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Post by Pyrros on Sept 8, 2018 1:28:19 GMT -5
God loves SPEECH. SAXAN loves silence.
its evident who made who!
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Post by branislavnusic on Sept 8, 2018 1:37:25 GMT -5
God loves SPEECH. SAXAN loves silence.
its evident who made who!
which is why we slavs call germans nemci meaning mute.
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Post by rex362 on Sept 8, 2018 11:26:57 GMT -5
out of logic for you .....
the whole point of my posting is the use of word "Illyrians " in 1400's they knew better who /what the Illyrians are than you and you math equations that will bring down the saxon
btw Morea is not slvic ..we are not making cakes made out of berries here
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Post by Pyrros on Sept 8, 2018 12:27:46 GMT -5
out of logic for you ..... the whole point of my posting is the use of word "Illyrians " in 1400's they knew better who /what the Illyrians are than you and you math equations that will bring down the saxon
Rexho the guy said LACONIANS, and then PELOPONESIANS (WTF), we cant assume anything about the word "Illyrians". Charanis the major GREEK Historian who covered the whole Slavic matter in Greece, said that this text bears little credibility. Get over it and move to your next idiotic story which will also be shot down equally easily.
btw Morea is not slvic ..we are not making cakes made out of berries here
In Disney world maybe. Meanwhile in the real world : Malingoudis 1983 :
Rexho, take a rest, put your self together and prepare for your next attempt (next loss).
the so called moura are least grown in Morias, the theory of the bimbo who came up with this is laughable.
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Post by rex362 on Sept 8, 2018 12:41:24 GMT -5
The Morea (Greek: Μορέας or Μοριάς, Albanian: Moreja, French: Morée, Italian: Morea, Turkish: Mora) was the name of the Peloponnese peninsula in southern Greece during the Middle Ages and the early modern period. The name was used for the Byzantine province known as the Despotate of the Morea, by the Ottoman Empire for the Morea Eyalet, and by the Republic of Venice for the short-lived Kingdom of the Morea.
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Post by rex362 on Sept 8, 2018 13:24:54 GMT -5
again :
"ETHNIC CHANGES IN THE BYZANTINE EMPIRE IN THE SEVENTH CENTURY" PETER CHARANIS
"The native Illyrians and Thracians of the occupied regions retired into the mountains, where they remained unnoticed till the eleventh century, when they emerged as Albanians and Vlachs "
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‘Thus the Illyrians and Dacians were able to retreat into the mountains at the time of the Slavic invasions and retain their identities as Albanians and Vlachs.’ THE EARLY MEDIEVAL BALKANS BY John Van Antwerp
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Post by rex362 on Sept 8, 2018 14:03:34 GMT -5
bonus for you
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Post by rex362 on Sept 8, 2018 14:17:14 GMT -5
here Pyrros another bonus round or you and your math equation
sclavonian mixture
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Post by rex362 on Sept 8, 2018 14:39:54 GMT -5
Balkan Background, Bernard Newman, 2007, p.231:
“Albania is the youngest country of the Balkans, but its people are the oldest. They are probably the descendants of the ancient. Thracians and Illyrians; their language, despite infusions of words from neighboring races, is quite unlike any other Balkan tongue. At one time they occupied the whole of the Southern Balkans, and were a vigorous and dynamic people: Alexander the Great is claimed to have been of Albanian origin. Gradually they were encompassed in their present home, much as the Basques were crowded into their Biscayan corner, by the tribes surging from the east; or as the remnants of the British tribes were pushed westwards into the mountains of Wales”.
Australian Slavonic and East European studies: journal of the Australian and New Zealand Slavists' Association and of the Australasian Association for the Study of the Socialist Countries, Volumes 4-5, 1990, p. 200:
"The oldest surviving inhabitants are the Albanians, descendants of a group of peoples known as the Illyrians, the Thracians and the Dacians".
European Diplomacy and the Balkan Problem, SP Duggan, 1913: "Albania has been the Ulster of Turkey. Its inhabitants are descendants of the Thracians and Illyrians driven into the mountains by the Slavic invaders of the seventh and later centuries. These hardy, warlike mountaineers have always been the bulwark of the Porte against the Serb advance ; for although Catholic in the north, Orthodox in the south and Mohammedan only in the middle of Albania, they have disliked the Slav more than the Turk, and they have been willing to acknowledge the sovereignty of the sultan upon the single condition that they be let alone. Under the old regime they were generally let alone...."
