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Post by Pejoni on Feb 22, 2008 14:21:31 GMT -5
Thursday’s Serbian attack on the U.S. Embassy in Belgrade comes as a surprise only to the gullible, argues Stephen Schwartz.Support Pajamas Media; Visit Our Advertisers by Stephen Schwartz Serbs are a heroic nation proud of their glorious exploits. We have seen the latest such achievement in the arson attack on the U.S. Embassy in Belgrade, the Serbian capital, along with similar violence against embassies representing other countries that recognized the independence of Kosovo. Embassies symbolize international mutual respect and civility. But Serbs, who revel in their bravery when it comes to murdering children and old people – 1,200 children were deliberately killed by Serb snipers in the siege of Sarajevo from 1992 to 1995 – interpret diplomacy as aggression and attempted genocide. In Belgrade, the stars and stripes has been torn down. What will now be said by the isolationists, Albanophobes, and sellouts to Serbian and Russian influence, inside the Beltway, who spent the last few weeks agitating against Kosovo independence? Will they be happy to see our flag burned? Our flag was torched because we were slow to assist the Kosovar Albanians in really securing their freedom against Serbian fascism, and, being generous, kept giving the Serbs more chances to change their ways. But Serbs do not change. Of course, there are plenty of people inside America – supporters of the Ron Paul element in national politics – who will try to justify Serb violence against our embassy and flag, as they tried to deny the reality of Serbian mass murder at Srebrenica in Bosnia-Hercegovina, and at Racak in Kosovo. In Washington and New York, we also have to bear with the “experts” at the National Endowment for Democracy (NED), who boasted about their supposed victory in Belgrade in 2000, when the frowning fascist Slobodan Milosevic was replaced by the grinning fascist Vojislav Kostunica, now Serbian prime minister. The NED still brags about their “success” in backing the phony Otpor reform movement in Serbia. Some admirers of Otpor have the nerve to suggest a similar tactic be applied to support change in Iran. Thanks for that – by all means, let’s see Ahmadinejad replaced by a pseudo-alternative. The same NED hacks tell us that “dialogue” is possible with peaceful Islamists. Maybe it’s time for the people at NED to get real, honest work. But I digress. Serbs are indomitable fighters. They were tough and courageous when they sold out the Jews, making Belgrade the first officially “judenrein” city in Europe. They were hardy and principled when their bogus patriots, the Mihailovic Chetniks of World War II, collaborated with the Italian and German occupiers. They claimed the Chetnik terrorists fought the Nazis and were betrayed when the Allies supported Tito’s Partisans. Serbs did not join the Partisans until it was clear the Nazis were losing. The Chetniks were too busy cutting the throats of elderly Bosnian Muslim women. The Partisans – mainly Slovenes, Croats, Bosnian Muslims, and Albanians – fought for our side. The Serb lobby in the U.S. told us for decades how they saved U.S. Army Air Force pilots whose planes were shot down during World War II. They demanded special recognition, monuments, and medals, as if all the heroism was on the side of Serbian troglodytes and our pilots were mere technicians. Serbs hate Muslims because Muslims wash before praying. As a Serbian Orthodox “theologian” put it, Serbs are unafraid of dirt, because, according to them, their souls are pure. Serbian “saint” Nikolaj Velimirovic Zicka was locked up in Dachau for three months in 1944. He blamed his imprisonment, and the war, on… the Jews! And the phony humanitarian Artemije Radosavljevic, a Kosovo Serb cleric who has toured the U.S. portraying Albanians as savages, was among the biggest promoters of the sainthood of this Jew-baiting Serb Christian “thinker.” Serbs told the world for two centuries that they had defended the freedom of Europe against the Ottomans, when in reality they sold out to the Ottomans for the privilege of collecting taxes (the much-criticized Islamic cizye) from Christians under Islamic rule, and turned against the