ioan
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Post by ioan on Nov 16, 2008 6:51:17 GMT -5
You are totally right Toskaliku. It all comes down to the individual. However that doesnt mean we cannot analyse the relationships between nations, international relationships and thats what we try to do here.
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Post by meltdown711 on Nov 16, 2008 14:39:42 GMT -5
Its pointless because nations dont act on friendship but on interest. Today Romanians may be enemies tomorrow they will be best friends. When interests clash then the propaganda will change and the other will no longer be portrayed as a friend. Its no secret that nations that like each other most are those which dont share borders... there is a reason for that and whats more those nations that are closest are those which have never had clashes of interest. These are mostly constructs and have little to do with our ideas of 'friendship'.
Interests guide the world and todays friend can easily turn into tomorrows enemy or vice versa. Just look at Europe...
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Post by ioan on Nov 16, 2008 15:16:05 GMT -5
yeah and we observe with which neighbour our interests clashed the least.
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Post by meltdown711 on Nov 16, 2008 16:27:38 GMT -5
Yea but the way you guys are doing it is funny... lol
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Post by rusebg on Nov 16, 2008 16:33:40 GMT -5
What is so funny? Ioan is trying to get an opinion which country screwed us least from a historic aspect. It has nothing to do with personal relationships, individuals and so on.
Btw, Toskaliku, judging by your disputes with Greeks, you are not in a position to be critical about such issues.
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Post by meltdown711 on Nov 16, 2008 17:48:23 GMT -5
Ruse, youve built quite an animosity towards me Ive noticed... whats the deal? ;D
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Post by stambolov2025 on Nov 17, 2008 0:20:02 GMT -5
I voted for Macedonia, they are the only country that has not gone to war with us, although with the way things are going, you never know.
Yes recently our political agendas have clashed but we are kin with them whether they want to admit it or not.
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Post by rusebg on Nov 17, 2008 1:59:39 GMT -5
Not really, I just disagree with some of your points, especially when you want to puke on Slavs  |
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Post by meltdown711 on Nov 19, 2008 15:33:51 GMT -5
Now now Ruse, you know its only my Balkan 'damar' that does it... Hell 2 of my past girls have been Slavs, plus when I have random Serbs and Croats coming up to me and asking me where I am from, its hard to really hate...
No need to get emotional
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Post by rusebg on Nov 20, 2008 10:33:30 GMT -5
I need to know what do you understand by damar because what I call damar is the thick part of the tripe it is very nice, especially in tripe-soup ;D Hey, I didn't insult you or something, I simply disagreed with you. Besides, emotions is what drives this forum, don't you think?  |
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Post by serban on Nov 20, 2008 15:36:39 GMT -5
Az opitvam da pisha po bylgarski. Rumyntsite ne sa priyatelite vi. V nikakyv sluchay. V Rumyniya ima losho mnenie za bylgarite. Az sam edin ot veroytno 10 ili po-malko rumyntsi koito obichat Bylgariya. Za syzhalenie tazi e istinata.
Mislya che syrbite sa nay-blizkite do bylgarite. Syzhalyavam che syrbite i bylgarite ne sa oshte priyateli sega. Kogato sym v Bylgariya i pytuvam s avtobusi ponyakoga shofyorite chuyat srybska muzika. Faktyt che srybskiyat i bylgarskiyat ezitsi oshte sa pochti pylno vzaimno razbiraemi e za men dostatychno dokazatelstvo che bylgarite i syrbite sa istinski brati.
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Post by ioan on Nov 20, 2008 16:39:05 GMT -5
Uou Serban! You are really good in Bulgarian! Keep it on.
It doesnt matter what Romanians think of Bulgarians, we just analyze here that you historically have been the state that least have stubbed us in the back. I also think that Romanians and Bulgarians are closely related (including genetically).
As for the Serbs, I agree we are very close culturally, religiously, genetically etc. but their state had proven it isnt a friend of the Bulgarians. Not till now I mean. But even recently our interests clashed so I wouldnt count on finding the path to each other any time soon.
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Post by Atan on Nov 21, 2008 2:04:31 GMT -5
Damn ;D! Serban you are quite good man  - I didn't expect someone - a foreigner - to talk that well in Bulgarian. By the way - as Ioan mentioned - these are relations between states we are talking about - that's why Toskaliku got confused as well ;D! Its quite different than those between given individuals - doesn't matter if between Nigerian or Swedish. So in general context - it is right to call Romania our.....most undisturbing neighbour ;D. Maybe this bad attitude of Romanians towards us is provoked by something? Historical maybe ;D? Could you please evaluate this issue? Serbia is bad choice believe me - these guys are so shovinistic and thick-headed as none in the Balkans. And they hate anyone else they view as rival - doesn't matter if brother or sister - look what they did to Croats and Bosnians. Also let me enlighten you what they think of us - they think we are Mongol looking barbarians who still stink of horse sweat and who think of nothing else than to steal Serbian Sacred land (doens't matter that Bulgarians live there actually). And we are always viewed as enemy - the Tatars from the East ;D. Ioan - I still think Macedonia doens't belong in that list . In general you are right - very right. But in the same time you are wrong ;D. Because if you start viewing some object, things or thick-headed people in some way - especially the people, they start to think of themselves in such way. You and your people also get accustomed to such way of viewing them...Do you get my point? This is how new states and new history is created my friend - everything falls down to perseption. That's the truth. |
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Post by serban on Nov 21, 2008 3:46:41 GMT -5
Romanians have a superiority complex towards all their neighbors because they think their Lation origin is more noble than their neighbors' origins. Apart from that Romanians are extremely frustrated by the fact that the "inferior" Bulgarians have managed to get Souther Dobruja back. Romanians have this dream of re-creating Greater Romania (Romania as existed between 1920 and 1940). Just like Bulgarians are taught that San Stefano Bulgaria is the rightful Bulgaria, Romanians are taught that the 1920-1940 Romania is the righful Romania. The difference is that Greater Romania actually existed for 20 years wheareas San Stefano Bulgaria has never actually existed.
