ioan
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Post by ioan on Oct 30, 2009 2:19:02 GMT -5
yes I agree at some point in the middle ages the muslim world was educated. but since then not much changed. the religion detiriorated and today most of the islaam states are stuck in the middle ages. i ve been in dubai: with all its richness, the dubai citizens do live mentally in the middle ages. I can not imagine what the situation is in saudi arabia etc. turkey is the exeption: it is not in this group, because compared to those states, it has aquired alot of european influences: it was build on the ruins of the byzantine empire. I ll not go on about the north african muslim states... I ve been in Bosnia and Herzegovina: in Mostar and Saraevo... I loved Saraevo, but it has so little to do with islam. It has the Vienna architecture, there are catholic cathedrals, mosques and orthodox churches... Beautiful city... But it is much more connected with Austria, Serbia, Croatia than it is to the middle east. Too bad if most Bosnians praise a country like Saudi Arabia...
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Post by tito on Oct 30, 2009 2:52:01 GMT -5
Too bad if most Bosnians praise a country like Saudi Arabia... I don’t think that any Bosnians "praise" Saudi Arabia, from a historic perspective Saudi Arabia was created by the British invaders who supported traitors of the Ottoman empire, if it was up to the Bosniaks the Saud family would never have separated any part of Arabia. But on the other hand Saudi Arabia did provide financial aid when mother Bosnia and the Bosniak people needed it the most and when others who today pretend to be friends of Bosnia closed their eyes in front of genocide and expected the Bosniak people and mother Bosnia to cease to exist.
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Post by rusebg on Oct 30, 2009 3:27:25 GMT -5
Do you really think Bosniaks gave a rat's arse about what was going on in Arabia at that time?
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Post by tito on Oct 30, 2009 4:54:21 GMT -5
Do you really think Bosniaks gave a rat's arse about what was going on in Arabia at that time? Bosniaks spilled blood even in Africa, a bosniak general defeated Napoleon in Palestine and to defend holy cities of Mecca and Media would have been an honor to any Bosniak at the time.
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Post by PrijesDardanian on Oct 30, 2009 5:11:23 GMT -5
islam is non european religion.. And christianly is european religion?
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ioan
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Post by ioan on Oct 30, 2009 5:29:33 GMT -5
yes
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Post by PrijesDardanian on Oct 30, 2009 5:41:23 GMT -5
how yes?...Christinaly+Islam both have same origin from Middle Easterns...how can be european? even all prophets were non-european, no one was from european origin.
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ioan
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Post by ioan on Oct 30, 2009 5:56:00 GMT -5
of course, no one denies this, but european culture/philosophy/belief system/historical developments - all that was based on christianity. in reality EU is a christian organization. However Albania would enter, because you are mosly ateists country.
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Post by Vizier of Oz on Oct 30, 2009 8:40:05 GMT -5
American interpretation of Turkey 2050.
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Patrinos
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Peloponnesos uber alles
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Post by Patrinos on Oct 30, 2009 8:51:57 GMT -5
;D
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Post by rusebg on Oct 30, 2009 8:52:06 GMT -5
I hope at that time you will be the mayor of one of the villages near the Sudan border.
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Post by Vizier of Oz on Oct 30, 2009 8:55:51 GMT -5
I hope at that time you will be the mayor of one of the villages near the Sudan border. As a senior citizen, I think I will be living in Tataria Vilayet by then. ;D
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Post by rusebg on Oct 30, 2009 8:59:58 GMT -5
Ok, then I hope you will be a member of the council of the elders in the village with the biggest number of sheep.
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Kanaris
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This just in>>>> Nobody gives a crap!
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Post by Kanaris on Oct 30, 2009 14:25:18 GMT -5
What is a Bosnian? Honestly....
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Post by tito on Oct 30, 2009 17:22:23 GMT -5
What is a Bosnian? Honestly.... The Grand Vizier in charge of the Ottoman liberation of Cyprus. ;D
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Post by rusebg on Oct 30, 2009 17:53:15 GMT -5
You know, Tito, I prefer her being the face of Bosnia than some fvcking grand vizier. Of course, if she is not too naked according to the religious rules you follow.
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Post by thracian08 on Oct 30, 2009 18:01:04 GMT -5
Turkey will definetely get into EU. You will see... It be based upon Europe's negative population.
Yes I know the GDP per person is higher in Greece. What I mean is economically because Turkey's GDP is $1.08 trillion which is very large.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Oct 30, 2009 18:08:28 GMT -5
"I actually think that the EU will to take Turkey in, sooner or later due to economic reasons. Europeans are not having kids. They will be a lot of old people, and not a lot of young people. They will need people to employ. And Turkey has large young population."
Germany for one doesn't want Turkey in the EU because she fears once the Turks do receive membership they will flood the country with immigrants.
"look who's talking about Human rights Novi, coming from a Serbian. We all know how civilized your nation is after Bosnia and Kosovo."
In serbia, minorities do have cultural rights, the problem is that serbia is too nice these people hence why they later become complacent and take advantage of the system.......have you ever heard of the yugoslavian communistic motto "BROTHERHOOD IN UNITY". I'll say it again, Turkey's human rights is a disgrace, the only reason why they can get away with it is because she is in a strong geographical and geopolitical region.....extremely lucky, otherwise she would have been a third world country by now.
"There are millions of Muslims in Russia - as Russia consists of Russians and other Turkic people's. Not to mention Russian women marrying Muslims. Why are Russia's Muslims such a concern for you? You must be so afraid of us"
Makes me laugh when Turkish women boast about how other ethnic women are running after their men. Thracian, have you ever thought that there could be a shortage of men to marry, unless they have been arranged lol
Anyway, Russians make up 80% of its population. There are many muslim ethnic groups in Russia and they are not only Turkic. My concern is will they become effected the outside poison?
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Post by Novi Pazar on Oct 30, 2009 18:11:06 GMT -5
"Turkey will definetely get into EU. You will see... It be based upon Europe's negative population."
Kurdish population growth is a massive factor for Turkey.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Oct 30, 2009 18:14:44 GMT -5
"American interpretation of Turkey 2050."
Vizier, remember a map released by the US showing her aims of the middle east, in that map a Kurdish republic is born. I wouldn't take american thoughts too seriously, they are a two faced nation.
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