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Post by ivo on Jan 22, 2011 5:22:30 GMT -5
My my the mentally deficient Gyrro and Pazar make quite the retarded duo.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Jan 22, 2011 9:48:47 GMT -5
ha ha ha seeing the tatars wasting energy like that is just lovely!
PS!!
HEY TATARS!!!!
HALF BULGARIA IS SERBIAN!!
EKAVICA!! REMEMBER??
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Post by ivo on Jan 22, 2011 12:21:32 GMT -5
^ *CLOWN*
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Jan 23, 2011 0:35:29 GMT -5
^^^ Self contradicting, pitiful, owned TATAR!
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Post by ioan on Jan 23, 2011 3:11:00 GMT -5
shut it arvanite
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Post by Novi Pazar on Jan 23, 2011 5:32:22 GMT -5
Pyrro, the brains of these BuLgari is the size of a quark (l bet they don't know what it is, until they go and look it up right now). The BuLgari were a lost and forgotten people until Serbs brought them back to life
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Jan 23, 2011 6:30:57 GMT -5
Thats why i think we should stop treating them like humans or living been. (whereas albos could be classified as living been.) Tatars are clearly pre-programmed special purpose low-valued broken machines, made in eastern asia.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Jan 23, 2011 6:32:35 GMT -5
Are you sure you know the meaning of all the words you wrote my lil owned idiotic broken robot?
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Post by terroreign on Jan 23, 2011 7:34:17 GMT -5
Especially the western half ;D However this sounds as true as the statement that latin evolved from spanish. The fact that some illiterates thought Bg was Sr dialect is indeed more than rediculous, but its understandable having in mind we were under the turks still, nothing was known about our glorious history and how astonishing our contribution to slavdome was (first slavic state, mighties slavic empire on the Bolkans, Bulgarian Kliment developed kirilica, first slavic books written here, first state to adopt slavic as its official language, our language is the first recorded slavic language etc.). As a whole the science at those time was not in fashion and the knowlegde about Bulgarians was scarce. The same was not true for Serbs, tnx to their geographic position. Not a small part of the Serbs lived in Austria or were at its border so of course they were more known in Europe than us. However there is more ground to call serbian bulgarian dialect, if we just look at the written history of serbian. It was old Bulgarian that they first used. It wasnt till 12 century when the serbian features started apearing in place of the classical old Bulgarian. Ioan - please remember that all that was only "Bulgarian" because you had an empire and could lay claim to whatever was in it. Bulgarians are a federation of Turkic Bulgars and South Slavs (possibly Serbs themselves), now how silly would it be to compare Latin to Spanish with Bulgarian to Serbian? Take a quick look at this - The infinitives of an IE language family's verbs can be indicative of the linguistic evolution that occurs over time Amare - Latin ("to love") Amar - Spanish/Port ("") Aimer - French ("") Videre - Latin/Italian ("To see") Ver - Spanish/Port ("") Voir - French ("") Gehen - German ("To go") Ga - Swedish/Norwegian/Danish ("") Go - English ("") Rennen - German ("To run") Ranna - Swedish ("") Run - English ("") Notice the pattern; the 'mother language' of the family holds the complete form of the infinitive, which through long term isolation and/or attribution of said language by foreign tongues, becomes shortened and sounds are lost. Now let's take a look at the Slavic languages: Ljubiti - Serbian ("To love") Ljubiti - Ukrainian ("") Ljubit' - Russian ("") Libit - Czech ("") Lubic - Polish ("") Liubic - Belarusian ("") Ljubya - Bulgarian ("") Pevati - Serbian ("To sing") Spivati - Ukrainian ("") Pet' - Russian ("") Zpivat - Czech ("") Spiewac - Polish ("") Peya - Bulgarian ("") Da Pej - Macedonian ("") Igrati - Serbian ("To play") Grati - Ukrainian ("") Igrat' - Russian ("") Hrat - Czech ("") Grac/Igrac - Polish ("") Igraya - Bulgarian ("") Da se igra - Macedonian ("")
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Jan 23, 2011 9:35:36 GMT -5
Nice analysis Krivo. Bulgarians are too .... down the ancestry hierarchy to have any word on slavic matters...
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Post by ioan on Jan 23, 2011 13:20:36 GMT -5
Ok Krivo, so Bulgarian is Italian, Old Bulgarian is latin and Serbian is Spanish.
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Post by ivo on Jan 23, 2011 13:37:18 GMT -5
This is the common Slavic term, and you've used it wrongfully. Ljubya, in Bulgarian means "To make love" not "to love".
The Bulgarian/Macedonian terms for "to love" are "obicham/sakam". Ain't nothing Serbian about them.
"Da pej"!? Where did you get that from!? "To sing" in Bulgarian/Macedonian is "da pee". "I sing" in Bulgarian/Macedonian is "peya/peam". "Pej/pei" would be more appropriately used if you are actually telling someone to sing.. kindda as if you're ordering the person to sing.