The Romanians will always try to steal from their neighbors the territories that belonged to Greater Romania and don't belong to present-day Romania anymore. This territories now belong to Ukraine and Bulgaria. So you Bulgarians have to watch out.
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Post by Atan on Nov 21, 2008 4:00:41 GMT -5
Serban - I understand fully your point. However I would like to make small correction to your views. We NEVER I mean NEVER EVER claimed territories which doesn't have Bulgarian inhabitants. I mean the majority. So in the end San-Stefano Bulgaria was only the one which had Bulgarians living inside its borders - no Serbs, Romanians and etc. While Serbs and Romanians and Greeks on the contrary - they want land which is not theirs - its not! May be they have some minorities living there but the majority of the population was not of their ethnicity! Look what happened now in Macedonia - since our fellow brother Serbs couldn't make them real Serbians - they just washed their heads at least to keep them from re-uniting with us.
Also - believe me Dobrudja was and will be Bulgarian - even the Northern part you took was inhabited mostly by Bulgarians.
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Post by Catcher in the Rye on Nov 21, 2008 9:51:07 GMT -5
Serban, nobody wants to steal anything anyway is funny to say lands can be stolen. Romanian lands that belong to Ukraine now, in 1775 didn't have one single Ukrainian now this is not speculation but acurate Austrian censuses, the same thing for Basarabia in 1812, now those lands that are now belonging to Ukraine have a small minority of Romanians so there is no way to belong to Romania again.
As for Bulgaria, like i said before S Dobrogea was inhabited exclusivelly by Turks so Bulgarians didn't have any more rights on it than Romania but considering that Turks took Dobrogea from Wallachia it was right to be returned to us once the Turks were driven out by our own armed efforts, Russia agreed to give us a much bigger stretch of land including Varna and Rouse but we refused because Russia wanted instead the piece of Basarabia that belonged at that time to Romania we still losed that land and didnt got much from the war while Serbs without taking part at the war got their independence without any trouble and Bulgaria got autnomy or something.
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Post by besarab on Nov 21, 2008 13:31:41 GMT -5
serban,your bulgarian is almost perfect :)hvala brate. anyway what makes you think that romanians feel some superiority towards us.on what base.romanians use to writte in bulgarian alphabet untill the end of 19 century,they use to sing in bulgarian in theyr churches..modern romanian still consists atleast 20 % of bulgarian words[like griza,dumbrava etc.],atleast half of the toponyms in southern romania are of bulgarian origin.predominant part of the modern day wallachs speak freely bulgarian[wallachs but not romanians -romanian isnt an historical name].so my friend --we dont have such a feeling,no matter what they think about ;D ;D.as far as i can see you are a romanian serb arent you.tell us about |
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Post by rusebg on Nov 21, 2008 18:07:59 GMT -5
I think you attack the only guy who has good feelings toward us. Serban is not the person that you should address in this aspect of history. And his name is not Serbian, there is some very famous person named Serban Voda or something like that, this is where his nick comes from in my opinion.
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Post by besarab on Nov 22, 2008 2:59:15 GMT -5
 ne go atakuvam
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Post by Catcher in the Rye on Nov 22, 2008 8:01:50 GMT -5
serban,your bulgarian is almost perfect :)hvala brate. anyway what makes you think that romanians feel some superiority towards us.on what base.romanians use to writte in bulgarian alphabet untill the end of 19 century,they use to sing in bulgarian in theyr churches..modern romanian still consists atleast 20 % of bulgarian words[like griza,dumbrava etc.],atleast half of the toponyms in southern romania are of bulgarian origin.predominant part of the modern day wallachs speak freely bulgarian[wallachs but not romanians -romanian isnt an historical name].so my friend --we dont have such a feeling,no matter what they think about ;D ;D.as far as i can see you are a romanian serb arent you.tell us about Romania didn't write in the Bugarian alphabet because it doesn't exist such a thing. I don't know how it was called but for sure we didn't call it Bulgarian because it isn't and for sure the other nations that used it like Russians don't call and didn't called it Bulgarian alphabet. Anyway the alphabet is more exactly a slightly modified version of the Greek and i doubt Bulgarian have anything to do with it's creation. Modern Romanians have an important percent of Slavic words not Bulgarian words, got it? At least half of the Toponyms to be Bulgarian is a hillarious affirmation not to be taken seriouslly i doubt Bulgarian toponyms to be even 1%. And Romanian is the name that we used all the time and not Vlach and the varians of Vlach which is an exonym invented by Germans. As for superiority and inferiority complexes, that's not about any Latin origin it's just that Hungarians, Bulgarians, Serbs, Ukrainians all are Asiatic invadors while we are at home. And Serban for sure is not Romanians because a Romanian could not say "Romanians want to steal lands from their neighbors". |
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- I didn't expect someone - a foreigner - to talk that well in Bulgarian. 
ne go atakuvam