Ottomans only when Turkish power diminished and the Serbs feared the loss their status as tax farmers. And lest we be fooled by Serbian propaganda, there would have been no Yugoslav wars in the 1990s but for the unwillingness of Serbia to surrender the tax and financial control it exercised, from Belgrade, over the rest of the peoples in former Yugoslavia. That’s Serbian heroism. A lot like “Serbian truth” – a term used by Serbs themselves to refer to lying. Serbian apologists in America like Lawrence Eagleburger appeared surprised by the embassy attacks. But everybody who has been in Kosovo, Bosnia-Hercegovina, and Croatia in the past six months knew the Serbs would attempt to answer the independence declaration of the Kosovars with “Serbian statesmanship” – rioting, arson, desecration of our flag, attacks on the UN border posts in Kosovo. The U.S. must be prepared for worse adventurism from Serbia. Airhead commentators on the news channels also acted shocked by an outcome they should have known was coming. Some of them recycled Serbian myths about Kosovo being the alleged “heartland” of their so-called “culture.” In fact, the Serbian heartland was in Raska, north of Kosovo. And Serbian “culture” and “civilization” have been displayed to the world once again, as they were when the Serbs in 1991 bombed and shelled the historic Croatian city of Dubrovnik – a city that protected Jews during World War II; when the Serbs raped 60,000 women and girls in Bosnia-Hercegovina, and when the Serbs tried to expel two million Albanians from their homes in Kosovo. The whole world knows who the aggressors were in ex-Yugoslavia. But who stands behind crimes like the attack on our embassy? Such an action could not have taken place without the complicity of Kostunica, whose photograph was displayed waving a Kalashnikov when he ran for the Serbian presidency in 2000. And behind the Belgrade political mafia stands the proud “former” KGB agent Vladimir Putin, who is using Kosovo to revive Russian meddling in Europe and restart the cold war. Putin is willing to provoke a repetition of that grand chapter in Serbian history, the Sarajevo assassination of 1914, which touched off the first world war. America’s embassy in Belgrade is burning. Our flag has been torn down and set afire by the fearless Serbs. Americans should mute the repulsive gabble of the TV talking heads and just watch the spectacle, which speaks for itself. At least this is real history, not Serbian disinformation. Let Serbs dance in the ashes of their undeserved reputation for honor and glory. They will be the black hole of Europe for a hundred years. Albanians kiss our flag and express their gratitude and love for us. Let us not forget who have been our honorable and truthful friends. pajamasmedia.com/2008/02/heroic_serbs_storm_us_embassy.php
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Post by Pejoni on Feb 22, 2008 14:23:12 GMT -5
What a great author.... I thank him!!
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Post by atlantis on Feb 22, 2008 16:40:52 GMT -5
Magnificent article, this is the truth and they showing their face..........we knew for hundred years, but the entire world were too naive about that…
This is just the beginning and they will see more about their “bravery” with old people, children and unarmed people and finally with Embassies. It’s their old song …… By the way do they have a due fighting, face to face in their legends? ………….
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Post by sotneser on Feb 22, 2008 16:40:59 GMT -5
Very well written, I had shivers all through my body. I have to save this, print it and keep it forever.
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Post by redbaron on Feb 22, 2008 23:26:13 GMT -5
Just the truth.A nation of terrorists and warmongers.
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Post by sotneser on Feb 23, 2008 10:43:42 GMT -5
It's so funny reading the comments, a bunch of Serbs pretending to be Americans and spreading their propaganda.
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Post by donnie on Feb 23, 2008 10:50:02 GMT -5
The article is spot on. The Serbs have disgraced themselves utterly by perpetrating these acts of agression & vandalization!
