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Post by ilirdardani on May 27, 2009 10:17:46 GMT -5
Albania's poverty levels in declinePoverty in Albania decreased significantly between 2002 and 2009, according to a new study. It found that the number of Albanians living below the poverty line shrank from 25.4% in 2002 to 12.4% in 2008. The research was conducted by the Albanian Institute of Statistics, the World Bank and the United Nations Development Programme (UNDP). There were around 800,000 poor people in 2002, but more than half of them -- 435,000 -- rose out of poverty by 2008, according to the study. Poverty has dropped dramatically in rural areas, and real consumption has been on the rise across the country, increasing 7% since 2005. "Broad areas of Albania continue to witness declining poverty rates," a World Bank press release said. "The central areas have had the largest reduction in poverty rates since 2005." Reasons for the positive trend include high GDP growth, economic reforms, expanded infrastructure and better governance, the study said. Prime Minister Sali Berisha's centre-right administration claims credit. "Poverty reduction … shows the success of reforms undertaken by the government," Integration Minister Majlinda Bregu told a press conference. Opposition parties, however, say the news is not all good. They point to disparities among various regions and populations. "Regional income inequality for each family is high in Albania. Poverty in Lezha district reaches 31%, in Kukes 37% and Diber 41%, which are above the national average," said the Socialist Party's Ervin Bushati, referring to the country's three northern mountainous areas. Indeed, the study found that poverty reduction in mountainous areas has not kept up with the rest of the country. "The data indicate a noticeable slowdown in the rate of poverty reduction in mountain areas, where the incidence continues to be the highest and which has seen little change since 2005," the World Bank said. The study relied primarily on data from living standard measurement surveys collected in April-June 2002, May-July 2005, and June-August 2008 from a sample of nearly 3,600 households. The results do not reflect the impact of the current global financial crisis. World Bank and UNDP representatives warn that the drop in poverty could be halted or reversed if appropriate measures are not taken. The IMF has signaled harder times may be ahead for Albania by forecasting a GDP growth decrease to 0.4% this year from 6.8% in 2008.
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Post by L0gjICK on May 27, 2009 10:48:53 GMT -5
Albania is showing good signs of economic progress in all aspects it seems, however, this World Crisis will catch up to them sooner or later. I would imagine around 50% of the Economy is dependent from monies of the diaspora and a negative trickle down effect is bound to happen.
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Post by captainalbania on May 27, 2009 16:32:52 GMT -5
There's no debt in Albania so there's no credit crunch = no recession. Everyone pays for shit in cash = no 30 year debt slaves like in USA.
I doubt Albania will feel much of anything since we were not living beyond our means like everyone in the West who was living on someone else's money.
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Post by captainalbania on May 27, 2009 16:38:34 GMT -5
quick note:
Free Healthcare
Free Education
no debt
carefree coffee house culture. -----------------
why the hell did we ever leave?
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Post by insomniac on May 27, 2009 16:46:29 GMT -5
First of all when the West loans money, the people in the west have to work for it. And so goes the cycle.
Free Healthcare
Free Education
no debt
carefree coffee house culture. -----------------
why the hell did we ever leave?
For me life is more than drinking coffee. ;D
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Post by ngadhnjyesi on May 27, 2009 18:56:31 GMT -5
quick note: Free Healthcare Free Education no debt carefree coffee house culture. ----------------- why the hell did we ever leave? Agree with everything but the Free Healthcare. We left for one and one reason only, freedom to travel. If I was able to travel to Europe and maybe work there seasonally I would have never left Albania.
