ioan
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Post by ioan on Dec 19, 2009 16:52:29 GMT -5
If you were indeed Bulgarian (which obviously you arent) u wouldnt speak about macaronians, macaronians... you will tell they are bulgarians because at the time they were.
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Post by rusebg on Dec 20, 2009 6:50:13 GMT -5
What I see is that you are a total dork, whoever you are. Even your arguments are a complete nonsense. If you wanted to attack someone who has insulted Bulgaria, you should have started with Rhezus, not Ioan. Fcvking easy to assess who is who in just several posts, especially when rezi claims fyromians are something utterly different from Bulgarians. Òà â òîçè ðåä íà ìèñëè, ïðèÿòåëþ, èìàø ëè íåùî íàïðîòèâ äà íàïèøåø íåùî íà áúëãàðñêè, çà äà ñå óâåðèì, ÷å íåùî íå íè ìîòàø?
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Post by Novi Pazar on Dec 20, 2009 6:53:51 GMT -5
^ Ioan, don't worry about this person, obviously he has come here to be a dykehead. Look, debate with serious people like me, pyrro, ruse and others, this guy is wasting your time.
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ioan
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Post by ioan on Dec 20, 2009 8:44:33 GMT -5
i know novi. its absurd. he sounds brainwashed which means he is fyromian.
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ivo
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Post by ivo on Dec 20, 2009 14:11:16 GMT -5
He did not make this conclusion about Ioan, it was aimed at another.. and I have to agree that there are many members on this forum who are very misinformed. Some of the Serb members display quite a bit of ignorance for example.
Ioan, I personally don't agree with taking jabs at Macedonians on the name basis.. ie. calling them Macaronians, Monkeydonians or whatever else. The issue is not with the general population of Macedonia, but rather a select few who are ‘governing’ the country. Those same people still foster the old Serb propaganda crap, and they force feed it to the people via the media. I personally think that if the Macedonno-Bulgarians want to call themselves Macedonian, they have the right to do so. I also think that if they choose to call their country Macedonia, and not Northern Macedonia, or Vardar Macedonia etc. they have the right to do so. After all, Bulgaria was the first to recognize Macedonia by its constitutional name.
It’s a rather unfortunate situation, as there is absolutely no difference between a Macedonian and a Bulgarian from Turnovo, or Varna for example and I know you know that. We are the same people, and have always been the same people. The only thing that differentiates us is politics, that’s all. We all, as Bulgarians, need to understand that the Macedonians that speak against Bulgaria are just not informed of the unbiased undeniable truth. Their knowledge is based on the hateful anti-Bulgarian propaganda that Serbia has been spewing in the region for nearly a century.
Macedonians (Macedonno-Bulgarians) have suffered greatly in the past 100 years. Worst of all, we betrayed ourselves.. as during communism we gave up on our own kin and left them in the Serbian sphere of influence. This, of course, was not the decision of the general population in Bulgaria but that of a select few idiotic politicians.
I think that Bulgaria and Macedonia can both benefit from working together in any aspect of life. I can only hope that one day the anti-Bulgarian propaganda in Macedonia will stop, and both Macedonians and Bulgarians will be reminded of the fact that we are one and the same people. Politically Bulgaria cannot recognize a separate Macedonian ethnicity, and I support this. However, in any other aspect of life, I think Bulgaria needs to be sensitive toward Macedonia.. and for the most part I think this is the case. But, Bulgaria really needs to step up and actively protect the rights of all those Macedonians who still proudly and publically identify as Bulgarians in the Republic of Macedonia.
His approach is not the most diplomatic, but it looks like it comes from the heart.
What!? Serious people like you and Gyrro!? Novi, you and Gyrro are two dimwitted pseudo-Serbs who are only serious about promoting the hateful and distorted anti-Bulgarian propaganda that has been spoon fed to you by your government. Both of ya’s ain’t nothing but racist vermin that would only understand a boot to the teeth.
Êâî ïðàèì áå áðàò!? Èçÿâÿâúø ñúãëàñèå ñ íÿêâî Ñðúáñêî ïåäåðìå êîåòî ãîâîðè ñðåùó Áúëãàðèÿ è Áúëãàðñêèÿ íàðîä.. è ùî? Òâà êîåòî Öàð Ñàìóèë ïèøå ìè èçãëåæäà êàòî ëè÷íà íàïàäêà, íå íàöèîíàëíà. Àêî ÷îâåêà å Áúëãàðèí îò Áúëãàðèÿ, Ìàêåäîíèÿ èëè êúäåòî äðóãàäå, òîâà êîåòî ïèøå èçëãëåæäà èñêðåííî. Ìèñëÿ ÷å ùå å ïî äîáðå àêî òàçè êàâãà å ïðîäúëæèòå íà Áúëãàðñêè èëè ïî ëè÷íè ñúîáùåíèÿ.
