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Post by Rhezus on Nov 26, 2009 19:40:36 GMT -5
That would be like putting right things to the right place. They should always claim the Thrax heritage, even now, today! I don't see why or any reason to think as you said above.. Thracians then shall rather consider the Thrax descendacy as the main part of the nation's ethnic compound. You are in deep illusion and you are hopelessly speculating. No, they will just give all the neccessary respect needed, to its real origin and roots. Thrace and Thracians do existed, on the very lands here, thousands of years, before any bulgars had the slightest idea of where was Thrace situated and who were the Thracians? Don't be so sure about that! Maybe they should not deny facts as they are denied now.. Again, all is your own speculation theory. They would be quite concious that their related brothers live in different countries today.. due to Balkan wars and due to borders changes after all. They should consider even Romanians and Makedonians as close related ppl too! Dacians, Peonians, Makedonians.. you know. Not at all, unless Greeks or Turks do not deny the Thracian minorities in GR and TR. Pure specualtions.. They will probably live in peace with their neighbours (instead of forcing them to have a bulgar awareness). ioan.. So that should have given you a thought: Are these people related to any steppe-bulgars or are they related to our local Thracian (and slavic population)?!
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Nov 27, 2009 1:48:42 GMT -5
Shut it you low life. You are the laughing stock of the forums so your comments are null and void. Bye. Oh yeah? those people laughing, aren't laughing very loud, are they ;D ;D Also, even if indeed i was the laughing stock, you would still have to use some kind of explicit logic to support your BS. As i said numerous times, (but your "lawyer" head cannot grasp), is that Truth is not a matter of majority, democracy, or who barks louder than the others. Truth is about logic, idiot, something, you are far away of having some... You are a complete distorter of the truth, helpless, defeated, and the more you deny it, the more harm you do to your self.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Nov 27, 2009 1:58:54 GMT -5
Rhezus, Ioan, sorry guys, but you both speak BIG BS here... THRACIAN MINORITY? Rhezus do you know how much of "Thracian" customs were already incorporated in Greek customs at 700 BC? How can you speak about an (admittedly large) but now extinct nation, the Thracians? What language did they speak? Gods? Habits? Written documents? Scripts? Monuments? Arts? This Thracian thing seems to me more artificial than the albo-Illyrian mega-BS.
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Post by ioan on Nov 27, 2009 3:45:26 GMT -5
INTERESTING TEORY ABOUT THE ORIGIN OF THE SERBS: (I wouldnt be surprised that it will come out that they have similar fate as the Bulgars and the slavs that mixed later and that the original Serbs come from the same places as the Bulgars, which will make all that racial hatred towards the Bulgarians very very laughable) Tacius (c.a. 50 A.D) says that in the tribe Serboi lives in Caucasus and there are linguistic similarities between Serbian and Chechens . Pliny (c.a. 69-75 A.D) also says that Serbs (Serboi) live near the Cimmerians (who live in Caucasus).
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Nov 27, 2009 3:54:02 GMT -5
Take this!:
HE HE HE
Now Vlastimirovic does not sound too "chechen" does it? Unless Chechens back then were SLAVS=SERBS!!!
HAH HA HA HA
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Post by ioan on Nov 27, 2009 4:00:24 GMT -5
OTHER EXPLANATION OF THE NAME OF THE CITY THAT NOVI STATES NON STOP GORDOSERBON It is assumed by some that Gordoserbon derives from old slavic "GORD" meaning town, so the name could be translated as "the city of the Serbs". However it seems unlikely that the Roman speaking or Greek speaking people would use slavic words to describe a town within their empire. It was situated in Anatolia. In Anatolia there lived the Phrygians and in anatolia it was situated the Lidian empire. The capital of Phrygia was GORDIUM. GORDOSERBON WAS SITUATED NEAR THE ANCIENT CAPITAL OF THE LIDIANS called SARDIS. So that city could ve gotten his name from both those cities. www.scribd.com/doc/21800418/Theories-on-the-Origin-of-the-Serbs
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Post by ioan on Nov 27, 2009 4:13:12 GMT -5
ALSO HERODOTUS in his "Persian Wars" in 5 th CENTURY mentions that SERBS live whereeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee? ?? Bingo... Caucasus...