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Post by donnie on May 27, 2009 19:23:27 GMT -5
I don't know, it seems many people who cheer for PS & Rama in the upcoming elections, base their arguments solely on badmouthing Berisha, and not smth else. Yet here, we see OBVIOUS trends towards positive development in all stratas of society ever since PD won. It says so even in the article;
"Reasons for the positive trend include high GDP growth, economic reforms, expanded infrastructure and better governance, the study said"
I am a northerner, but I am not one of those regionalists. Personally, I'd prefer if Berisha resigned early on, in '97 even, po te kishte fytyre. To me, it doesn't matter of the solution comes from the actions of @ gjirokastrit or a tropojas, a korcar or a shkodran. Different shades of the same shyt. I am interested in results. PD has given Albania a lift, it has reduced poverty and fought corruption, lifted the economy and invested significiantly in infrastructure ... what did PS seriously do? Edi Rama making parts of Tirana look like Havanna doesn't quite do it for me ...
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Post by filomen on May 28, 2009 5:14:59 GMT -5
mmm Doni, I dont think so, Berisha gov. was the same what was Nano gov. If Nano would win the elektions on 2005 the way of albania would be the same, I mean same development same corruption like today, nothing more, but we (perfshire mua) vote berisha in 2005 cose he promise no corruption impruving of way life ( drita e uje te pakten per 24 ore) conclusion: po shprehem ne shqip se e kam me te lehte (jetoj ne itali) corrupsioni vazhdon te jete me ritme te njejta, nqs doja te gjeja nje vend pune po spate miq harroje edhe po e pate mikun po ta hoqen nga drejtor apo minister ike edhe ti bashke me te (edhe pa u ndryshuar partia ne pushtet) sepse miqesia ka ndryshuar nga partiake ne klane, drita e uje leshte e karit njesoj si me pare plus na dalin ca Gerdeca e Fazliça qe ne njerzit e thjeshte nuk i kuptojme dmth nuk i prekim me dore si dritat apo ujin pastaj per te levizur lirisht njesoj si me pare kur ti doje trapi evropes se per kta qe jane ne pushtet vari jepi. Edi Rama nuk di cfare te them per berishen ti thashe edhe po te ishte Nano do behej autostrada Tirane Prishtine po me te njejtat vjedhje nga 480 milione vajti 1 miliard e ca e shkreta rruge, pershendetje
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Post by donnie on May 28, 2009 8:15:30 GMT -5
Filomen,
Fjalet e tua bien ndesh me raportet shkencore qe te gjitha po e thone te njejten gje; qe Shqiperia ka ulur nivelin e korrupsionit si dhe te varferise! Kjo s'domethene se gjithcka eshte mbare, por sadopak eshte nje ndryshim i madh qe nga koha kur socialistet ishin ne pushtet. Nuk me bind argumenti se "gjithe kjo do te ishte bere pavaresisht se kush do te ishte ne pushtet" -- politikanit dhe politikes se urte duhet t'i jipen komplimente, sikurse duhet te kene pergjegjesi kur bejne gabime. Te gjitha keto reforma qe po e ndihmojne vendin, pse nuk ndodhin kur ishin socialistet ne pushtet, por mu tani?
Nejse, thjesht dua te them se mbeshtes fushaten e PD'se per te vetmen arsye se po sjellin rezultate dhe asgje tjeter.
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Post by ilirdardani on May 28, 2009 9:41:51 GMT -5
Nejse, thjesht dua te them se mbeshtes fushaten e PD'se per te vetmen arsye se po sjellin rezultate dhe asgje tjeter. Same here. We had 8 years of Socialist rule, and nothing happened, millions were stolen, and outside of Tirana, the rest of the country wasn't even touched. (investments, etc)
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Post by ngadhnjyesi on May 28, 2009 11:27:14 GMT -5
The only reason I want Berisha out is because I am of the belief that Rama will do a better job at moving us closer to Europe. Berisha was a necessary evil 4 years ago but his time has come. I also believe in the rotation of the parties because the second term turns out to be a disaster as it is "mandate" to steal for 4 more years.
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Post by Kanaris on May 28, 2009 12:06:56 GMT -5
Yea..but Melty doesn't want Albania closer to Europe..and you support him..sheeesh,make up your mind.