Tsar Sumil, we’ve had some instances on these forums where Serbs have claimed to be Bulgarians. Please reply back in either the Macedonian or the Bulgarian dialect of our common language.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Dec 20, 2009 14:44:06 GMT -5
What!? Serious people like you and Gyrro!? Novi, you and Gyrro are two dimwitted pseudo-Serbs who are only serious about promoting the hateful and distorted anti-Bulgarian propaganda that has been spoon fed to you by your government. Both of ya’s ain’t nothing but racist vermin that would only understand a boot to the teeth. ha ha ha, i just thought of revisiting the forums tonight, and it seems i found gold again!! Tadic is my government ? HA HA pure gold!! And the other clown Ioan, said smth about my identity as well! And Serbian government spoon feeds propaganda? Serbian Government hasn't dealt with Bulgaria since 1945 you idiot! + Serbian Government does not have the money to organize a proper St Sava feast here in Athens, would it have money to make .... propaganda? Serbian propaganda was so much active in the last 60 years, that Serbs in Bosnia learned that they were Serbs just when the muslims started their illegal elections/anexations..... This bonbon about Serbian propaganda is really getting old and rotten. If there was some substance about the "Bulgarianness" of southern Serbs, then i can assure you that South Serbia would have gone away much earlier than Croatia/BiH/CG LMAO Novi Bro! I know you are a serious and nice person. Find a forum of people *EQUAL* to you and spend some constructive time there. Stop wasting time with those alien ants. And Tsar samouil, the biggest crimes against Serbs were done by central/eastern Bulgos as eastern Serbs have many times reported. (and of course not Fyromaks) Watching your senseless fight with equally stupid morons like Ruse and Ioan is (well was..) a pleasure. Keep up the good work!
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ivo
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Post by ivo on Dec 20, 2009 16:28:13 GMT -5
The anti-Bulgarian propaganda in Serbia is not as active today as it was 50 years ago, but it's still there. The anti-Bulgarian propaganda in Macedonia is rooted in Serbian politics.
Once more, Gyrro shows us his inferior comprehension abilities. But one can’t expect much from a hateful racist vermin such as Gyrro.. or Novi for that matter.
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Post by rusebg on Dec 20, 2009 17:45:59 GMT -5
Provided that he is Bulgarian which I still doubt. For the many years I have spent in these forums I can defend the point of any nation, nothing easier than that. I say it again, Rhezus' points are much more offensive than those of Ioan, especially considering this post was intended as an irony.
Otherwise I would like to congatulate the next successful escape of Gyrro from one of the Greek mental institutions. Amazing Garu-Garu, this Gyrro.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Dec 20, 2009 18:06:27 GMT -5
"Once more, Gyrro shows us his inferior comprehension abilities. But one can’t expect much from a hateful racist vermin such as Gyrro.. or Novi for that matter."
Asen, look, l shouldn't be explaining myself here, but you must admit there is a difference between us, than this stupid tsarsamuil user. We are upfront because we want a serious debate and serious debating promotes serious discussions. Tsarsamuil, do you see, is taking the crap out of you guys, and as Ruse said above, is playing this irony game which is making me sick.
Yes, we will be rude and offensive at times as we both except the same in reply, this shows readers how serious we all are and its good entertainment for them also.
Finally, l'm an advocate for freedom of speech.
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ivo
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Post by ivo on Dec 21, 2009 0:52:24 GMT -5
Agreed.
Novi, you think that what you and Gyrro do is somehow scholarly!? Yet, all you do is copy/paste information that is self contradictory half the time and fully distorted and one sided the other half. Now, go rim job Gyrro. I'm sure you'll make his night.