The provinces of the Roman Empire: from Caesar to Diocletian, Volume 1, Theodor Mommsen, 1909, p.199:
“Illyricum, that is the Roman territory between Italy and Macedonia, was in the republican time united, as to its lesser portion, with the Grraeco-Macedonian governorship, as to its greater, administrered as a land adjacent to Italy, and, after the institution of the governorship of Cisalpine Gaul, as a portion of the latter. The territory coincides to a certain degree with the widely diffused stock from which the Romans named it; it is the same whose scanty remnant still at present day, at the southern end of its formerly far-extended possessions, has preserved its own nationality and its old language under the name of Skipetars, which they assign to themselves, or, as their neighbours call them, the Arnauts or Albanians. […]This nation in its original extent filled the coast of the Adriatic Sea from the mouth of the Po through Istria, Dalmatia, and Epirus, as far as Acarnania and Aetolia, and also in the interior upper Macedonia, as well as the modern Servia and Bosnia and the Hungarian territory on the right bank of the Danube; it bordered thus on the east with the Thracian tribes, on the west with the Celtic, from which latter Tacitus expressly distinguishes them”
Ibid p. 201: Bosnia, Servia, above all Albania, were in the imperial period Illyrian, and Albania is so still”.
p.297: “Northern Epirus, which, like the adjoining Illyricum bordering on Macedonia, was in greater part inhabited by Albanian tribes and was not placed under Nicopolis, continued during the imperial period in its primitive condition, which still subsists in some measure at the present day. “Epirus and Illyricum,” says Strabo, “are in great part a desert; where men are found, they dwell in villages and in ruins of earlier towns; even the oracle of Dodona,” – laid waste in the Mithradatic war by the Thracians, - ‘is extinct like everything else”.
p. 347: “that the regions to the north of Hellas, Thessaly, and Macedonia, and at least from Trajan’s time Epirus, were in the imperial period separated administratively from Greece”.
The treasury of languages p.7: "Albanian. The vernacular tongue of modern Albania, a maritime province of European Turkey, which answers to the ancient Epirus; the inhabitants are a mixed race, including Arnauts, who areprobably descended from the ancient Illyrians, Greeks, and Turks. The ancient language, called old ILLYRIAN, and closely allied to Greek, has become mingled with SLAVONIC, written in GREEk characters. The native name of the Albanian dialect is SKIPETAR. Both terms mean ‘mountaineers’. The modern language is sub-divided into the Ghegh and the Toski."
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Post by branislavnusic on Sept 8, 2018 14:46:36 GMT -5
, they have disliked the Slav more than the Turk, and they have been willing to acknowledge the sovereignty of the sultan upon the single condition that they be let alone. Under the old regime they were generally let alone...."
Ahahahhahahaha he's saying the Albanians got liberties under the ottomans if they hated slavs so much how do you explain this: A monk from Hungary visited Southern Albania in the mid-18th century: While visiting Greece in 1768, upon being called to a visit by "some Albanians", he stayed one year with them. He became familiar with the people and "learned Albanian". Dositej emphasizes their relation to the Serbs: "How (strange) it was for me to hear these same Albanians say, 'Whoever governs Serbia, and we too will acknowledge that ruler, because the Serb kings were ours once, too'". Dositej continues about his tenure with the Albanians, "Not too far from Hormove, beautiful fields were described which the Albanians call 'Lepa-zhite'. I asked them what this meant. 'We don't know,' they told me. 'That's just the name of the field'. When I clarified what this meant, telling them that this is a Serbian word, "Oh, holy man," they answered, "Don't be surprised; we were once one family and tribe with the Serblyans in ancient times". The Cetinje Herald Dositej among the Albanians April. 2. 1911
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Post by rex362 on Sept 8, 2018 15:01:52 GMT -5
(The Missionary review of the world: Volume 34, 1911)
"Very much later there came the waves of Slavs and drove the Albanians, who were scattered all over the Balkan Peninsula, to the western part of modern European Turkey, where they live now."
