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Post by Anittas on Jul 26, 2010 8:41:13 GMT -5
I don't have the statistics that show how many Hungarians are famous compared to Romanians living in the West; and altough there might be a relevance to how that may affect the image, it would still be a propaganda thing, since the prominent people would promote their own culture--thus, the more, the stronger.
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Post by Catcher in the Rye on Jul 26, 2010 9:16:13 GMT -5
All your effort, dezboy, doesn't change the fact that you're a puny nation. Obviously I was right when i wrote that you think otherwise. That's one of the cause of your misery.
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Post by dezboy on Jul 26, 2010 9:44:05 GMT -5
anittas "thus, the more, the stronger." is a contradiction. Romania is a fairly large country, has its size and population gotten you anything?
Catcher in the Rye, small in relative size(we all know the reasons) but large in everything else. There's no effort at all on my part, facts speak for themselves. The misery it seems is all yours, you obviously have an inferiority complex.
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Post by Catcher in the Rye on Jul 26, 2010 10:01:58 GMT -5
Leaving aside our complexes, you seem to be the one that tries very hard to prove us how great his nation is. I don't know how is that called but it's not right. Still you're ego is much greater than your worth, like i said that's a cause of great misery for many Hungarians and probably a cause for the big number of suicides.
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Post by dezboy on Jul 26, 2010 11:13:40 GMT -5
I was wondering when "suicide" would pop up in your remarks. So ego is a part of misery which leads to suicide, thats a good one I've never heard that before
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Post by Anittas on Jul 26, 2010 13:56:24 GMT -5
anittas "thus, the more, the stronger." is a contradiction. Romania is a fairly large country, has its size and population gotten you anything? There's no contradiction because I was referring to the prominent immigrants living in the West and I think Hungary had a fairly higher percentage of prominent immigrants than Romania--mostly due to its closeness to Central Europe. Romania hasn't been this large (not geographically and not population wise) for a very long time.
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Post by oszkarthehun on Jul 27, 2010 8:09:55 GMT -5
Leaving aside our complexes, you seem to be the one that tries very hard to prove us how great his nation is. I don't know how is that called but it's not right. Still you're ego is much greater than your worth, like i said that's a cause of great misery for many Hungarians and probably a cause for the big number of suicides. Im not saying the same is not true for other countries nor do I say Hungary is the best or better than others. But Hungary has produced some great things that it can be proud of nothing wrong with that.
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Post by diurpaneus on Jul 28, 2010 2:16:06 GMT -5
hello fellow vlachs. I just returned from Austria for summer and I'm a bit dissapointed. This forum is abandoned. Tho, I must admit I'm happy to see ungaro and anittas back in our ranks. How's life in Bucharest, Anittas? That city would be the last place on earth I imagined you would live in. If the company you work for has a branch in Cluj, come here. We're civilized and we're not tatar gypsies. And the hungarians from Cluj are really really nice people. They don't give a chit about the past, Trianon and other shit. Unlike thier brethren from Harghita/Covasna/Satu-Mare/Mures they live in the present, not in the past. You'll become a transylvanian in no-time and the scars Bucharest left on your poor soul will heal in no-time. I missed you ungaro. Give Diurpaneus a nice big hug And I'm sorry... when talking with or about ungaro I can't hold myself from posting this...
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Post by dezboy on Jul 29, 2010 9:14:52 GMT -5
anittas, I don't think Hungary's proximity to the west has anything to do with it. Hungarians have always looked for advancement and enlightenment. Thats why from the earliest yrs. after the Hungarian arrival in europe Hungary adopted the latin language and alphabet and looked toward Rome. There is a definite difference between the balkans and the rest of europe.
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Post by oszkarthehun on Jul 29, 2010 18:57:34 GMT -5
Dezboy just to let you know the Hungarian Transylvania forum has now opened up as a subforum to the Hungarian forum. anittas, I don't think Hungary's proximity to the west has anything to do with it. Hungarians have always looked for advancement and enlightenment. Thats why from the earliest yrs. after the Hungarian arrival in europe Hungary adopted the latin language and alphabet and looked toward Rome. There is a definite difference between the balkans and the rest of europe.
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Post by Anittas on Jul 30, 2010 6:04:09 GMT -5
anittas, I don't think Hungary's proximity to the west has anything to do with it. Hungarians have always looked for advancement and enlightenment. Thats why from the earliest yrs. after the Hungarian arrival in europe Hungary adopted the latin language and alphabet and looked toward Rome. There is a definite difference between the balkans and the rest of europe. Proximity has everything to do with it; and it is also the reason why you adopted the Latin alphabet and converted to Catholicism. Altough, at that time, the Eastern R. E. was in good shape and there was a small period of time when you even recognized them as your protector. The fact that we went the other way around doesn't mean we chose to be inferior. As mentioned before, the Eastern R. E. was in good shape--in fact, it was far more tolerant and enlighted than its counterpart, the Holy R. E. and its allies. I repeat: all of those prominent people you mentioned, we can match; and know that their prominence is not that great. If you ask the average Joe, he won't know who they were. How many know about Ibn al-Nafis? hmmm....
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Post by dezboy on Jul 30, 2010 11:16:40 GMT -5
oszkarthehun, I didn't know there was a Transylvania subforum, thanks for the information.
anittas, I wasn't implying you were inferior, although some of your friends seem to have inferiority complexes. Southern slavs, vlachs and greeks were dominated and influenced by the Turks for so long they developed a type of backwardness, thats still present in the balkan peoples. I can't recall ever reading where Hungary was "protected" by the byzantines, I know Hungarians were "hired" by the byzantines for protection and that there was some commerce. I wouldn't compare Liszt to Ibn al-Nafis
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Post by lvl100 on Aug 2, 2010 2:59:54 GMT -5
anittas, I wasn't implying you were inferior, although some of your friends seem to have inferiority complexes. Totally different as you and your guys do , opening threads about the greatness of your Jews who made some great stuff mainly somewhere abroad oops I wanted to say Hungarians. No sir , you don't have any complexes at all For those who are not up to date with Hungarian propaganda and/or self pity literature the "western oriented catholic civilization" is one of the main obsession and cliches. Its the alfa and omega , explanation of everything and pinnacle of Hungarian superiority.