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Post by sotneser on Feb 23, 2008 11:20:15 GMT -5
This is also a very, very good article. A part of it, which I have to point out. "But it needs to be understood that "Serbia" itself has lost nothing and has nothing to complain about. With the independence of Kosovo, the Yugoslav idea is finally and completely dead"www.slate.com/id/2184997/pagenum/all/#page_start
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Post by srbobran on Feb 23, 2008 12:07:06 GMT -5
What massacres at Racak and Srebrenica? In Srebrenica, after 3 years of hard fighting, only 2000 (both Serb and Bosniak, solder and civilian) bodies were found. Not to mention Oric and his thugs had been slaughtering and destroying the surrounding Serbian villages and in turn provoked a response. As for Racak, it like the other Albanian lies never happened. www.mediamonitors.net/gowans1.htmlwww.emperors-clothes.com/articles/Johnstone/Recak.htmlWhy do you think Milosevic, after 7 years, couldn' be found guilty? Then, they killed him in order to make sure that he couldn't formally be acquitted and the truth couldn't get out. Its JundenFREI. That idiot can't even do his research. The National socialist element from Serbia was very small and its was IMMENSLY large in many other countries which he refuses to talk about. However, the Serbian Axis fighters (the SDK in particular) were listed as among the best in the Wehrmacht logs, so yes, they were indomitable. Yes, we DEMANDED it. When the fvck were we in any position to demand anything? If anyone, the AMerican government demanded that our soldiers be properly acknowledged for their heroism. No, after the Battle of Kosovo, that Hungarian moron Sigismund attacked our and pillaged our northern lands, so in order to defend what was left of our realm, we aceeded into Ottoman vassalage. We soon switched to the Hungarian side and fought the Ottomans quite well. We organized a rebellion in Tarnovo (Ragusans) and when Ivan Shishman rebelled against the Turks, Serbian armies provided auxiliary support in fighting the Ottomans. In 1456, we defeated a huge Ottoman army at Belgrade. In 1526, Jovan Nenad restablished the Serbian state and defeated a large Ottoman army. Then, the Hungarians destroyed us in union with the Turks. In 1594 was the great Banat uprising. Our littoral (Zeta) remained UNCONQUERED by the Turks. In the Austro-Turkish War, Serbs rebelled again and captured their territory, but Austria soon withdrew. We were, the first to achieve independence in 1804 and again in 1817. It took the Turks about 150 years to conquer us (an not even completely).
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Post by donnie on Feb 23, 2008 12:42:55 GMT -5
Yes. And Michael Jackson is really Draza Mihajlovic's grandson.
The pr!ck committed alot of atrocities. Not personally, but he was responsible for them. Such a process takes time. And it wasn't seven years.
'Small'? Two concentration camps were run in Serbian soil, one administered by SERBS! Serbian fascism was homemade, meaning it was indigenous, unlike the case of most Nazi-occupied nations of WWII. Zbor of Dimitrije Ljotic was established prior to the invasion of Yugoslavia '41. There was wide sympathy among Serbs for Hitler. Furthermore, Serbian fascism had deep roots. Discriminative laws against Serbia's Jewry were passed and even constitutionalized as early as in the 19th century. The anti.semitic sentiments were stimulated by the SOC, and when Hitler's forces occupied Serbia, it was not difficult to find sympathizers. Hence, over 16,000 of Serbia's Jews (over ninety per cent of Serbia's Jewish poplation) were killed by Serbian collaborators but also Nazis, who like Stephen Schwartz pointed out played a double game.
Some intentional errors I will remedy.
1) Serbian collaboration cannot be attributed to Hungarian agression. There was collaboration prior to 1389 as well (a battle where Marko Kraljevic fought on the Sultan's side), even as early as during King Milutin's reign. Furthermore, if anything, the Christian Hungarians must've been closer to your medieval ancestors than the Muslim Turks. Sure the Hungarians might've had some territorial claims. But the Turkish threat was bigger. Nevertheless, Serbian collaboration was diligent even when the Turks had siezed more than half of 'your' land.
2) The battle of 1456 was the victory of Janos Hunyadi (Iancu de Hunedoara), a Vlach/Magyar noble from Transsylvania. Perhaps Serbs participated as well, but it was a battle between Hungary and the Ottoman empire.
3) Montenegro wasn't unconquored. Cetinje was taken in some occasional campaigns and the population of the highlands was even registered in Ottoman censuses called defters.
4) You did not achieve independence in 1804 or 1817, but mere autonomy. Your independence wasn't won until after the Treaty of San Stefano.
5) It took the Turks 150 years? Puhleeez. Your first real battle with them was Maritza 1377. Then you participated in the coalition which was defeated in Kosova 1389. After that, you barely offered resistance. Serbia was finally conquored 1456, less than a hundred years!
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Post by sotneser on Feb 23, 2008 12:44:33 GMT -5
hhahahaha...keep it up, keep denying things that have clearly occurred. Probably after a while, you are going say that those Embassies were not burned, they weren't even touched, or maybe come up with “it wasn't the serbs”.
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Post by srbobran on Feb 23, 2008 15:09:20 GMT -5
Great one liner. Did you read the links? The evidence? I think not. Rather, you cling to the 10,000 dead figure when in fact only 2,000 bodies (not all of them Albanian) were found.