Transylvania and the Rumanians, Alain Du Nay, André Du Nay, Árpád Kosztin, 1997, p.38
The first mention of Albanians in documents is from 1079 A.D. and refers to the territory between Ochrida and Thessalonike, and to Epirus. In present day Albania (in its northern part), they were for the first time described in the 13th century. The analysis of placenames and geographical names suggests that they lived, during the first centuries of Roman conquering on the Balkan peninsula, (also) in the northern part of present day Albania; according to Georg Stadtmüller, the center of the ancient Albanians was the area of the river Mati. There are a number of ancient Albanian geographical names in Albania, for example the river Bunë (cf. Albanian buenë, bujenë "inundation"), or Sar Planina, from Greek suggests that they lived in contact with Greeks. A large number of placenames in Macedonia and parts of Serbia show typically Albanian features: Stip, from Greek It is significant that, in contrast to Rumanian, there are Latin loanwords in Albanian which show a very ancient sound pattern, from the 1st century B.C.: Lat. cingula >Albanian qingëlë; vetus, veteris > vjetër etc. The Romance languages have inherited these words from Vulgar Latin, thus N. Rumanian chinga 'belly band, saddle girth', from *cingla; batrân 'old' from veteran, etc. - Cf. I. Popovic, Geschichte der Serbokroatischen Sprache, 1960, pp. 79-85; G. Stadtmüller, Forschungen zur albanischen Frühgeschichte, 1966; A. Rosetti, Istoria limbii române, 1986, pp. 195-197.
The Albanians: A Modern History, 2001, Page 2, by Miranda Vickers
Following the collapse of the Roman Empire and the weakening of the Byzantine Empire, the Illyrian-speaking peoples expanded once again into the Mat valley and Muzeqe plain. By then they were known to thier southern neighbors as Albani, and thier language as Albanian."
The annual of the British School at Athens: Issue 16, British School at Athens, British
School at Athens. Managing Committee - 1910
"The original home of the Dorians before they appeared in Thcssaly and Doris is by many thought to have been Illyria.The ancients thus associated Hellenic origins with Illyria. The Illyric type par excellence to-day is the Albanian.That the Albanians of Upper Albania have been in their present habitat since before the memory of man..."
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Post by rex362 on Sept 8, 2018 15:10:17 GMT -5
for Pyrros's Crete math equations
A dictionary of geography, ancient and modern By Josiah Conder
"The population of Thessaly has been estimated at 300,000 ; that of Epirus at 400,000; which, added to that of Greece Proper, would form an aggregate of 1,250,000. Of the population of Greece and Macedonia, taking one province with another, the Greeks were formerly supposed to form about a third, two-thirds being Albanians and Turks. In some parts of the Morea, especially Messenia and Elis, the Moslem, prior to the revolution, outnumbered the Christians; in Thessaly and Epirus, they slightly preponderated; in Attica and Boeotia, the Christians were supposed to be 10 in 11; and in Crete, out of 280,000, 130,000 were Greeks."
for Brani's love of Pelasgians .....(there ..I said it twice in a month )
"Old tombs of the prehistoric Pelasgi have been recently discovered near Sparta in Attica. Greek is scarcely spoken among the people, who are altogether Albanian, the same as the old Pelasgi". (Lights and Shadows of Ancient European Mythology, Language and History By Elizabeth Wilson, p.64)
“…Albania, whose people are probably the oldest inhabitants of the peninsula have even been indentified by some with the ancient Pelasgi…” (Travels and Politics in the Near East, William Miller, p.208)
"...the principal proof of this Pelasgic origin to be the relation between the Albanian language and the most ancient Greek mythology..." The Fortnightly, 1885
The Albanians are by some supposed to be the descendants of the ancient Pelasgi, and of a far purer race than are the modern Greeks. From the uniformly classic features of the people I should be inclined to adopt this view.
Albania: A Narrative of Recent Travel - Page 124 Edward Frederick Knight - 2005
The Albanians are perhaps the oldest race in southeastern Europe and the people of today are quite possibly descendants of the so-called Pelasgi, the early inhabitants of Greece and neighboring countries.
Fairclough - Page 366, Warming Both Hands
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Post by rex362 on Sept 8, 2018 15:25:08 GMT -5
The ancestors of the Albanians were the ancient Illyrians, who dwelled along the eastern coast of the Adriatic Sea, from Epirus as far north as Panno- nia. The Greek geographer of the second century ad, Ptolemy, mentioned an Albanian tribe with a city Albanopolis. The name of these Albanians was in the eleventh century extended to the rest of ancient Illyrians. This people was called in Greek, Albanoi, Arbanoi, or Albanitai, Arbanitai; in Latin, Arbanenses or Albanenses; from the Latin or Roman from comes the Slavonic Arbanasi, in modern Greek Arvanitis, in Turkish Arnaut.
