Greek and Albanian National costume !!

[bato2]

Oct 24, 2010 14:11:48 GMT -5 Kanaris said:

Those are Tourkoalbanians with Greek slave girls.....

Got any pics of Albanians from 900 ad or so?

Canaris are you serious , first camera was created in 1685 At the time the record were kept by artists and painters(which we have provided you with countless material )

Have you got any pictures from 900 to show to us?......

[bato2]

Oct 24, 2010 14:24:02 GMT -5 Kanaris said:

Same height as Rex or maybe you're a bit taller.

Never had a complex with my height tho

[Kanaris]

What you are posting are pics of artists paintings and thats what I meant... some of these paintings could have been done 10 years ago.

[bato2]

One of the first Photographers in Balkans Marubi(Albanian) got some treasures in his collection


1868


1860



1865

[bato2]

Oct 24, 2010 14:34:12 GMT -5 Kanaris said:

What you are posting are pics of artists paintings and thats what I meant... some of these paintings could have been done 10 years ago.

No dude all of them are recorded and done by well known artists

I provided you with names of them

Decamps, Alexandre-Gabriel - One of the most famous French clasical painters known worldwide.
Here you have the painting in the Art collection
collections.vam.ac.uk/item/O142734/watercolour-albanian-duel/

Other one Albanians, and Greek woman of Smyrna, Allom, Thomas also(Original)
collections.vam.ac.uk/search/?listing_type=&offset=0&limit=15&narrow=&q=Albanians%2C+and+Greek+woman+of+Smyrna+&commit=Search&quality=0&objectnamesearch=&placesearch=&after=&after-adbc=AD&before=&before-adbc=AD&namesearch=&materialsearch=&mnsearch=&locationsearch=

[Kanaris]

Those are a few... no disagreement there but there are many fakes out there.


In those times it seemed Greeks and Albanians wore the same clothes....but all of them got the 'albanian' sticker...

[toskaliku]

On a good note. This topic does have some really cool pictures.

[toskaliku]

Bato, could you post the one's with Albanians exclusively in the "Old Pictures of Albanians" topic? Its in history subsection of the Albanian forum.

[Patrinos]

Oct 24, 2010 6:55:33 GMT -5 bato2 said:

lol...the costumes you selected are from some regions of northern Albania

Karta i have a advice for you: Do your homework before you start a topic, otherwise you will still remain an amateur all your life



Lord Byron in Albanian costume and fustanella(was high demanded in the region at the time)


Albanian duel - Decamps, Alexandre-Gabriel 1828


Albanians, and Greek woman of Smyrna Allom, Thomas 1809



An Albanian and a Nubian - Bida, Alexandre 1851(drawing)




Now about those Greeks...Where are their fustanellas bre? did they got lost during the translation?


Cretan costume


Aegean Male Traditional costume


Cyclades Male Traditional Costume


Sarakatsanos Male Traditional Costume


Cefalonia Male Traditional Costume

The "vraka" was worn by almost all the island and minor asian and Thracian-Eastern Macedonian Greeks. The other half which is Peloponnesos, Central Greece, Epiros, Macedonia, Thessaly wore the fustanella.
Now about the Arvanites, who you suggest as the original wearers of fustanella in Greece, wore in about 50-50 the vraka: the most populous arvanitic areas of Ydra, Spetses, Poros, Southern Argolida and Euboia(more than the 65% of the Arvanitic population lived there...).
www.arvasynel.gr/endimasia.html

And fustanela isn't recorded not even in late 17th century in Attica's villages where the majority of the population were Arvanites . According to the traveller Cornelio Magni "the villagers(the Arvanites of Attica) wear a shirt (poukamisa) and vraka that reach the middle of the gam..."

IF you find me a reference by Venetians for example that in the 14-15-16-17 centuries south Albos wore a klit called fustanella i'll sing the albanian national anthem in the center of Patras...