Why didn't they just convict him already? I can answer that, they had no sound evidence! And yes, it was 6 years, 1999-2006 and they couldn't gather a scrap of evidence, so they killed him. For God's sake, prior to his death, Milosevic was said to have been suspicious of food poisoning, he was right.
Our brand of National SOcialism was home grown-- as it was in EVERY country occupied or allied with the Germans. In Croatia, Bulgaria, Hungary, Romania, Greece etc. it was always spearheded by people of that ethnic background and NOT by Germans. And yes, there were concentration camps in Serbia; there were concentration camps everywhere. How are we playing a double game? The majority of Serbs either joined the Partisans or the Chetniks. Chetniks did collaborate, but you dont' realize the circumstance. Hitler killed 100 Serbs for every dead German soldier. Thus, Draza decided it would be best that if he stopped harrassing German troops and focus on the communist threat in order TO SAVE HIS OWN PEOPLE. The Partisans would go out and randomly kill a few Germans (which would have absolutely NO effect on the outcome of the war) yet 400 Serb civilians would die. And might I remind you that it was the CHETNIKS who, in the first year of the war liberated all of Montenegro, Herzegovina, and parts of Dalmatia from Axis rule? May I remind you that Tito also tried to forge a "live and let live" alliance with Hitler, but failed? My suggestion, guit spewing shit about topics you know nothing about and stop being blinded by your self-consuming inferiority complex directed towards your insecurities about Serbs.
1. Yes Marko Kraljevic and his South Serbian kingdom collaborated, but the main Serbian state (headed by Stefan Lazarevic) was going to until Sigismund ravaged the Serbian lands. What the hell were we supposed to do? We had to drive the Magyar scum from our lands and sure as hell couldn't do it alone (considering how much of our male populace died at Kosovo).
2. Janos was of of Vlacho-SERBIAN origin firstly. And no, it wasn't. The Serbian Despotate (Belgrade included) lasted until 1459 (although a Hungarian vassal centered in Vojvodina was created and lasted up until 1485 by Vuk Grgujevic Brankovic) whereas the battle occurred in 1456. The fortifications were entirely Serbian and yes, the troops were majority Serbs. Most historians have a consensus that the Serbian longbowmen were one of the key factors in destroying the Ottomans at the battle. Whether it was a battle between Hungary and the Ottomans makes no difference, most of the troops actually fighting were SERBS.
3. Montenegro was virtually unconquered. It was technically recognzied as a Turk territory but it was de facto independent.
4. Wrong. We achieved FULL INDEPENDENCE in 1804, lost in 1813, rebelled again in 1815 and achieved de facto independence in 1817. We are a separate suzerain and a principality, we simply weren;t recognized, kind of like Kosovo today.
-Battle of Mairtsa -Battle of Kosovo -Battle of Plocnik (Serbian victory in Bosnia over Ottomans -Siege of Smederevo -Siege of Novo Brdo (1441_ -Serbs/Magyars recapture territory , defeat Turks 1443 -Serbian incursions into Ottoman Bulgaria, in conjunction with Ivan Shishman, led rebellion in BG -Siege of Belgrade -Battle of Gračanica (Serbian victory over Ottomans) -1475-Serbian troops reconquer Bosnia from Ottomans -Ivan Crnojevic and his battle with Turks -Bosnia (under a Serbian king and back then, populated with Serbs) resisted until 1534 -Jovan Nenad rebellion 1526 (eventually the Magyars betrayed us again and made sure were a aprt of Turkey) -1594 Great Banat Uprising -1699-Serbian uprising, successful, Morthern Serbian territories passed into Austrian Hands -1804-First Serbian Uprising -1815-Second Serbian Uprising -1875-Nevesenje Puska- Bosnian Serbs defeat Ottomans and free Bosnia -1876-Serbian/Montenegrins declare war on Turkey, capture Skadar and several other Turkish lands, gains not recognized by European powers) -1912-First Balkan War
What about when Karl Thopia led a war with the Turks against Serbian Zeta? What about the fact that Skenderbeg, of half Serbian resisted the Turks for a long time? What about massive Albanian collaboration with teh Turks after they converted to ISlam? What about the fact that the last Byzantine emperors was a Serb and provided excellent resistance to the Turks?
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Post by tripwire on Feb 23, 2008 16:31:15 GMT -5
"What about the fact that Skenderbeg, of half Serbian resisted the Turks for a long time? " Oh stop it already! Vojsava Triballi came from an ancient Illyrian Tribe of the Triballians. BTW, what does "TRIBALLI" mean in SErbian or russian?