History of the Byzantine Empire, 324-1453, Volume 2 By Aleksandr Aleksandrovich Vasilʹev,1952 p. 613
The Albanians: an ethnic history from prehistoric times to the present, Edwin E. Jacques, 1995 p.129-130
The Praetorian Guard The increasing Gothic and Scythian pressure on the northern frontier along the Danube led Rome to make constructive use of its warlike Illyrian subjects. Many were enlisted in the Roman legions while others were settled in colonies along the northern frontier to form a buffer zone. The Illyrian soldiers performed so magnificently that many of them were selected for service in the Praetorian Guard, Rome’s elite bodyguard for the emperor. A remarkable number of these men were also promoted to the top of the ladder and were known as Illyrian soldier-emperors. These incredible Sons of the Eagle were worthy descendants of Achilles, Philip, Alexander the Great and Pyrrhus.
Les Hellènes et les Macédoniens également, si bien qu'Alexandre le Grand, ainsi que son père Philippe, étaient aussi albanais. Avec l'arrivée des Slaves dans les Balkans, les Albanais qui vivaient en Thrace et en Macédoine ont dû quitter leurs terres, tandis que les Albanais de Bosnie, de Dalmatie et du Monténégro se sont mêlés avec les Slaves et ont adopté
Balkanologie, Volumes 1-2, Association française d'études sur les Balkans, 1997, p. 124
The Greeks and Macedonians as well, so that Alexander the Great and his father Philip, were also Albanian. With the arrival of Slavs in the Balkans, the Albanians living in Thrace and Macedonia were forced to leave their land, while the Albanians in Bosnia, Dalmatia and Montenegro mingled with the Slavs and adopted...
They are strewn with the wreckage of dead Empires – past Powers – only the Albanian "goes on for ever." - Edith Durham
"The Albanians call themselves Skipetars (Sons of the Mountain Eagle) and are recognized by ethnologists as a pre-Balkan people, perhaps being the descendants of the Pelasgians and Illyrians of primitive history".
Economic conditions in Albania, Maxwell Blake, United States. Bureau of Foreign and Domestic Commerce, Govt. print. off.,1923, p. 1
Historical evidence links present-day Albanians directly with the Illyrians, Trojans, Thracians, Dalmatians and the ancient tribes of Epirus. Despite all the efforts of politically committed researchers over past few decades, it is difficult to dispute this proposition.
Yugoslavia and after: a study in fragmentation, despair and rebirth, David A. Dyker, Ivan Vejvoda, Longman, 1996, p. 236
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Post by Pyrros on Sept 8, 2018 23:51:42 GMT -5
again :
"ETHNIC CHANGES IN THE BYZANTINE EMPIRE IN THE SEVENTH CENTURY" PETER CHARANIS
"The native Illyrians and Thracians of the occupied regions retired into the mountains, where they remained unnoticed till the eleventh century, when they emerged as Albanians and Vlachs "
(Me and You ) bro
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‘Thus the Illyrians and Dacians were able to retreat into the mountains at the time of the Slavic invasions and retain their identities as Albanians and Vlachs.’ THE EARLY MEDIEVAL BALKANS BY John Van Antwerp
emerged... is the key here bro. Anyways, this problem was very hard to solve. I dont blame Charanis. If he lived today he would have seen things differently. Maybe for a moment he believed BS like this of Mazaris?
Anyways, fact is that at 700 AD, when Wilinand an English priest passed under the most southern part of Moreas ( an island except a tiny part - surrounded by sea = more in Slavic), he said clearly : north starts the lands of the SLAVS.
Moreas = from the SLAVIC word sea. Period.
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Post by Pyrros on Sept 8, 2018 23:54:02 GMT -5
The Morea (Greek: Μορέας or Μοριάς, Albanian: Moreja, French: Morée, Italian: Morea, Turkish: Mora) was the name of the Peloponnese peninsula in southern Greece during the Middle Ages and the early modern period. The name was used for the Byzantine province known as the Despotate of the Morea, by the Ottoman Empire for the Morea Eyalet, and by the Republic of Venice for the short-lived Kingdom of the Morea.
And it has nothing to do with moura. Grow up. Its slavic like the rest of names of around 1000 towns and villages in Moreas. Grow up silly Rex, wake up, anything that has "up" including (being) blow(n) up.
