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Post by ioan on Dec 3, 2009 3:34:42 GMT -5
By the way BELA is deffinately NOT Serbian exclusive. Even I often say Bela and I m from Eastern Bulgaria.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Dec 3, 2009 4:01:17 GMT -5
nothing bulgarian is bulgarian exclusive. so? besides, i am just giving indications here, not done-deal type of results.
(you personally could also sound Romanian/Russian/Ukrainian/Croatian/Bosnian/Greek, just for a little bit more land and power... so i bet you are right, at cases you may say bela as well...)
+ you are an hypocrite and a fat liar, not even the Sofians dont say "belo"... they say BYALO. (so i guess further east, the bYAlo accent would be more intense)
you are a liar and a damned hypocrite all along...
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Dec 3, 2009 4:12:09 GMT -5
dont play clever... THE NAME OF THE "BYZANTINE SOURCE", like the title of the byzantine book, plus the author where this "king" is mentioned. WHAT SOURCE DO YOU NEED ABOUT A CITY WHICH EXISTS TODAY WITH THIS NAME? GO THERE AND ASK THE LOCALS WHEN THEIR TOWN WAS BUILT. If the city was named BOULGARIA, i guess you wouldn't have a problem accept it as fact, would you?
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Post by ioan on Dec 3, 2009 4:15:21 GMT -5
I m not talking about the TOPONYM SERVIA. I m talking about this: "According to a Byzantine source, Tsar Traklije (610-641) allowed them to settle around Salonika [in Macedonia], which they did, subsequently withdrawing from it to the north. The same source also testifies that the first Serbian princes (arhonti) were called Viseslav, Radoslav, Prosigoj and Vlastimir." WHICH IS THIS BYZANTINE SOURCE, like title, author? ?? Read carefully Gyrro.
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Post by ioan on Dec 3, 2009 4:20:04 GMT -5
nothing bulgarian is bulgarian exclusive. so? besides, i am just giving indications here, not done-deal type of results. (you personally could also sound Romanian/Russian/Ukrainian/Croatian/Bosnian/Greek, just for a little bit more land and power... so i bet you are right, at cases you may say bela as well...) trying to sound clever and u fail miserably yet again. Byalo is the right way to say it, in OFFICIAL BULGARIAN. However lots of Bulgarians say BELO. Also keep in mind that in OFFICIAL BULGARIAN the plural form of white (BYAL) is............... bEli. u are coo coo and u have 0 knowlegde about Bulgarian and Serbian.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Dec 3, 2009 4:20:33 GMT -5
Κων. Ζ΄ ο Πορφυρογέννητος. The name of the Greek Byzantine Historian.
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Post by ioan on Dec 3, 2009 4:22:15 GMT -5
In English please.
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Post by ioan on Dec 3, 2009 4:24:17 GMT -5
"According to a Byzantine source, Tsar Traklije (610-641) allowed them to settle around Salonika [in Macedonia], which they did, subsequently withdrawing from it to the north. The same source also testifies that the first Serbian princes (arhonti) were called Viseslav, Radoslav, Prosigoj and Vlastimir."
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Dec 3, 2009 4:57:01 GMT -5
www.snaga.rs/Ilustrovana_istorija_srba/tekst/engleski/01/01-06-doseljavanje-slovena.html" During the reign of Tsar Heraclius (610-641), the Serbs settled in the vicinity of Salonika (as penned by Tsar C. Porphyrogenitus) and the region was called Servia after them. An Avar-Slav attack on Constantinopole in 626 was fatal for the Avars, because after that they disappeared from the historical stage, while Slavic tribes settled and strengthened themselves within Byzantium. Lands inhabited by the Slavs were called Sclaviniae in Byzantine sources. These wer Ăe most probably the beginnings of the Slavic principalities. The arrival of the Bulgarians to the Balkan peninsula had permanent historical effect on the life of Byzantium and on the Serbs. Bulgarian ancestors, named by science Protobulgarians - nomads and horsemen - crossed the Danube in 680, settled on the territory between the Danube and the Balkan mountains, and imposed themselves as rulers of the Slavic population which lived in eight tribal regions. The assimilation of the Slavic and Protobulgarian population was quick, without formidable obstacles. Their state swooped southwards in the second half of the 8th century, striving to expand over the Slavic population inhabiting Thrace. The 50-year Bulgarian-Byzantine war, waged with variable fortune, settled the border between these two states. After that, Bulgarian expansion turned westward and at the opening of the 9th century, the Bulgarians came in contact with the Serbs." Nothing new!! "The war lasted for three years, probably between 836 and 852, and in it the Bulgarian Khan lost the "largest part of his army". This bespeaks of the strength of Vlastimir's state, which is known to have stretched over parts of present-day Herzegovina." So the greek b1tches who say Porphirogenitos is false, because Serbs were mentioned after 10th century, are total liars, hence SERVIA in greek makedonia, was indeed SERBIAN.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Dec 3, 2009 4:59:49 GMT -5
So Bulgarian expansionism is not a matter of IF, but a matter of WHEN and WHERE...