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Post by todhrimencuri on May 28, 2009 12:30:04 GMT -5
Zoti agrees with me over issues concerning out southern neighbor. And I, at least I believe, he has the typical Euro-skepticism many Albs from Tirana have, even though they want to be closer to Europe. I, on the otherhand, am different from other Albs. If Im not liked, I dont care to be liked. I am not willing to sell my heritage and that of my ancestors for mere Euro.
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Post by leshte on May 28, 2009 12:38:11 GMT -5
Donnie to tell you the truth I didn't expect that comment from you. We don't want Rama to win because we wanna badmouth Berisha. First of all if you lived in Tirana prior to when Rama became mayor and after, the differences are huge. Those who have been away from Albania can't comprehend that. Rama's style of governing is copied now from both PD and PS mayors all over the country. He was given the prize the best mayor in the world 3-4 years ago. Now when you see these achievements you have to keep in mind how they were achieved. When PS was in charge he had Fatos Nano the prime minister against him ( no funds for the city from the govt.) because Rama wanted to head the PS party. When PD came to power he had Sali Berisha aginst him (no funds to the city because when elections came anything the mayor did he could use it for the electoral campaign, that's Sali's logic). Now let me talk about all the criminals who he destroyed the buildings that had no permits and deeds to build roads, plant trees, build parks.
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Post by ngadhnjyesi on May 28, 2009 12:55:06 GMT -5
Zoti agrees with me over issues concerning our southern neighbor. And I, at least I believe, he has the typical Euro-skepticism many Albs from Tirana have, even though they want to be closer to Europe. I, on the otherhand, am different from other Albs. If Im not liked, I dont care to be liked. I am not willing to sell my heritage and that of my ancestors for mere Euro. Tbh I'm not very sceptical of Europe and I think most of my generation who grew up in Communist Albania are not either. We may have been at one point sceptical (especially of the French) but the Europeans came to our side big time in the Kosova conflict so any scepticism on my part at least has vanished. We see ourselves as part of the Euro family and our ultimate goal is to become a member of the EU. It is such a strong desire that at times reeks of desperation but it is what it is. I don't think anyone is willing to sell our heritage for membership in the EU but if by heritage you mean our Moslem part perhaps some are willing to make that trade, myself included. Although I tell everyone I know I am a Moslem, I never ever felt like one. I do cherish my Bektashi heritage, but consider myself as a secular European more than anything else.
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Post by insomniac on May 28, 2009 13:08:31 GMT -5
Nejse, thjesht dua te them se mbeshtes fushaten e PD'se per te vetmen arsye se po sjellin rezultate dhe asgje tjeter. Same here. We had 8 years of Socialist rule, and nothing happened, millions were stolen, and outside of Tirana, the rest of the country wasn't even touched. (investments, etc) And you think now millions are not stolen?
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Post by leshte on May 28, 2009 13:50:21 GMT -5
Also after they destroyed institution in 97 and later on after Hajdari's death with the destruction of the institutions by PD who do you think had to rebuild them. Restore faith in the public, restore faith in the international community. Everything had to start from zero. We (as a country) had to make sure the international community saw us as trustful. What was PD doing meantime- boycoting the parliament and throwing molotov coctails at the government buildings. This is the stuff that most of you who didn't live in Tirana at that time didn't see. Se nuk keni pare juve te rrini per qefin tuaj ne sheshin Skenderbej dhe Sala me huliganet e tij mbrapa gati sa nuk te vrasin. Keto nuk i harroj kurre, se pikerisht ne diten kur do varrosej Azemi me eshte dashur te bej sprint per kilometra qe ti shpetoj plumbave dhe huliganeve te Sales. Nje cope nxenes qe kishte dale per qef ne qender te Tiranes te kete frike se do vritet nga ish Presidenti dhe horrat e tij. Uroj qe edhe te tjere te mos i harrojne kurre keto. Le te mundohet Sala apo edhe ju ketu ta mbuloni mutin me shurre sa te doni. Sali Berisha eshte nje diktator i paskrupullt qe nuk heziton te rrezikoje jete te pafajshme per te hypur ne karrige. Nejse, after the institutions stabilized and Albania had restored faith, Nano manipulated the elections with the "Dushk" phenomena and Sala won. If Nano was not in power then he thought Edi Rama shouldn't be in power. Let his twin brother Sali take it. E njejta gje me zgjedhjen e Topit si president. U blene deputet e Nanos me 10 mije dollare per ti dhene voten Topit, se Sala nuk deshte president kompromisi si Alfred Mojsiu, se Mojsiu ishte aq atdhetar dhe aq i zgjuar so mos e cante trapin per gjerat qe deshte Sala por te ndiqte vetem kushtetuten. Alfred Mojsiu meqe ra fjala u propozua si president nga Sali Berisha, i njejti Sali Berisha qe nuk i la Mojsiut njeri shpie pa share. (Topi dhe Nano jane takuar disa here para gjate votimit ne parlament per president, pse?) Now that the institutions are stabilized Sali Berisha can borrow and borrow and borrow and steal and steal and steal, and here and there build something to show for the millions he borrowed and stolen.