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Post by Pyrros on Sept 8, 2018 23:56:09 GMT -5
for Pyrros's Crete math equations
A dictionary of geography, ancient and modern By Josiah Conder
"The population of Thessaly has been estimated at 300,000 ; that of Epirus at 400,000; which, added to that of Greece Proper, would form an aggregate of 1,250,000. Of the population of Greece and Macedonia, taking one province with another, the Greeks were formerly supposed to form about a third, two-thirds being Albanians and Turks. In some parts of the Morea, especially Messenia and Elis, the Moslem, prior to the revolution, outnumbered the Christians; in Thessaly and Epirus, they slightly preponderated; in Attica and Boeotia, the Christians were supposed to be 10 in 11; and in Crete, out of 280,000, 130,000 were Greeks."
for Brani's love of Pelasgians .....(there ..I said it twice in a month )
"Old tombs of the prehistoric Pelasgi have been recently discovered near Sparta in Attica. Greek is scarcely spoken among the people, who are altogether Albanian, the same as the old Pelasgi". (Lights and Shadows of Ancient European Mythology, Language and History By Elizabeth Wilson, p.64)
“…Albania, whose people are probably the oldest inhabitants of the peninsula have even been indentified by some with the ancient Pelasgi…” (Travels and Politics in the Near East, William Miller, p.208)
"...the principal proof of this Pelasgic origin to be the relation between the Albanian language and the most ancient Greek mythology..." The Fortnightly, 1885
The Albanians are by some supposed to be the descendants of the ancient Pelasgi, and of a far purer race than are the modern Greeks. From the uniformly classic features of the people I should be inclined to adopt this view.
Albania: A Narrative of Recent Travel - Page 124 Edward Frederick Knight - 2005
The Albanians are perhaps the oldest race in southeastern Europe and the people of today are quite possibly descendants of the so-called Pelasgi, the early inhabitants of Greece and neighboring countries.
Fairclough - Page 366, Warming Both Hands
Sparta in Attica? Those anglos in their stressing moments to falsify reality even further can't even spell the names right.
its a fucking joke Rex. Just like you. Its so easy they should right a robot to answer to you.
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Post by Pyrros on Sept 8, 2018 23:58:23 GMT -5
, they have disliked the Slav more than the Turk, and they have been willing to acknowledge the sovereignty of the sultan upon the single condition that they be let alone. Under the old regime they were generally let alone...."
Ahahahhahahaha he's saying the Albanians got liberties under the ottomans if they hated slavs so much how do you explain this: A monk from Hungary visited Southern Albania in the mid-18th century: While visiting Greece in 1768, upon being called to a visit by "some Albanians", he stayed one year with them. He became familiar with the people and "learned Albanian". Dositej emphasizes their relation to the Serbs: "How (strange) it was for me to hear these same Albanians say, 'Whoever governs Serbia, and we too will acknowledge that ruler, because the Serb kings were ours once, too'". Dositej continues about his tenure with the Albanians, "Not too far from Hormove, beautiful fields were described which the Albanians call 'Lepa-zhite'. I asked them what this meant. 'We don't know,' they told me. 'That's just the name of the field'. When I clarified what this meant, telling them that this is a Serbian word, "Oh, holy man," they answered, "Don't be surprised; we were once one family and tribe with the Serblyans in ancient times". The Cetinje Herald Dositej among the Albanians April. 2. 1911
bro, i cant believe you actually read the bot's posts. You should only scan them as fast as you can and then find some obvious mistakes and shoot him down. Or even ignore it entirely ...
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Post by branislavnusic on Sept 9, 2018 1:43:44 GMT -5
for Brani's love of Pelasgians .....(there ..I said it twice in a month )
"Old tombs of the prehistoric Pelasgi have been recently discovered near Sparta in Attica. Greek is scarcely spoken among the people, who are altogether Albanian, the same as the old Pelasgi". (Lights and Shadows of Ancient European Mythology, Language and History By Elizabeth Wilson, p.64)
“…Albania, whose people are probably the oldest inhabitants of the peninsula have even been indentified by some with the ancient Pelasgi…” (Travels and Politics in the Near East, William Miller, p.208)
"...the principal proof of this Pelasgic origin to be the relation between the Albanian language and the most ancient Greek mythology..." The Fortnightly, 1885
The Albanians are by some supposed to be the descendants of the ancient Pelasgi, and of a far purer race than are the modern Greeks. From the uniformly classic features of the people I should be inclined to adopt this view.