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Post by ioan on Nov 27, 2009 4:30:42 GMT -5
ALSO Bulgarians are often riduculed by the Serbs that the old Bulgars came from Volga (like there is something wrong with it). Well, guess what? ?? In Georgian the river Volga is called..... RASHKI, which strangely resembles the name of the first serbian state RASHKA . It is found whenever the name Serb is found in clusters indicating settlement and is often used to designate hydronims and likely meant RIVER or WATER in "Old Serbian".
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Post by Caslav Klonimirovic on Nov 27, 2009 4:41:36 GMT -5
Ioan, Serbs for the most part don't have any intention to ridicule Bulgarians. Maybe it's just an eastern Serb Torlak thing with Novi.
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Post by ioan on Nov 27, 2009 5:06:28 GMT -5
Arsenije, I deffinately do not include you in the list of the Serbs that try to ridicule Bulgarians because Bulgars came from Caucasus. You have proven to be one of the most clever, unpropagandistic and as a whole cool Serb. But again we have Novi with his antibulgarian, racist filled with hatred remarks, who actually do choose to overlook lots of facts or hypothesis in the Serbian history. On the other hand he states as facts hypothesis on Bulgarian history that he thinks are degradating for us (for example that the Bulgars are Turks, which is untrue, the hypothesis is that Bulgars are Turkic). And we have Pyrro with his racist remarks about us being mongols etc... When the facts are that there are lots of similar hypothesis about the origin of the Bulgars and the Serboi.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Nov 27, 2009 5:54:39 GMT -5
Ioan, Serbs for the most part don't have any intention to ridicule Bulgarians. Maybe it's just an eastern Serb Torlak thing with Novi. if you could locate Novi Pazar in the map, you would see that it is just next to Bosnia. Dude, i really cannot grasp your obsession with those "eastern" serbs, especially when you have never been in any eastern/southern part of Serbia. (that is obvious from miles away). And Southern Serbs have any right to be hostile to the Bulgars, as they are claiming Serbian lands, just like Bosnian Serbs have any right to be hostile to the mudjahedins as they are claiming Serbian land as well... (calling RS a fake genocidal entity, etc...)
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Post by Caslav Klonimirovic on Nov 27, 2009 6:12:55 GMT -5
Ioan, Serbs for the most part don't have any intention to ridicule Bulgarians. Maybe it's just an eastern Serb Torlak thing with Novi. if you could locate Novi Pazar in the map, you would see that it is just next to Bosnia. Dude, i really cannot grasp your obsession with those "eastern" serbs, especially when you have never been in any eastern/southern part of Serbia. (that is obvious from miles away). And Southern Serbs have any right to be hostile to the Bulgars, as they are claiming Serbian lands, just like Bosnian Serbs have any right to be hostile to the mudjahedins as they are claiming Serbian land as well... (calling RS a fake genocidal entity, etc...) Well I'm not into conspiracy theories so I doubt that Bulgarians have any general intentions to grab land. And the Eastern Serbs, the Torlaks certainly do have a lot in common with Bulgarians. Of all Serbs anywhere they are the most different in comparisson to the rest. I am not being condescending to them in any way I can guarantee you. There's nothing wrong with who they are. They are similar people to Bulgarians so I really don't see the need for animosity. True I haven't been to Torlak regions but I do know a handful of Serbs from there. My best mate is a Torlak. I always thought they are very similar to FYROMians & this is the way Serbs talk about them amongst our selves. One of them I know has a family tree in a frame on his wall. It's traced back quite a few generations to a Bulgarian name. He openly says that he has Bulgarian background, but he's very proud of being a Serb. There's nothing contradictory about it. Also I recently met a Torlak & I swear I said to her I thought she looked Bulgarian. I was joking around with her a bit that she's Bulgarian. At first she was pretending to be pissed off & then after a while I swear she told me her dad was Bulgarian! Torlaks are Torlaks. In a way they are their own people. Through history they have come to be within and identify with each of Bulgaria or Serbia. And anyway, I am not the one obsessed with them. It's you & Novi who try to make out that they are the original Serbs or something which is not true, opposite even. Novi even said once that Torlak was the original Serbian dialect which is just ridiculous.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Nov 27, 2009 7:22:13 GMT -5
Arsenije, in the bosnian war there have been many Serbian paramilitaries, and one team was from Eastern Serbia. I wanna ask you, if tomorrow, lets say, Ioan or Ruse becomes president of Bahlgariah and attacks the ancient Bulgarian city of Nis, would you go there to help? Or will you consider it as a natural consequence, Bulgarians taking over righteously old Bulgarian lands?