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Post by Patrinos on Dec 3, 2009 5:00:02 GMT -5
The slavic toponyms of southern Greece are neither serbian nor bulgarian...pyrro is the first whos trying to make such arguments... of course what guys like Vasmer know?...Pyrro is the man... The slavic toponyms in southern Greece were created before the 8th century, and we know the tribes that migrated, Miliggoi and Ezerites. Scholars understand it by the construction of the toponyms, e.g. there is a toponym Ghardhiki(in Peloponnese,Thessaly, Epiros, Albania), which come from the protoslavic gard(town) which after the patalization that occured among Slavs it became grad, in 8th-9th century. The - iki(anc.- ikion) in the end is a greek diminutive suffix, and these toponyms either were given by semihellenized local Slavs or gard had passed as loanword in local greek. And the medieval greek sources are not that reliable on naming people. In their desire to write texts that look more attic used names of ancient people to describe their contemporary. Neither the etymologies of that names were successful...like that with Servoi... it just reminded a known word, servula, and thought that are related... just like, e.g., they did with Sarmates, who they were called Savromates(lizard eyed...) to look more barbaric... PS. And Pyrro, about the biela...tin eheis kapsei?
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Post by Patrinos on Dec 3, 2009 5:08:26 GMT -5
also Smokovo is met in ..... PIREUS, yes you heard right.... Pireus the port of Athens. ;D ;D...omg...what the hell are you talking about...? the only source you know is the www.fallingrain.com/... which says that Smokovo is in Piraeus....??!! in the port.... its in Phtiotida...and thats how much history/geography you know.... the most high lever history text that you've read must be touristic leaflets....
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Dec 3, 2009 5:15:36 GMT -5
Patrine, den mporeis na milas etsi ston daskalo... how about SERVIANA IN ANCIENT OLYMPIA? www.protoporia.gr/product_info.php/products_id/129243How about Serviana in Giannena? how about Smokovo, Doliani, Bizani, Servia etc??? Do you find them in ... bulgaria? FYROM??? Patrine, do your homework, in this thread, i really have no more time.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Dec 3, 2009 5:19:09 GMT -5
also Smokovo is met in ..... PIREUS, yes you heard right.... Pireus the port of Athens. ;D ;D...omg...what the hell are you talking about...? the only source you know is the www.fallingrain.com/... which says that Smokovo is in Piraeus....??!! in the port.... its in Phtiotida...and thats how much history/geography you know.... the most high lever history text that you've read must be touristic leaflets.... Another source, i know, idiot, is MY OWN EYES. IDIOT. and btw, fthiotida-pireas,... big deal... still southern greece... Did you found a typo in fallingrain? GO AND REPORT IT THERE...
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Dec 3, 2009 5:26:57 GMT -5
"and these toponyms either were given by semihellenized local Slavs or gard had passed as loanword in local greek. "
you are an idiot. Slavs never got hellenized in Greece. THEY LEFT. There is no other explanation. WE LIVE AROUND SLAVIC TOPONYMS ALL OVER, BUT ooopss!! No slavs, what happened?
THE OBVIOUS HAPPENED IDIOT..
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Dec 3, 2009 5:27:40 GMT -5
kai den leme, EKASPSA biela, leme VARESA biela.... IDIOT To pistoni den kaigetai, spaei, IDIOT
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Post by Patrinos on Dec 3, 2009 5:32:26 GMT -5
Where Pyrros starts, logic ends.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Dec 3, 2009 6:04:34 GMT -5
If you refute just one single toponym case, or other sentence of mine (fallingrain typo was not my personal fault), i promise i will apologize for calling you an idiot. If you fail to do so, i will keep considering you as a clueless idiot.
The fact that Ancient Olympia (very close to where you are located) was colonized by Serbs is not my fault either.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Dec 3, 2009 6:08:23 GMT -5
Ghardhiki(in Peloponnese,Thessaly, Epiros, Albania), which come from the protoslavic gard(town) which after the patalization that occured among Slavs it became grad, in 8th-9th century. The - iki(anc.- ikion) in the end is a greek diminutive suffix, and these toponyms either were given by semihellenized local Slavs or gard had passed as loanword in local greek. do you know *any* slav which says city=GARD instead of GRAD? Do you have any sources for the ancient proto-slav word GARD=CITY? Or was it just another greek modification?
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Post by Patrinos on Dec 3, 2009 6:25:55 GMT -5
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