Albania: A Narrative of Recent Travel - Page 124 Edward Frederick Knight - 2005
The Albanians are perhaps the oldest race in southeastern Europe and the people of today are quite possibly descendants of the so-called Pelasgi, the early inhabitants of Greece and neighboring countries.
Fairclough - Page 366, Warming Both Hands
LMAOOOO I said MODERN scholars, those quotes are from the 1800's Schwandner-Sievers, Stephanie; Fischer, Bernd Jürgen (September 2002). "Albanian identities: myth and history". Indiana University Press: 78–79. ISBN 978-0-253-21570-3. "...Such derivations, almost all of which would be rejected by modern scholars..."on pelasgians
ver since the days of Homer, Greeks have long idealized their Mycenaean “ancestors” in epic poems and classic tragedies that glorify the exploits of Odysseus, King Agamemnon, and other heroes who went in and out of favor with the Greek gods. Although these Mycenaeans were fictitious, scholars have debated whether today’s Greeks descend from the actual Mycenaeans, who created a famous civilization that dominated mainland Greece and the Aegean Sea from about 1600 B.C.E. to 1200 B.C.E., or whether the ancient Mycenaeans simply vanished from the region. Now, ancient DNA suggests that living Greeks are indeed the descendants of Mycenaeans, with only a small proportion of DNA from later migrations to Greece. And the Mycenaeans themselves were closely related to the earlier Minoans, the study reveals, another great civilization that flourished on the island of Crete from 2600 B.C.E. to 1400 B.C.E. (named for the mythical King Minos). The ancient DNA comes from the teeth of 19 people, including 10 Minoans from Crete dating to 2900 B.C.E. to 1700 BCE, four Mycenaeans from the archaeological site at Mycenae and other cemeteries on the Greek mainland dating from 1700 B.C.E. to 1200 B.C.E., and five people from other early farming or Bronze Age (5400 B.C.E. to 1340 B.C.E.) cultures in Greece and Turkey. By comparing 1.2 million letters of genetic code across these genomes to those of 334 other ancient people from around the world and 30 modern Greeks, the researchers were able to plot how the individuals were related to each other.
some other quotes from classical authors:
"The Hellenic race has never, since its first origin, changed its speech. This at least seems evident to me. It was a branch of the Pelasgic, which separated from the main body, and at first was scanty in numbers and of little power; but it gradually spread and increased to a multitude of nations, chiefly by the voluntary entrance into its ranks of numerous tribes of barbarians." (Herodotus, "Histories" 1.58)
"Before the time of Hellen, son of Deucalion ... the country went by the names of the different tribes, in particular of the Pelasgian. It was not till Hellen and his sons grew strong in Phthiotis, and were invited as allies into the other cities, that one by one they gradually acquired from the connection the name of Hellenes; though a long time elapsed before that name could fasten itself upon all." (Thucydides, "History of the Peloponnesian War" 1.1.3)
"... Pelasgians, a Greek nation which did not came from elsewhere but we were born autochthonous." (Plutarch, "Peri fyges" 604D-E,13)
"... for the Pelasgians, too, were a Greek nation originally from the Peloponnesus." (Dionysius of Halicarnassus, "Roman Antiquities" 1.17)
"This was the next Greek nation after the Pelasgians to come into Italy and to take up a common residence with the Aborigines, establishing itself in the best part of Rome." (Dionysius of Halicarnassus, "Roman Antiquities" 1.33)
"As for the Pelasgi, almost all agree, in the first place, that some ancient tribe of that name spread throughout the whole of Greece, and particularly among the Aeolians of Thessaly." (Strabo, "Geography" V.2)
"And I think that it was the fame of this city [Argos] that prepared the way, not only for the Pelasgians and the Danaans, as well as the Argives, to be named after it, but also for the rest of the Greeks" (Strabo, "Geography" VIII.6)
"Paris was absent. But soon afterwards, he brought into that land a ravished wife, Helen, the cause of a disastrous war, together with a thousand ships, and all the great Pelasgian [Greek] nation." (Ovid, "the Metamorphoses" XII)
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Post by branislavnusic on Sept 9, 2018 1:54:45 GMT -5
or maybe Pelasgians were Turks:
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Post by rex362 on Sept 22, 2018 15:07:13 GMT -5
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