PS i 100% believe that those lands were under bulgarian rule, but their language apparently "lasted" all those intervals of Bulgarian pressures. Nislije/Leskovcani *traditinally* use 3-4 cases where Bulgarians dont remember when they lost them. Isn;t that weird for Bulgarians?
Also, man, hear that: The -eo ending in Serbia is from Smederevo dialect.
Beo, Ceo, ja sam rekao, Ja sam pekao, etc...
The pure Croatian/Bosnian would be : Bijeli, Cijeli, ja sam rekal, ja sam pekal, etc... So, i think there is enough ground for Serbians from Belgrade to denounce you from Serbs, and you to denounce all those -thraco-something southern/eastern Serbs, ok?
Also, there is enough ground to split Croats in three pieces, as well, ok?
You get the picture...
I would also like to tell you to study the Bulgarian Yakavica (official) dialect (provided you wont get crazy ideas about Bosnian Serbs being Bulgarians as well).
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ONLY one thing made me a little bit skeptic about Nis and Pirot. During 2000, and while Serbia was under sanctions regarding heating fuel, (yes you heard right, heating fuel) there was an EU delegation at the border aiming at giving heating fuel to .... Nis and Pirot only!!! (while the rest of Serbia would be left to die from cold...) Those EU hypocrites, at the border, said that it was inhumane to not let this fuel cargo get to its destination... and the good humans of Nis and Pirot to live in under zero temperatures... (while the rest of Serbia would of course suffer their criminal sanctions...)
Well, both Nis and Pirot had voted for "Zaedno"...
For me that was the only "weird" thing i have seen about those regions.
Arsenije, under those circumstances, I GUARANTEE you, if the western hawks had sought some "bulgarian" opportunity, they would have grabbed it without second thought. Thus, those people are funken plain serbian, and me and you losing our time over trivial matters.
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Post by ioan on Nov 27, 2009 8:13:04 GMT -5
Well I'm not into conspiracy theories so I doubt that Bulgarians have any general intentions to grab land. And the Eastern Serbs, the Torlaks certainly do have a lot in common with Bulgarians. Of all Serbs anywhere they are the most different in comparisson to the rest. I am not being condescending to them in any way I can guarantee you. There's nothing wrong with who they are. They are similar people to Bulgarians so I really don't see the need for animosity. True I haven't been to Torlak regions but I do know a handful of Serbs from there. My best mate is a Torlak. I always thought they are very similar to FYROMians & this is the way Serbs talk about them amongst our selves. One of them I know has a family tree in a frame on his wall. It's traced back quite a few generations to a Bulgarian name. He openly says that he has Bulgarian background, but he's very proud of being a Serb. There's nothing contradictory about it. Also I recently met a Torlak & I swear I said to her I thought she looked Bulgarian. I was joking around with her a bit that she's Bulgarian. At first she was pretending to be pissed off & then after a while I swear she told me her dad was Bulgarian! Torlaks are Torlaks. In a way they are their own people. Through history they have come to be within and identify with each of Bulgaria or Serbia.And anyway, I am not the one obsessed with them. It's you & Novi who try to make out that they are the original Serbs or something which is not true, opposite even. Novi even said once that Torlak was the original Serbian dialect which is just ridiculous. Thank you for this post. If the other Serbs were like you, Bulgarians would have love them to death. You are clever, unbiased guy and I agree with everything you ve said.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Nov 27, 2009 8:43:16 GMT -5
I used to love Bulgarians to death, after my trip to Sofia as well, unfortunately, that didn't stop idiots like you and Ruse/Asen continuing to breaking our balls with your Bulgarian this, Bulgarian that, Bulgarian Novi, Bulgarian Belgrade, Bulgarian Epirus, with your ... Bulgarian barbie-land, in short.
And if you can piss off people who "might" like Bulgarians, then no wonder why you fail miserably with the rest of them.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Nov 27, 2009 8:45:22 GMT -5
Thank you for this post. If the other Serbs were like you, Bulgarians would have love them to death. You are clever, unbiased guy and I agree with everything you ve said. Translation: If all Serbs had lost their homes/pride/identity and had become : Bosniaks, Croats, Bulgarians that would be great!!! One regional power-competitor less in the balkans!
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Post by rusebg on Nov 27, 2009 12:26:29 GMT -5
Do you see those guys, Pyrro, the ones with white aprons running toward you...get up from the computer and hide in the basement as quickly as possible.