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Post by todhrimencuri on May 28, 2009 14:17:38 GMT -5
Exactly. And I think that is horrible and sad. Europe should accept us as we are. If we were bordering closer to Turkey, I guarantee you they would reject us like they rejected them, however we are in an unmistakable part of Europe (a very important zone at that since our land where the road to the east began) and we have a small enough population not to be a "threat", so to reject us would clearly be a show of racism and Islamophobia.
However, dont mistake Europe's acceptance of Kosova as anything "kind hearted". They did it because America told them to. They couldnt give a rats ass about Kosova and I bet you a million dollars the average European (especially as you get more and more eastern, but French and Spain included) would support the Serbs.
My personal view is that Albanians shouldnt trade anything to Christian racist fascists....
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Post by leshte on May 28, 2009 14:32:57 GMT -5
Toskali edhe ti me kete punen e feve po behesh bajat o burr. Shumica e shqiptareve nuk e cajn menderen per fene, qofte kristiane qofte myslimane. Evropa ne shumicen e rrasteve ka qene kurve e keqe per ne por kur ke armiq anembane duhet te behesh pjese e ca klubeve qe te marresh vesh cfar po thuret kunder nesh, qe te japesh opinionin tend dhe qe te njoftosh dhe kerkosh ndihme nga aleatet e tu, shyqyr zotit Amerika eshte ne anen tone. Si puna jone ne lidhjen Islamike. I pe ato bucet cbene para nje jave? Megjithese nuk jemi vend fetar duhet hyre ne organizma te tille se anembane botes keta armiqte tane shekullore thurin plane te keqija per ne, edhe me ata qe ti i quan te denje (vende myslimane ne ligen myslimane). Duhet ti mbajme syte e veshet hapur ngado e kudo, prandaj hyme ne NATO prandaj do hyjme ne EU.
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Post by ngadhnjyesi on May 28, 2009 14:35:03 GMT -5
Exactly. And I think that is horrible and sad. Europe should accept us as we are. If we were bordering closer to Turkey, I guarantee you they would reject us like they rejected them, however we are in an unmistakable part of Europe (a very important zone at that since our land where the road to the east began) and we have a small enough population not to be a "threat", so to reject us would clearly be a show of racism and Islamophobia. However, dont mistake Europe's acceptance of Kosova as anything "kind hearted". They did it because America told them to. They couldnt give a rats ass about Kosova and I bet you a million dollars the average European (especially as you get more and more eastern, but French and Spain included) would support the Serbs. My personal view is that Albanians shouldnt trade anything to Christian racist fascists.... I only care about the Albanian part of my heritage not the religious one. The only heritage I am not willing to trade is the Albanian language, the glue that holds us together, it is what we fought for. Rilindasit didn't fight for a religion. As for Kosova, I know the French may have been reluctant (being Serb allies and all) but Sarkozy was the first to recognize and I know the Germans/Austrians are firmly behind us.
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