art historian whose vision of an ancient Greece “populated by beautiful, tall, blond, wise people, representing perfection,” as Mr. Dimou put it, was in a sense imposed on the country to shape modern Greek identity. “ We used to speak Albanian and call ourselves Romans, but then Winckelmann, Goethe, Victor Hugo, Delacroix, they all told us, ‘No, you are Hellenes, direct descendants of Plato and Socrates,’ and that did it. If a small, poor nation has such a burden put on its shoulders, it will never recover.” Përkthim: Është faji i një gjermani, thot z.Dimou për kokëfortësinë e grekëve në këtë çeshtje. Dimou fliste për Johann Winckelmann, historian gjerman të arteve të shekullit të 18, vizioni i së cilit për “një Greqi të lashtë të popullsuar nga njerez të bukur, të gjatë, të urtë që reprezantonin perfeksionin”, si z.Dimou tha ishte imponuar te shteti grek që të krijoj indetitetin modern grek. “Ne flisnim shqip dhe quanim vetveten Bizantine”, por athere Winckelmann, Goethe, Victor Hugo, Delacroix,, të tërë na thanë, “Jo, ju jeni Grekë, pasardhës direktë të Platonit e Sokratit”, dhe athere filluan problemet. Por kurrë një komb i vogël dhe i varfër ka një ngarkesë të tillë mbi supet e tija, kurrë nuk do shërohet. Marrë nga: www.nytimes.com/2009/06/24/arts/design/24abroad.html?_r=4&pagewanted=2
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Post by Kanaris on Jun 27, 2009 22:57:59 GMT -5
Aren't you guys embarassed at all.... I think I will start calling you Fyromians II. Sleep tight with your wet dreams...
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Post by ilirdardani on Jun 27, 2009 23:37:14 GMT -5
^ It's true Kanaris, half of Greece is Albanian, I know deep down in your heart its hard to admit it, but that's the truth, god knows, and the Greeks know.
It's not like we're claiming your country, you can have it, you were born there, but admit who you were before, who your ancestors were and where they came from.
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Post by leshte on Jun 27, 2009 23:37:16 GMT -5
Shouldn't the Greek professor in this case be embarrassed since he made the claims? As for wet dreams go ahead an ask him if he has them. Talking about vulgarity. Such vulgarity coming from your mouth Kanaris. It makes my skin crawl and wonder about the education your parents gave you. What example are you setting for the young people who read this forum. ;D
As for the rest; its BS. People moved back then, intermingled; there were no strict borders. So could some people have spoken Albanian back then in parts of Greece. Sure they could. People were on the move and settled on all corners of the peninsula. I don't think however one can claim from that thet Greeks spoke Albanian. Its not wise and logical, I think.
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Post by Kanaris on Jun 28, 2009 0:44:44 GMT -5
Okay all this Albanian and not a mention of it between 0 and 1250 ad.... some funny chit right here.
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Post by ngadhnjyesi on Jun 28, 2009 1:00:05 GMT -5
Aren't you guys embarassed at all.... I think I will start calling you Fyromians II. Sleep tight with your wet dreams... Dude what are you talking about? Neither the person who made that statement nor the newspaper that is publishing has got anything to do with the Albanians.
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Post by monsterofsouli on Jun 28, 2009 1:06:42 GMT -5
Did Albanians even fight a single war beween the year 0 and 1250 or were they hibernating in caves waiting for 1200 years to come back out of the caves as muslims with names like Mehment, SELIM, Osman etc... How can us Greeks be Albanians since you guys claim that you were so isolated and able to keep your genes so pure??? How is this possible? Your versions of history just dont make sense.
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Post by Kanaris on Jun 28, 2009 1:18:35 GMT -5
The idiot that made the report is a closet Alb....
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Post by Lib-Fier on Jun 28, 2009 2:34:42 GMT -5
closet alb...like 50% of greeks? dude stop trying to downplay our undeniable presence in the balcans, is it a story concocted by albanians? how's this albanian propaganda?? stop living in denial and claiming we were never mentioned until the 12 centuary, its getting old. i just don't want you to ive the rest of your days on denial, i mean you ain't got much to go really.
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Post by Lib-Fier on Jun 28, 2009 2:41:57 GMT -5
Did Albanians even fight a single war beween the year 0 and 1250 or were they hibernating in caves waiting for 1200 years to come back out of the caves as muslims with names like Mehment, SELIM, Osman etc... How can us Greeks be Albanians since you guys claim that you were so isolated and able to keep your genes so pure??? How is this possible? Your versions of history just dont make sense. why don't you respond to the GREEK author of that article and don't take it out on us, wounded pride is a biach, i don't think its in your interest to describe us a cave people given that evidently 50% of greeks are camouflged albanians!
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Post by Patrinos on Jun 28, 2009 5:09:06 GMT -5
Nikos Dimou a proffesor of Athens University?? He studied philosophy and french philology and he is a part time journalist-blogger and advertiser.........he got known as a writer with his book " The apology of an Anthellen"... Btw Arvanites were not more than the 5% of the Greek population of Balkans and Minor Asia.