Greeks wore that type of clothing that was common for eastern Mediterranean:

and according to the sources Albos clothed themselves like Greeks :
"And then after spending a few days, we passed through the city of Ulcinj, which belongs to the king of Rascia (2), and sailed to Durrës, a city once famous and mighty by land and sea, subject to the emperor of the Greeks but now belonging to the prince of Romania (3), the brother of the aforementioned king of Jerusalem (4), (this city) being in the province of Albania. It should be noted that Albania is a province between Slavonia (5) and Romania, having a language of its own and which the aforementioned schismatic King of Rascia has subjected to his rule. For the Albanians themselves are schismatics, using the rites of the Greeks and are entirely like them in their dress and manner. For like the Greeks, they rarely if ever wear the cowl, but rather a white hat lowered almost flat to the front and raised at the back so that their hair, the length and beauty of which they are extremely proud, may appear more attractive to the eyes of the beholder. The Slavs on the other hand, of whom mention was made above, wear a white hat, oblong and round, on the top of which their nobles stick a long feather in order to be distinguished and recognized more easily by the peasants and common people. "
1322, Simon Fitzsimons: Itinerary from Ireland to the Holy Land

Fustanella was developed in Greece, South Albania and what is now Fyrom, and in lesser extent in other parts of Balkans, as an evolution of the above type of clothing in the illustration with the Greek of 1460. It was simply more efficient to have the same cloth in two parts so when the bottom part got dirty you could change it with another of wash it alone.

The plaits is a universal expression of wealth and society status. The simple fustanellas would look very cheap and a wealthy man or an warrior added more and more.

None can say that it originated from Epiros, or Peloponnesos or Tepeleni...but it isn't by chance that fustanella was worn in places inhabited, related or neighboring with Greeks...and for example not Kosovo...

If you want to post pictures with Greeks wearing fustnellas i have a folder with about 4.000 paintings, illustrations etc about Greeks from the period of Revolution and some centuries before... But the place is sick so i would like to waste that staff here...
i have some here : kleftouria.blogspot.com/

If you want more interesting staff you can check this out:

Greek akrites from 1200... (50 years before the well known 1250)...

[Patrinos]

dirty Labs...:

they aren't even in central albania...but south... what ugly pants are they wearing?

Laberia:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Clothing_of_Albania_007.jpg
PS. the above pic is historically inaccurate since the costume looks clean...and it supposed to be Lab...


commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Baron_Franz_Nopcsa_in_Albanian_uniform.jpg




Central albania(Mati)

[kartadolofonos]

Thanks Patrinos for Posting this ugly Albanian costume same above posted by albanian Forum members.

Greek 1234 so dino prothesmia na diorthosis to lathos sou
pia notia Albania mou milas more otan proketai gia Epirus !!

Now about those Greeks...Where are their fustanellas bre? did they got lost during the translation?

This is my so-called "male skirt," Greek national costume
"If you're not Greek why are you wearing that?"
Turk colaborator and Greek costume klephtes !

Albanians who adopted the Fustanela by the Epirotes
wearing them only by traditional Greek Epirotic Folklore music, dancing and dont know the meaning why the wearing Fustanela

shame on you !! alites


Fustanela kilt, made from 30 metres of white material, with 400 pleats, representing the 400 years of the Turkish occupation,
The unit is famous around the world for its unique traditional uniform which is designed to be similar to the outfits worn by
the klephts (rebels) who fought the Ottoman occupation of Greece.

Albanians adopted the Greek national costume
Fustanela from the Greek Kleftes and Armatoli repels.
who fought the Turkalbanian Ali Pascha and his turkisch Brothers
the Ottomann.

Why you Post only Vraka Pics from Creta,,Aegean,Cyclades, etc.... ;D brainwashed Albano thief

Post some Pics from the Evzonas Tsolias or the Pan Hellenic traditional folklore costumes from region Epirus Fustanela
and Bourazana and folklore costumes from Peloponese,
Roumeli Sterea Ellada folklore costumes from Thesally
and Vlach & Sarakatsanos Fustanela
you Moron !!

www.foresia.com/

[bato2]

Karta ignorant like always


where is the facts?...Stop crying like a bitch and complaning

I gave you countless facts and documents to prove that Greeks adopted Albanian fustanella as their national dress after the Greek revolution.

