Post by Emperor AAdmin on Jan 14, 2011 17:12:18 GMT -5
Hellenization and such terms are not what I am after since that is guessing .
What is not guessing regarding south Illyria are following elements;
(after reading that specific link)
illyriancommunities.illyria.net/
01- Being part of Greek mythology
(Encheleans, Cadmus, Harmonia, Hillus, Illyrius etc)
02- "corresponds to the type of Greek kingdoms of the Homeric era"
03-"participants of the Trojan war" (was basically Greek civil war)
04-"Peonians being direct neighbor of the Greeks maintained close trade religions and as a result fell early under their cultural influence"
05-"At the year of 306. B.C. king ' Audoleont' (= 'Autoleontos' ?) minted coins that stated the title 'basileus' (='vasileus'?) , in a likewise manner that Hellenic monarchs did."
06-"During his rule Peonia in the sources is called 'koinon ton Paionon' (state-political community of Peonians). 6 Greeks with the legal expression 'koinon' had marked statehood , characteristic for their own (Greek) communities."
07-'The nucleus's of the other cities were old illyrian centers of which some were fully or partly hellenized."
08-"The most noticed royal palace employee he terms by the title 'filoi' (kings friends), just like it was in royal palaces of hellenistic rulers of the time."
09-'With that the diplomacy used greek language and script."
10-"The research has showed that Daorsi were under intense Greek influence. Their center at Osanici near Stolac contains many elements of Hellenistic cities (cyclopean walls, specific urban architecture, agora and related), and also mobile material shows that life was lived in Greek fashion. Special attention deserves the fact that Daorsi minted coin whose iconography fully coincides with Greek coins. On the face is the picture of a head of God Hermes and on the back boat written in Greek Daorson.39 "
After reading this one can easily see that the Greek is only clearly dominant identifiable culture in original or south Illyria (south of Darson). Therefore there is no question that this was a part of the Hellenic world. Anything else (such as "Were they Hellenized and when?"; "What was the original language?" etc) are just domains of speculation (no remains of any separate language) and can not be proven and thus void of importance.
What is not guessing regarding south Illyria are following elements;
(after reading that specific link)
illyriancommunities.illyria.net/
01- Being part of Greek mythology
(Encheleans, Cadmus, Harmonia, Hillus, Illyrius etc)
02- "corresponds to the type of Greek kingdoms of the Homeric era"
03-"participants of the Trojan war" (was basically Greek civil war)
04-"Peonians being direct neighbor of the Greeks maintained close trade religions and as a result fell early under their cultural influence"
05-"At the year of 306. B.C. king ' Audoleont' (= 'Autoleontos' ?) minted coins that stated the title 'basileus' (='vasileus'?) , in a likewise manner that Hellenic monarchs did."
06-"During his rule Peonia in the sources is called 'koinon ton Paionon' (state-political community of Peonians). 6 Greeks with the legal expression 'koinon' had marked statehood , characteristic for their own (Greek) communities."
07-'The nucleus's of the other cities were old illyrian centers of which some were fully or partly hellenized."
08-"The most noticed royal palace employee he terms by the title 'filoi' (kings friends), just like it was in royal palaces of hellenistic rulers of the time."
09-'With that the diplomacy used greek language and script."
10-"The research has showed that Daorsi were under intense Greek influence. Their center at Osanici near Stolac contains many elements of Hellenistic cities (cyclopean walls, specific urban architecture, agora and related), and also mobile material shows that life was lived in Greek fashion. Special attention deserves the fact that Daorsi minted coin whose iconography fully coincides with Greek coins. On the face is the picture of a head of God Hermes and on the back boat written in Greek Daorson.39 "
After reading this one can easily see that the Greek is only clearly dominant identifiable culture in original or south Illyria (south of Darson). Therefore there is no question that this was a part of the Hellenic world. Anything else (such as "Were they Hellenized and when?"; "What was the original language?" etc) are just domains of speculation (no remains of any separate language) and can not be proven and thus void of importance.