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Post by Kastorianos on Jun 28, 2009 6:24:34 GMT -5
lol...this topic reminds me of my first days in Illyria forums...6 years ago or something...thats what we were arguing about back then...
This old albanian claim...is bulls.hit. Arvanites (if you make the albanians) are just a small minority....guys...you are a small people...why cant you confine yourselves to your borders...thats what you are...and no inch more..
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Post by Kassandros on Jun 28, 2009 6:28:46 GMT -5
First, by saying that 50% of the Greeks are Albanians... most propably you mean the Arvanites who are no more than 5% of the population and they're all located around Attica. In Macedonia, Thessaly, Thrace and Creta I doubt there is even one Arvanitis.. Second.. all that 5% would be Albanians... if they THEMSELVES said they were Albanians. What we have here is 1-2 Arvanites like Dimou or Kolias and some forum members saying Arvanites are not Greeks. The problem is that the other 99,99% of the Arvanites believes they're. Now.. what are we gonna believe? the 000000,1% or.. the rest? And if we believe that.. then why not to believe the 2,600 voters of Rainbow who say they're "suppresssed Macedonians"... and ignore the rest 2,5 million ones who oppose that stupidity? ..and if we believe both... then why Democracy and the rights of the many.... is needed?
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Post by ngadhnjyesi on Jun 28, 2009 9:40:45 GMT -5
These may the be the 5 most inarticulate posts by Greek posters in the history of this forum. I can't wait for the likes of Pirro and Karta to chime in with their .00002 cents.
Always wondered what a Greek's worst nightmare would be and being Albanian has gotta be in top two or three right behind being a Turk.
Yassou AlbanoHellenes Malakas.
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Post by Aris on Jun 28, 2009 10:24:47 GMT -5
Profesori i Universitetit së Athinës Nikos Dimou në intervistë në NY Times(gazeta më e madhe në Amerikë) për Muzeun të ri të Athinës deklaroi që grekët të sotshëm flisnin shqip dhe skanë lidhje me greket të lashtë. “It’s the fault of*german,” Mr. Dimou said about Greek pride in this cause. He was referring to Johann Winckelmann, the 18th-century German art historian whose vision of an ancient Greece “populated by beautiful, tall, blond, wise people, representing perfection,” as Mr. Dimou put it, was in a sense imposed on the country to shape modern Greek identity. “ We used to speak Albanian and call ourselves Romans, but then Winckelmann, Goethe, Victor Hugo, Delacroix, they all told us, ‘No, you are Hellenes, direct descendants of Plato and Socrates,’ and that did it. If a small, poor nation has such a burden put on its shoulders, it will never recover.” Përkthim: Është faji i një gjermani, thot z.Dimou për kokëfortësinë e grekëve në këtë çeshtje. Dimou fliste për Johann Winckelmann, historian gjerman të arteve të shekullit të 18, vizioni i së cilit për “një Greqi të lashtë të popullsuar nga njerez të bukur, të gjatë, të urtë që reprezantonin perfeksionin”, si z.Dimou tha ishte imponuar te shteti grek që të krijoj indetitetin modern grek. “Ne flisnim shqip dhe quanim vetveten Bizantine”, por athere Winckelmann, Goethe, Victor Hugo, Delacroix,, të tërë na thanë, “Jo, ju jeni Grekë, pasardhës direktë të Platonit e Sokratit”, dhe athere filluan problemet. Por kurrë një komb i vogël dhe i varfër ka një ngarkesë të tillë mbi supet e tija, kurrë nuk do shërohet. Marrë nga: www.nytimes.com/2009/06/24/arts/design/24abroad.html?_r=4&pagewanted=2Read it Koqe "Kanari" ! We enter in History with Turk names ? Our first leader name was Dhimitër Progoni(Dhimitër I) , Prince of Albania ! Retards !
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Post by Patrinos on Jun 28, 2009 10:33:17 GMT -5
By the way, what Progoni means?
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Post by Kanaris on Jun 28, 2009 11:28:59 GMT -5
I will say a prayer for some albanians...... mental illness is a terrible disease.
BTW... arvanites were 100% Greek.
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Post by ilirdardani on Jun 28, 2009 11:39:09 GMT -5
^ No they weren't, they say they are Greek now, just like the rest of the Albos in Greece, because Greece as a state makes them do that, you either become a Greek by adding few ises ases or whatever else they add to last names, or remain a immigrant. Majority of Albos did change their names, therefore becoming traitors in my eyes for changing their identity and accepting the crap from the Greek govt.
And about Albs not being mentioned for that period of time you're asking all I have to say is that we've been mentioned for thousands of years, even by your Greek historians, which knew the real history, lot of them hid it and re-created it by saying different shit and not mentioning Albs, but we've been in the Balkans just about as long as the Greeks have been, and I would bet my life that we're more ancient than you guys, which mixed with Turks and other middle eastern types (iran etc) since they always crossed your 'land' to try and invade europe.
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Post by Kanaris on Jun 28, 2009 12:02:13 GMT -5
Find me something about Albos from the dark ages.
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Post by Patrinos on Jun 28, 2009 12:28:15 GMT -5
Find me something about Albos from the dark ages. Take something ancient ;D...
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