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Post by diurpaneus on Aug 2, 2010 4:43:18 GMT -5
Hungarians just had luck because the Hapsburg eagle took the northern part of the country under it's protective wings after the defeat of Mohacs. If that didn't happen, and the Turks would have managed to conquer all of Hungary and keep it for a few hundreds of years, Hungarians would be as backwards as any other Balkan nation. So learn to say "Wir bedanken uns" and "Heil dem Kaiser, Heil dem Lande!"
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Post by dezboy on Aug 2, 2010 8:00:12 GMT -5
lvl100, So you consider Liszt, Bartok, Puskas Eszterhazy, Wass and scores of others as jews? and gulyas, paprikascsirke, Kurtos Kalacs as jewish cuisine? you're as blind and jealous as you are transparent
diurpaneus, The very first student whose name became officially registered at the University of Oxford in 1193, was Miklós of Hungary, son of Kende, nobleman of Transylvania. During the 15th century there were three famous Hungarian doctors on the faculty of the University of Bologna, and one of them, Péter Pál Apati of Torda, later founded the "Free Collegium of the Noble Sciences", established in his hometown, Torda, then moved to Kolozsvár (today Cluj) by King Matthias. After the two Hungarian Universities were established, Pécs in 1367, and Buda in 1389, many Transylvanians sent their sons there, some of whom, after returning home, founded one by one the "Collegiums" of High Learning in Nagyenyed, Gyulafehérvar, Kolozsvár, Nagyvárad, Brassó, Arad, Zilah and Marosvásárhely. There were 18 Transylvanian Hungarians enrolled at the Wittenberg University in the year of 1586. Many Transylvanian Hungarians were teaching at famous Western Universities, while several famous Western scientists, such as Martin Opitz, John Alstead, Henry Bisterfeld and Isaac Basire taught in Transylvanian colleges during the 16th and 17th centuries.
Yes it seems that all Hungarian achievement and western thought was do to the"luck" of being under the "Habsburg eagle" BTW as I recall Hungary fought 2 wars against the Habsburgs for independence. How many did Romania, wallachia or moldavia fight against the turks for independence?
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Post by diurpaneus on Aug 2, 2010 11:24:57 GMT -5
Ungrateful Hungarian! Austria gave you civilization and you rejected it. Austria gave you freedom from islam and now you spit on the Crown that liberated you. Austria gave you world wide recognition and now you boast about some facts that nobody cares about. Austria gave you rights to continue your barbaric feudal ways into the 19th century, even if it didn't want to and was forced into it, and now you pride yourself of how cultured and civilized you were. Austria gave you reforms and built up the towns you claimed to be yours into architectural masterpieces. Austria gave Hungarian clergy a right to an opinion in the Vatican and now you claim religious notoriety.
As a Transylvanian Romanian I am appalled and condemn your hypocrisy.
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Post by dezboy on Aug 2, 2010 14:20:30 GMT -5
Another transparent Romanian, so Austria gave Hungary civilization....care to show me Austria in 896 on a map? or Hungarians ever speaking German. If anyone should be grateful to the Austrians its the vlach people, the Habsburgs brought vlach and German colonists into depopulated Hungarian territories from the Turkish wars. You yourself should be thanking the Austrians, you'd never be living in Transylvania otherwise.
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Post by diurpaneus on Aug 2, 2010 16:36:55 GMT -5
So you guys died defending your fatherland from the Ottoman invasion and we guys took your place. If this were real it would still be funny. Your ancestors dying for nothing and all.. their abandoned houses being occupied by my ancestors... some funny sh.it right here..
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Post by oszkarthehun on Aug 2, 2010 20:06:40 GMT -5
Hungary was a recognised European Christian Kingdom/Nation since 1000 AD, where was Austria. When Austria wanted and did declare a war against Serbia after Gavrillo shot Ferdi it was Hungary who had asked the Austrians not to declare war.
We dont spit on Austria, dont forget Hungarians were fighting Turks way before the Hapsburgs were, why do you think the midday Churchbell tolls everyday in Europe.
Just you and other enemies of Hungary that dont care.
Austria rather Hapsburgs played the divide and conquer game as most all big empires have. Anyway most or at least half of your new country/nation was given to you as promised war booty, you should feel pretty lucky.
If pointing the finger at us and helps you forget your national problems/complexes then at least it might be better for you than alcohol.
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Post by Catcher in the Rye on Aug 3, 2010 9:19:52 GMT -5
We dont spit on Austria, dont forget Hungarians were fighting Turks way before the Hapsburgs were, why do you think the midday Churchbell tolls everyday in Europe. Hungarians were fighting Turks... Don't be ridiculous, it was the sole effort of the Romanian Iancu de Hunedoara and his army core who were Romanians from the county were Iancu was born. Yeah, those church bells are for a Romanian. It's incredible even if I look on the Wiki what desperate efforts the primitive Hungarians are making to cover the fact that Iancu was a Romanian. I think Pope Pius II who awarded him the title Athleta Christi (later Stephen the Great of Moldavia was awarded the same title) summarized very well: Hunyadi did not increase so much the glory of the Hungarians, but especially the glory of the Romanians among whom he was born.BTW i don't have the time or the mood to respond to all the bullshits that deszboy i writting here, it's useless anyway.
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