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ioan
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Post by ioan on Dec 21, 2009 1:43:20 GMT -5
àñåí, íå ìèñëÿ, ÷å ñàìóèë å áúëãàðèí. íèêîé áúëãàðèí íå ìîæå äà å òîëêîâà òúï, ÷å äà íå ñõâàíå èðîíèÿòà íà ïúðâèÿ ïîñò, êîéòî å ïðÿêî íàñî÷åí êúì ìàêåäîíöèòå è òåõíàòà îìðàçà êúì âñè÷êî áúëãàðñêî. íàäàëè ñàìóèë ùå äîéäå äà äåáàòèðàìå íà áúëãàðñêè... çàùîòî å ìàêåäîíåö. åäèíñòâåíî ìàêåäîíåö ìîæå äà ñå îáèäè îò ïúðâèÿ ïîñò. âñúùíîñò äîñåãà åäèíñòâåíèÿ ìè èçÿâåí ïðîòèâíèê òóê å áèë äåìîñòåí, òúé êàòî ñúì ïðåäñòàâÿë ìíîãî ìàòåðèàëè êîèòî äîêàçâàò ÷å ìàêåäîíöèòå ñà áúëãàðè (êîåòî ñà ïðàâèëè è äðóãèòå áúëãàðè). êîåòî ìå íàâåäå íà ìèñúëòà, ÷å òîé å äåìîñòåí èëè íÿêúêúâ äðóã ìàêåäîíåö. íå ñúì ñúãëñåí ñ äóíäóðêàíåòî íà ìàêåäîíöèòå, êîåòî ïðåäëàãàø. Ñëåä 20 ãîäèíè ìèñëÿ, ÷å å î÷åâèäíî, ÷å òîçè ïîäõîä íå äàâà ðåçóëòàò - òå ñòàâàò ïî-íàãëè. Ìíîãî áúëãàðè (äîðè ìíîçèíñòâîòî) ñà íà òîâà ìíåíèå. Íå ñà ñ ïðîìèòè ìîçúöè ñàìî óïðàâëÿâàùèòå â Ìàêåäîíèÿ, àç ñúì ãîâîðèë ñ äîñòà ìàêåäîíöè è âñè÷êè ñ÷èòàò, ÷å ñà ñè ðàçëè÷åí íàðîä îò íàñ. Êàêòî ïðàâèëíî Ðóñå êàçà, Ðåçóñ å êàçâàë äîñòà îáèäíè çà áúëãàðèòå íåùà. Íî àòàêè ñðåùó íåãî íÿìà, òúé êàòî òîé ñ÷èòà ÷å ìàêåäîíöèòå ñà îòäåëíà îò áúëãàðèòå íàöèÿ. Ðåçóñ äàæå íå ïðèçíàâà íàöèÿòà íè. Àç íèêîãà íå ñúì îáèæäàë Áúëãàðèÿ èëè áúëãàðèòå, íàïðîòèâ. Òàêà, ÷å òåçè àòàêè ñà íåçàñëóæåíè è ñà ëîãè÷íè ñàìî, àêî ñàìóåë å ìàêåäîíåö.
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ivo
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Post by ivo on Dec 21, 2009 10:42:58 GMT -5
Äà áå ÿñíî, çà ñúæàëåíèå ìíîãî îò äíåñêàøíèòå Ìàêåäîíöè ñè ìèñëÿò ÷å ñà íàïúëíî ðàçëè÷íè îò Áúëãàðèòå.. íî òå ïðîñòî òàêà ñà èçó÷åíè ÷ðåç ôàëøèâè ôàêòè.
Åäèí äðóã ïî ãîëÿì ïðîáåëì å ÷å äîñòà îò Áúëãàðèòå äíåñ ñúùî èçðàñòâàò ñ ìèñúëòà ÷å Ìàêåäîíöèòå ñà äðóã íàðîä. È ìèñëÿ ÷å ïðå÷èíàòà çà òîâà å ÷å Áúëãàðñêàòà ïîëèòèêà íå å äîñòàòú÷íî àêòèâíà ñïðÿìî Ìàêåäîíèÿ.
Èíà÷å çà èìåòî è òàêà íà òàòúê, íåêà ñè ñåäè. Ãúðöèòå çà ìåí ñà åäíè ìàçíè êîïåëåòà ñúùî êàêòî è Ñúðáèòå êîèòî ñà íè çàáèâàëè íîæ â ãúðáà ìíîãî ïúòè.. à óæ ñìå áèëè 'Ïðàâîñëàâíè áðàòÿ', èëè 'Ñëàâÿíî-Ïðàâîñëàâíè áðàòÿ'. Òàêà ÷å, àêî Ìàêåäîíöèòå íå ñè èçÿñíúò èñòèíàòà çà íàøåòî îáùî è åäíàêâî ìèíàëî.. íÿìà äà å çëå ïîíå äâåòå íè äúðæàâè äà ñå ñðàáîòÿò çàåäíî êúì íÿêàêâî ïî äîáðî áúäèùå.