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Post by Emperor AAdmin on Nov 27, 2009 12:37:03 GMT -5
I think that people should separate politics from real life and certainly not dislike regular people cause of it. In my own life I have had and still do many Albanians as close friends as I do Bulgarians (whom I really do not experience as separate people) or Turks. Once one goes through that initial mental stereotype a person becomes a person. Interacting with Balkan people makes me see how similar we are on so many levels.
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Post by todhrimencuri on Nov 27, 2009 18:17:38 GMT -5
Politics and ethnicity is inseperable in the Balkans. Sorry for those who are dillusional to think otherwise. You will never be able to fully truthful with that person if they are of hostile ethnicity, and therefore you will never feel completely comfortable around them. In the end, once the raki comes out, the truth comes as well... and once the truth seeps through thats when tensions rise. I never get that kind of tension when Im around Turks, Bosnians or Croatians, or hell even Bulgarians. It does rise when Im around Montenegrin (Serbs), Serbs or Greeks, however.
If you do think otherwise, then you are now an American. Thats what separates Albanian-Americans from Albanians for me. If a Kosovar Albanian can somehow be proud of her Kosovar origin and simultaneously of some Greek sub-ancestry (a girl i know is like this)... then she is American, not Albanian.
Similarly, if you say "Im proud to be Serb-Albanian" or "I love everyone"... then you are most likely American.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Nov 28, 2009 3:54:34 GMT -5
if you could locate Novi Pazar in the map, you would see that it is just next to Bosnia. Dude, i really cannot grasp your obsession with those "eastern" serbs, especially when you have never been in any eastern/southern part of Serbia. (that is obvious from miles away). And Southern Serbs have any right to be hostile to the Bulgars, as they are claiming Serbian lands, just like Bosnian Serbs have any right to be hostile to the mudjahedins as they are claiming Serbian land as well... (calling RS a fake genocidal entity, etc...) Well I'm not into conspiracy theories so I doubt that Bulgarians have any general intentions to grab land. And the Eastern Serbs, the Torlaks certainly do have a lot in common with Bulgarians. Of all Serbs anywhere they are the most different in comparisson to the rest. I am not being condescending to them in any way I can guarantee you. There's nothing wrong with who they are. They are similar people to Bulgarians so I really don't see the need for animosity. True I haven't been to Torlak regions but I do know a handful of Serbs from there. My best mate is a Torlak. I always thought they are very similar to FYROMians & this is the way Serbs talk about them amongst our selves. One of them I know has a family tree in a frame on his wall. It's traced back quite a few generations to a Bulgarian name. He openly says that he has Bulgarian background, but he's very proud of being a Serb. There's nothing contradictory about it. Also I recently met a Torlak & I swear I said to her I thought she looked Bulgarian. I was joking around with her a bit that she's Bulgarian. At first she was pretending to be pissed off & then after a while I swear she told me her dad was Bulgarian! Torlaks are Torlaks. In a way they are their own people. Through history they have come to be within and identify with each of Bulgaria or Serbia. And anyway, I am not the one obsessed with them. It's you & Novi who try to make out that they are the original Serbs or something which is not true, opposite even. Novi even said once that Torlak was the original Serbian dialect which is just ridiculous. Just one thing more... Its stated that Bosnian muslims have your-how-is-called-super-Serb-haplo-something gene in higher percentage than Bosnian Serbs right? Could it be that Bosnian muslims are the *original* Serbs, and Bosnian Serbs just an "immitation"? And if this is the case, then a Leskovcanin could say that Bosnians are Bosnians, are their own people, speak the same language, Bosnian Serbs most of the time get along better with Bosnian muslims than Srbijanci, etc... you get the picture... Imagine Bosnia being in this "integrated" state, as is the current trend, for 50-100 years... In 20-30 years, people would have forgotten the wars, new school books would be printed, and in 50-100 years, we will be talking about BOSNIAN (muslim-semi-orthodox) ethnicity, (you will say kahva=kafa, etc...) In the same time, imagine some southern serb, coming to say that you are NO serbs... How would it it feel? What happened to southern serbs in the past, is probably going to happen to Bosnian Serbs as we speak.... PS Its really striking, how many of the tall-blonde *superserbs" converted to Islam, and denounced their Serbdom, while the..... semi-*serbish*-semi-*bulgarish* southern serbs not only kept the Serbian flag high, but also suffered terrific losses while fighting the turks... Not to include that Southern Serbia had industry and technology when in Slovenia and Croatia they were playing the sheep shepherds... What else to say? I personally am finished with this...
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