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Post by rex362 on Feb 23, 2008 16:33:54 GMT -5
^ you guys are all in denial of the last 2 decades of actual events that took place and rewriting history in front of the worlds eyes .....you guys must be schizophrenically in mass denial for sure...
keep away...keep to yourselves we are done with ya
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Post by c0gnate on Feb 23, 2008 17:01:11 GMT -5
Our brand of National SOcialism was home grown You sound like a National Socialist yourself. 2. Janos was of of Vlacho-SERBIAN origin firstly. Wait, don't tell me. He was the bastard son of Stevan Lazarevich (son of ill-fated Prince Lazar) and a Vlach maiden, who had been secretly offered up to him for one night of relaxation during a visit to Hungary? Later a kind but stupid Vlach nobleman married her, but he was not the real father? I know that Serbian poem too. But where else in the world do poems pass for history? Most historians have a consensus that the Serbian longbowmen were one of the key factors in destroying the Ottomans at the battle. Your source has taken liberties here. They mixed up the English versus French battle of Agincourt, with the battle of Belgrade. Belgrade at the time was not Serbian. It had not been so earlier, and would not become so until the 19th century. Why didn't they just convict him already? I can answer that, they had no sound evidence! And yes, it was 6 years, 1999-2006 and they couldn't gather a scrap of evidence, so they killed him. For God's sake, prior to his death, Milosevic was said to have been suspicious of food poisoning, he was right. 6 years? But the Serb authorities only arrested and delivered Milosevic in 2001. The trial wasn't going well for him. There is every indication that he purposefully overdosed on his medication, committing suicide, like his father before him. 3. Montenegro was virtually unconquered. It was technically recognzied as a Turk territory but it was de facto independent. The virtually unconquered part was an inaccessible mountain (the "black" mountain) that the Turks saw no point in subduing. The people there were too poor to contribute any taxes. As to the littoral, it was held by the Venetians. Do you have any idea what "bocca", as in Boka Kotorska, means in Italian? As to your list of battles, covering several centuries, show links to non Serbian sites that claim most of the soldiers were Serbs. I won't hold my breath.
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Post by srbobran on Feb 23, 2008 18:47:56 GMT -5
Incorrect. It was the capital of the Serbian Despotate in 1404 and onwards and was a part of the Serbian realm on previous occasions. The people living there were Serbs.
What the hell kind of question is that? The first part of the list includes battles fought by the SERBIAN empire and the SERBIAN despotate. Its logical to infer (considering that the Serbian state was relatively homogeneous at the time) that a majority of the troops were Serbian. As for the uprisings, those go without question ; search it on Brittanica or any other credible encyclopedia, the leaders and fighters of those rebellions were Serbs.
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Post by c0gnate on Feb 23, 2008 20:12:00 GMT -5
What the hell kind of question is that? The first part of the list includes battles fought by the SERBIAN empire and the SERBIAN despotate. Its logical to infer (considering that the Serbian state was relatively homogeneous at the time) that a majority of the troops were Serbian. As for the uprisings, those go without question ; search it on Brittanica or any other credible encyclopedia, the leaders and fighters of those rebellions were Serbs. The Serbian empire lasted NINE years: from April 16, 1346 to December 20, 1355. Can you name any foreign power that recognized Dushan as an emperor and Serbia as an empire? Maybe the Patriarch in Constantinople? Or the Pope in Rome? The Ottomans? The Magyars? The Venetians? The Russians? The French? The English? Anyone at all?
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Post by donnie on Feb 23, 2008 20:57:47 GMT -5
You really know how to day dream Srbobran. Keep going like that. Serbs like you, experts on pseudo-history, will continue leading future Serb generations into a swamp of myths and lies glorifying Serbia & the Serbs. That is why you are where you are now, with reduced territory and rioting adolescents putting fire on foreign embassies. And so, facing such excellent knowledge in history, I see it as futile to pursue this debate further. Congratulations LOL.
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Post by vinjak on Feb 23, 2008 21:39:29 GMT -5
oMG the kettle calling the pot black just a year ago we had this want some more ?
Protest Against UN Plan Turns Bloody in Pristina 12 February 2007
Tensions set to escalate in disputed territory after pro-independence demonstrators killed on weekend march.