À çà Ðåçóñ, òîâà ïðîñòî å îùå åäèí æàëúê ïðèìåð íà ÷îâåê êîéòî ïëþå íàä âñè÷êî Áúëãàðñêî è îòðè÷à èñòèíàòà.
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ivo
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Post by ivo on Dec 21, 2009 10:47:45 GMT -5
Regarding Tsar Samuil, I seriously think that what he has posted is more or less accurate. I can only hope that he is sincere.
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ioan
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Post by ioan on Dec 21, 2009 10:54:20 GMT -5
 èñòîðè÷åñêè ïëàí ñúðáèòå è ãúðöèòå ñà íè çàáèâàëè íîæ â ãúðáà. Âúïðåêè òîâà, ñ÷èòàì, ÷å â ìîìåíòà îòíîøåíèÿòà íè ñ Ãúðöèÿ ñà ìíîãî äîáðè. Òå ìíîãî íè ïîìîãíàõà çà ÅÑ. Êàòî öÿëî äíåñ èìàìå ìíîãî îáùè èíòåðåñè è ñïîðåä ìåí òå ùå áúäàò íàøè ïðèÿòåëè. Ñúðáèòå ñà ïî-ñïåöèôè÷åí ñëó÷àé, òúé êàòî çà ìåí òå ñà íàíñåëè ìíîãî ïî-âå÷å âðåäè íà áúëãàðèòå: ãîâîðÿ èìåííî çà ìàêåäîíöèòå. Òå ñà ñðúáñêî òâîðåíèå. Âúïðåêè âñè÷êî, ñ íÿêîè îò òÿõ, êàòî Àðñåíèå áúëãàðèòå ìîãàò äà ñà ïðèÿòåëè. Êîëêîòî äî ìàêåäîíöèòå: íà òîçè åòàï òå ÷óâñòâàò ñúðáèòå ìíîãî ïî-áëèçêè, çà íåùàñòèå. Íàäàëè íåùî ùå ñå ïðîìåíè- ïðåêàëåíî ìíîãî âðåìå å ìèíàëî è ìíîãî ëúæè ñà ïðèåòè êàòî ôàêòè.
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ivo
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Post by ivo on Dec 21, 2009 12:02:57 GMT -5
Õåõ, äà äå.. òå â ìîìåíòà íÿìàò îñîáåííî ãîëÿìà ïðå÷èíà äà íå íè õàðåñâàò.  êðàéíà ñìåòêà, Ãúðöèÿ ïðîñïèðàðå ÷ðåç óïîòðåáàòà íà çåìè êîèòî ñà Áúëãàðñêè. Íî òå âñå îùå ïîäòèñêàòà Áúëãàðñêîòî â Ãúðöèÿ è õîðàòà êîèòî ñå ÷óâñòâàò Áúëãàðè. Áÿõ ÷åë çà äâà ãðàäà òî÷íî íà ãðàíèöàòà, Çëàòîãðàä è Êñàíòè ìàé.. è Ãúðöèÿ óìèøëåíî äúðæè ãðàíèöàòà çàòâîðåíà â òàçè çîíà çà äà ïðåäîòâðàòÿò ëåñåí äîñòúï äî Áúëãàðèÿ íà ãðàæäàíèòå â Êñàíòè. À õîðàòà â Êñàíòè, ìèñëÿ ÷å ïðåäèìíî èñïîâÿäâàò èñëÿìà.. íî ÿñíî ñå ñàìîîïðåäåëÿò êàòî Áúëãàðè.
Ñëåä äúæä, êà÷óëêà.. Äà áå, íèå íàèñòèíà òðÿáâà äà ñìå ìíîãî áëàãîäàðíè íà Ãúðöèÿ.. âñå åäíî äà îñúêàòèø íÿêîè, èëè äà ìó ñ÷óïèø êðàêàòà è ïîñëå äà ìó äàäåø ïàòåðèöè ïà äà ìîæå äà êðåòà íà ñàì íà òàì.