Truth hurts ;D

[kartadolofonos]

Greeks adopted Albanian fustanella as their national dress after the Greek revolution

Turkalbanian steal the Fustanela kilt from the killed Greek Warrior
Albanians were poor to made Fustanela !! ;D

Greek Warrior wearing Fustanela and fought for Greek Liberation !

bato2 dog stop “crying' like a men bitch” already !!

[bato2]

“the Albanian fustanella, which was adopted by the Greeks after their liberation in 1821 as their national costume..”
( The Nomads of the Balkans‎ – Page 60)
Clear as a Crystal

The Fustanella is not used only in southern Albania, but also in its northern parts like Kosova and Albanian parts of Montenegro, Sandjak, etc. The below proofs support my claim:

The powerful Albanian ruler of Shkodra Pashallak Karamahmut Pashe Bushatlliu had wore the fustanella.



Original Albanian Royal Guard


Arvanites of Italy


Ouch!!! A nail for your coffin from Cambridge University

[toskaliku]

The Arberesh borrowed those from Albania in the 70s. They are not part of the traditional Arberesh clothing, which were entirely Italian looking.

[bato2]

Oct 24, 2010 17:26:10 GMT -5 @toskaliku said:

The Arberesh borrowed those from Albania in the 70s. They are not part of the traditional Arberesh clothing, which were entirely Italian looking.

No you are wrong
I got a catalogue with all Arberesh costumes which i got it as a gift from Antonio Bellusci in 1995. Is quite common fustanella specially in Piemontesa,Cozenza, Pianna degli Albanezi, Badhesa

[kartadolofonos]

After the Greek Liberation of Greece all the Balkan Nation adopted the Greek Heroes Fustanela kilt !!

The prime movers of the revolution were the klephts Theodoros Kolokotronis (who led the siege of Nafplion) and Markos Botsaris; George Koundouriotis (a ship owner) and Admiral Andreas Miaoulis, both from Hydra; and the Phanariots Alexander Mavrokordatos and Demitrios Ypsilantis. Other heroes were: Georgios Karaiskakis, Odysseas Androutsos, Konstantinos Kanaris, Makriyannis, Papaflessas, Athanasios Diakos, Bouboulina, Manto Mavrogenous and many more. If you familiarize yourself with these names, walking along streets in Greece will take on a whole new meaning as a disproportionate number are named after these heroes.

[Patrinos]

Oct 24, 2010 17:20:28 GMT -5 bato2 said:

“the Albanian fustanella, which was adopted by the Greeks after their liberation in 1821 as their national costume..”
( The Nomads of the Balkans‎ – Page 60)
Clear as a Crystal

The Fustanella is not used only in southern Albania, but also in its northern parts like Kosova and Albanian parts of Montenegro, Sandjak, etc. The below proofs support my claim:

The powerful Albanian ruler of Shkodra Pashallak Karamahmut Pashe Bushatlliu had wore the fustanella.



Original Albanian Royal Guard


Arvanites of Italy


Ouch!!! A nail for your coffin from Cambridge University

LOL

yes they wore it in Prishtina too... LOL and in Albany in Britain...

[toskaliku]

Albanians in Prizren. From an Ottoman museum in Kosovo. This is dated to somewhere in the late 18th century.

Ofcourse they wore it in Kosova. Albanian is Albanian, whether in Prizren or in Gjirokaster.

Albanians in Ulqin:

[bato2]

Albanian warriors introduced the fustanella into the Peloponnese region. Created by special tailors, this garment measured up to 40 yards around and was made of white linen panels which were covered with fat for waterproofing. A short, richly decorated jacket worn over a full-sleeved white shirt, embroidered leggings or white stockings, a sash and fez completed the outfit.
The women wears a misofori or muslin petticoat, and a kalpaki on her head, with a fancy tassle. A silk gown over a fine chemise with an embroidered front showed a low neckline. Over this was worn a short, fitted velvet jacket embroidered with gold braid.



Shkodra, Northern albania(1840)






A 17century gravure