By Krenar Gashi and Jeta Xharra in Pristina (Balkan Insight, 12 Feb 07)
Hundreds gathered on Sunday, February 11, in the centre of Pristina to mourn the victims of the previous day’s demonstration against the UN peace plan that turned violent and ended in fatalities. Two people died and more than 80 were injured in clashes with the police.
Most of those who returned on Sunday lit candles in memory of the dead men, named as Arben Xheladini, 34, and Man Balaj, 30.
Some wept, not only from sorrow but as a result of the residue of the rounds of tear gas that police fired into the city’s principal Mother Theresa street.
Fatmir Rexhepi, Kosovo’s interior minister, condemned the protest on Saturday, saying the security situation in Kosovo had “worsened as a result”.
About 3,000 people responded to the call of a nationalist organisation called Vetevendosje (self-determination), to protest against the UN proposal on Kosovo’s final status.
They are angered by the terms of the deal, which they say offers too many concessions to the Serbian minority and to the government in Belgrade. Serbia strongly opposes independence for Kosovo, claiming it as an integral part of its own territory.
The Kosovo Police Service, KPS, supported by the Special Police Unit of the UN mission in Kosovo, UNMIK, used tear gas and rubber bullets when the protesters tried to break through police lines.
Albin Kurti, Vetevendosje’s leader, who was arrested later that day, claimed the protest had been non-violent in nature and condemned the police intervention as brutal and politically motivated.
The police have responded that they are obliged to protect public property and government buildings from potential assault.
Protests organised by Vetevendosje have turned violent before, although not on this scale. The last rally, on November 28, 2006, resulted in light damage to government buildings after protesters pelted windows with stones.
“We considered that the [government’s] property was endangered by the protesters and we took the necessary measures,” said Veton Elshani, the KPS spokesperson.
Behxhet Shala, of a local civil rights group, the Council for Defence of Human Rights and Freedom, described the police action as a “severe violation of human rights”.
“I have never seen such an amount of tear gas. Despite the fact that there was no violence from the protesters, the police was quite prepared to be violent,” he said.
The protest began peacefully on Saturday with marchers moving off from Vetevendosje’s headquarters towards the government and parliament buildings. Placards attacked the proposal for Kosovo drawn up by the UN envoy Martti Ahtisaari and the Kosovo negotiating team.
Other groups joined the core of protesters, including members of missing persons organisations, war veterans groups and people who wanted to protest against corruption.
Just before they reached government buildings, police stopped the crowd who stood there for several minutes, listening to speeches from the organisers. The clash began after Albin Kurti urged the crowd to continue the march to the parliament and government building despite the police blockade.
Police then opened fire with rounds of teargas and rubber bullets for about one hour, despite the fact that most of the protesters quickly ran away.
Dugagjin Gorani, a local political analyst who took part in the protest, said the police “started shooting at us indiscriminately; I felt like they made a terrorist out of all of us”.
But KPS spokesperson Elshani was unrepentant. “We had information that the protestors are going to be very radical and we have evidence that they threw two Molotov c**ktails at the police,” he said.
The authorities were clearly taking no chances. Special police units from Romania, Ukraine, Poland and Italy deployed in support of KPS colleagues who are not equipped with rubber bullets. The two men died from rubber bullets hitting their faces and necks.
Kosovo’s political leaders expressed their condolences to their the families. Both the protest and its aftermath have divided the community. “They shouldn’t start protesting at all,” said one woman who watched the events from her balcony.
The Kosovo negotiating team also condemned the marchers. “The violent protest stimulated by Albin Kurti and Vetevendosje… is against Kosovo’s stability and general interests,” they said on Sunday.
But Alban Bokshi, a civil society activist, said the police strategy had been counterproductive. “In such situations the police should use a defensive strategy but instead they used an offensive one,” he said. “They fired over 200 rounds of gas in one hour.”
Dugagjin Gorani said such types of policing would only recruit more people to Vetevendosje. “I went just to see what would happen and came home ‘self-determined’,” he said.
Arben Xheladini will be buried at 16:00 on Monday, February 12, in Pristina cemetery and Man Balaj the next day.
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Post by rex362 on Feb 23, 2008 21:47:38 GMT -5
omg ...the hillbilly's in USA are even talking about this one
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