Òî ÷å èìàìå îáùè èíòåðåñåè èìàìå, íî â òîâà òàêà íàðå÷íî 'ïðèÿòåëñòâî' ñ Ãúðöèÿ.. íàøåòà äúðæàâà âèíèãà ùå îñòàâà íà çàäåí ïëàí. Áúëãàðèÿ ùå ñåäè îñòðàíè äà ñúáèðà òðîõèòå íà íÿêâè ïðîñòè êîïåëåòà.
Ãúðöèòå ñà íè êëàëè ïî íàïúëíî ñúùèÿ íà÷èí êàêòî è Ñúðáèòå êîãàòî ñìå ñå èçÿâàâàëè êàòî Áúëãàðè â Ìàêåäîíèà. Íî â ïî ñêîðî âðåìå ñè ïðàâ, ÷å Ñðúáñêàòà ïîëèòèêà îòäåëè Ìàêåäîíöèòå îò Áúëãàðèÿ.. è îùå ïî ëîøîòî å ÷å ïî âðåìåòå íà Ãåîðãè Äèìèòðîâ, Áúëãàðèÿ ñå å îòêàçàëà îò Ìàêåäîíöèòå è äîðè â Ïèðèí Áúëãàðñêèÿ ïàðëàìåíò ãè å êàðàë Áúëãàðèòå äà ñå íàðè÷àò Ìàêåäîíöè. Òàêà ÷å íèå ñàìè ñìå äîïðåíåñëè êúì ïëà÷åâíîòî ñúñòîÿíèå êîåòî å äíåñêàøíà Ìàêåäîíèÿ, è çà êâî? Çà äà çàäîâîëèì íÿêâè Ðóñêè è Ñðúáñêè èíòåðåñè!? È äíåñ, Áúëãàðèÿ îò íîâî ñëàãà ÷óæäè èíòåðåñè ïðåäè ñîáñòâåíèòå ñè..
Äà ñúãëàñåí ñúì, èìà äîñòà ñâÿñòíè õîðà. Ïúê è âñå ïàê, öÿëà èçòî÷íà Ñúðáèÿ ñà ïðîñòî àñèìèëèðàíè Áúëãàðè.
Íèêîãà íå å êúñíî, íî Áúëãàðèÿ òðÿáâà äà ïîäõâàíå ïî ñåðèîçíà ïîëèòèêà ñïðÿìî Ìàêåäîíèÿ.
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Post by rusebg on Dec 22, 2009 17:00:35 GMT -5
 èíòåðåñ íà èñòèíàòà, ñåãà òîçè ïúò å îòâîðåí, ïî-ñêîðî íàïðàâåí å íîâ è âå÷å õîðàòà íÿìà íóæäà äà ìèíàâàò ïî îêîëî 300 è íåùî êì çà åäíî ðàçñòîÿíèå ïî ïðÿêà ëèíèÿ, êîåòî å îò îêîëî 10-20.
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ivo
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Post by ivo on Dec 22, 2009 17:18:07 GMT -5
Íå çíàåõ ÷å ñà ãî îòâîðèëè. Òîâà å ìíîãî äîáðå.
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Post by rusebg on Dec 22, 2009 17:21:56 GMT -5
Àáå äà ñè õîäÿò íà ãîñòè õîðàòà è äà ñè ïèÿò ðàêèÿòà ìèðíî è êðîòêî Ïðåäè ãîäèíè èìàøå åäèí äîêóìåíòàëåí ôèëì çà áúëãàðèòå îò ãðúöêàòà ÷àñò è íÿêàêúâ ðàçïðàâÿøå êàêâè ãðåøêè íà åçèêà ñå ïîëó÷àâàò. Òå êàçâàò ïèëå íà ïúäïúäúê è òîé äîøúë â Áúëãàðèÿ è â íÿêàêâà êðú÷ìà ñè ïîðú÷àë ïåò ïèëåòà. Ñåðâèòüîðà ñå îáëåùèë îòíà÷àëî, íî ìó ãè äîíåñúë è ïîñëå ÷îâåêà íà ñâîé ðåä ñå îçúáèë âñå ïàê ïåò ïèëåòà ñà ìíîãî çà ñàì ÷îâåê, êàêòî è äà ãî ãëåäàø.
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ivo
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Post by ivo on Dec 22, 2009 17:51:41 GMT -5
Ùî áå, ìîæå äà å áèë ñïîðòèñò ÷îâåêà è å èçêàë äà âêàðà ìàëêî ïðîòåèí.
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