"Igraya" is "I'm plying". "To play" in Bulgarian would be better translated as "da se igrae".
It's funny how a Montenegrin Serb and an Arvanite Greek are trying to explain our own langue to us, whether it be Bulgarian or Macedonian.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Jan 23, 2011 13:55:12 GMT -5
^^^ lol We have a complete broken robot (Ioan) with no connection to the content of the thread, and one other robot (Aziz) which thinks that making ridiculously "corrections" (in other occasions he would accept krivos bulgarian words are "interchangable") adds any value to what has been said.
Krivo clearly gave some indications of what could be considered ORIGINAL and what could be considered .... a simple derivative.
BTW Aziz, good to accept that "Peam" (-am being clearly a Serbocroatian ending) is present in Makedonia and Bulgaria.
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Post by ivo on Jan 23, 2011 14:43:51 GMT -5
His translation is inaccurate.. especially about the "to love" part. Lyubia/Ljubya is a verb meaning "to make love".. not "to love".
"Love" alone would be translated as either "Ljubov/Liubov" or "Obich".
Peam is to be found in Macedonia, there have been many Serbisms that have been artificially introduced to the Macedonian dialect to differentiate it from Bulgarian.. over the decades, many of these Serbisms have become naturalized into what is today known as the "Macedonian language".
In Bulgaria, it would be "pea/peia".. however, if you you say it in plural (ie. we sing) it would be "peem".
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Post by roflcopterlanding on Jan 23, 2011 16:03:32 GMT -5
What was your important point? From a bunch of 10 villages you tried to create some noise about one which bears some weak chance of being non-slav, right? Your comment was about voulg/vourg toponyms having an "undeniable connection" to Bulgaria. So, that was what I commented on, obviously. And no, my important point was about the importance of context in the research on toponyms and surnames.
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Post by terroreign on Jan 23, 2011 21:14:07 GMT -5
This is the common Slavic term, and you've used it wrongfully. Ljubya, in Bulgarian means "To make love" not "to love". The Bulgarian/Macedonian terms for "to love" are "obicham/sakam". Ain't nothing Serbian about them. That is the slavic word, "to love/to make love" one in the same asen. "Obicam/Iskam/Sakam" mean also "to want" "to like" along with to love, in other words they're more recent in meaning which have been attributed to a larger variety of things. It is the infinitive form of the verb asen, not first person. Perhaps "Peya/Da peja" would be more accurate. This doesn't change the point at all though. "Igraya" is "I'm plying". "To play" in Bulgarian would be better translated as "da se igrae". It's funny how a Montenegrin Serb and an Arvanite Greek are trying to explain our own langue to us, whether it be Bulgarian or Macedonian.[/quote] Google translate lists the infinitive as "Igraya" but even as "Igrae" the linguistic evolution is clear. According to this Bulgarian would be French.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Jan 24, 2011 0:04:15 GMT -5
What was your important point? From a bunch of 10 villages you tried to create some noise about one which bears some weak chance of being non-slav, right? Your comment was about voulg/vourg toponyms having an "undeniable connection" to Bulgaria. So, that was what I commented on, obviously. And no, my important point was about the importance of context in the research on toponyms and surnames. Ok, i know that, i was just hoping for you to come out and say that the correct path to solve this problem (voulg*, bulg*, and all variations) would be to study each case one by one and see whole context in which those names exist, in parallel with studying the specific history of each place. Generally, like or not, the Slavic presence in Greece was disproportionally larger than the italian one (i know you find it hard to believe, but its the truth). So i would tend to look for a bulgarian connection in anything "boulg*" related rather than Italian. Or to put it in another way, i haven't found a single Bulg* toponym in Greece with the slightest chance of being non-bulgarian related.
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Post by roflcopterlanding on Jan 24, 2011 0:22:21 GMT -5
Generally, like or not, the Slavic presence in Greece was disproportionally larger than the italian one (i know you find it hard to believe, but its the truth). So i would tend to look for a bulgarian connection in anything "boulg*" related rather than Italian. Or to put it in another way, i haven't found a single Bulg* toponym in Greece with the slightest chance of being non-bulgarian related. Considering some other "findings" of yours, yeah...Also, really, the slavic-speaking presence was greater? First time I hear that. Isos tha prepei na vgaleis apo to myalo sou tin idea pos yparxei kapoio idiaitero anti-slaviko menos apo pleyras Ellinon.
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Post by ioan on Jan 24, 2011 1:22:24 GMT -5
According to this Bulgarian would be French. Italian. The direct descedant of Old Bulgarian. Serbian is Spanish - inderect descedant of Old Bulgarian.
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Post by plisbardhi on Jan 24, 2011 1:43:46 GMT -5
Isn't it more likely that the Bosniak name Abdic stems from Abdullah? Or is pyrro just trying to squeeze a gyrro so hard out of his ass that another "link" between Yugoslavs and Greeks has just been discovered?
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