Albanians are not Illyrian

[ushtari]

And again, its commonly known that the original home of Albanians is Balkan, wich i have proved earlier on this very forum.


books.google.com/books?id=XFtbEd1ojBsC&lpg=PP1&dq=a%20grammar%20of%20modern%20indo%20european&pg=PP1#v=onepage&q&f=false

[Hellenas]

Jun 5, 2011 1:46:55 GMT -5 @terroreign said:

hellenas im sorry i am not so democratic in this situation.

You must be as well.

[Hellenas]

Jun 5, 2011 6:00:09 GMT -5 ushtari said:

Little greek.

It's much better to be a medium statured Classic Mediterranean Europoid Greek(me) than a very long anomalous Asiatic Dinaric albanian beign like you.

Coon does nowhere state that Albanians are racially asiatic dinarics, on the contrary, he clearly states that Albanains are Dinarics in the classic and proper sense.

Are you blind? Read that again:

Carleton S. Coon("the races of Europe")

The Asiatic Dinarics, who appeared early in the Metal Age, were apparently Alpine-Cappadocian hybrids; many of those went to Europe and settled in widely separated places, including sections of the Dinaric Alps.

carnby.altervista.org/troe/12-13.htm

[ushtari]

Jun 5, 2011 9:42:32 GMT -5 Hellenas said:

It's much better to be a medium statured Classic Mediterranean Europoid Greek(me) than a very long anomalous Asiatic Dinaric albanian beign like you.

Wrong, Albanians are not asiatic dinarics. Its you who take the words completely out of context.

Coon does nowhere state that Albanians are racially asiatic dinarics, on the contrary, he clearly states that Albanains are Dinarics in the classic and proper sense.

Are you blind? Read that again:
Carleton S. Coon("the races of Europe")

The Asiatic Dinarics, who appeared early in the Metal Age, were apparently Alpine-Cappadocian hybrids; many of those went to Europe and settled in widely separated places, including sections of the Dinaric Alps.

carnby.altervista.org/troe/12-13.htm

The question here is whether you are blind or simply stupid, since nowhere in that text does it say that Albanians are asiatic dinarics, i have already provided a source stating Albanians are Dinarics in the classic sense.

The text you keep quoting is about asiatic dinaric elements from the "metal age" found to be present all over the Dinaric chain, such as in Tyrol as well for example.

These are the racial types to be found in Albania, and nowhere does he mention Asiatic dinaric, but simply the european dinaric in the classic sense, also found in several other places in Europe.

At this point there arises the entire question of Dinaric origins, which may be approached on the basis of a statistical analysis of the Gheg material. Attempts to intercorrelate metrical and morphological characters with each other and with pigmentation reveal the presence of the following types in Ghegnia, each of which shows a tendency for the characters of which it is composed to associate themselves as a unit.

1. A tall, large-headed, brachycephalic, wide-faced type, with intermediate pigmentation, and an especial tendency toward rufosity. This is the Borreby-like type prevalent in Montenegro; in Albania it is almost wholly confined to the tribe of Malsia ë Madhë, and within that tribe is concentrated in the bairak of Gruda.
2. A medium-statured, brachycephalic, short-faced type, with mixed pigmentation, which is fundamentally Alpine. It is found in all tribes, but is commonest in the refuge area of Mirdita.
3. A tall, dolichocephalic or mesocephalic type with dark hair and dark brown eyes, a straight nasal profile, and a tendency toward a lesser leptorrhiny than the total group. This is an Atlanto-Mediterranean racial type which is also prevalent in other Balkan countries. It may also be sorted out of available statistical series of Greeks, while it is common in Bulgaria and easily distinguishable among Serbs. It, or a similar type, also occurs with Dinarics in northern Italy and the Tyrol. In northern Albania it is commonest in Malsia Jakovës and Dukagin.
4. A very strongly differentiated type which is characterized by medium stature, exceptional brachycephaly, great narrowness and convexity of the nose, a high incidence of occipital flattening, and a tendency to light brown eye color in combination with dark brown hair. This type may be called Dinaric in the full or specific sense; most of the other Ghegs are Dinarics in a partial or a general sense. This ultra-Dinaric type is commonest in the tribe of Dibra.
5. A blond, brachycephalic, convex-nosed Noric, of standard type. It is commonest in Zadrima.
6. A few light brown-haired Nordics, centered in Luma.

As you can see, he clearly mention Dinarid and not Asiatic dinarid.

[Hellenas]

As I said you are blind, or even better, a liar, as he mention Asiatic Dinarics as well.

[ushtari]

Jun 6, 2011 16:52:41 GMT -5 Hellenas said:

As I said you are blind, or even better, a liar, as he mention Asiatic Dinarics as well.

Really? where if i may ask because nowhere in the text you keep quoting does it say that Albanians are asiatic dinarics, but simply that these sattled in various parts of the Dinaric alps in the metal age, and that some elements may come from these, as well as among the people of Tyrol for example.

I also quoted two texts from Coon, where he clearly say that Albanians are Dinarics in the classic sense, and does nowhere mention that albanians are asiatic dinarics, its only you who take words completely out of context.

Again, Albanias(ghegs) are european dinarics.

"Mountains of Giants: A Racial and Cultural Study of the North Albanian Mountain Ghegs - Carleton s Coon, p.61"

And again, i also presented a source wich clearly confirms that Albanians are indigenous in Balkan, here is one more:


books.google.com/books?id=5pCBRsfJMv8C&printsec=frontcover&dq=ancient+indo+european+dialects&hl=en&ei=PWLtTdOiO4zCtAbkycmABA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CCkQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q&f=false


Need i continue?

[Hellenas]

Jun 6, 2011 18:28:15 GMT -5 ushtari said:

Really? where if i may ask because nowhere in the text you keep quoting does it say that Albanians are asiatic dinarics, but simply that these sattled in various parts of the Dinaric alps in the metal age, and that some elements may come from these, as well as among the people of Tyrol for example.

The Asiatic Dinarics, who appeared early in the Metal Age, were apparently Alpine-Cappadocian hybrids; many of those went to Europe and settled in widely separated places, including sections of the Dinaric Alps. The exaggerated Dinaric type of Albania, with its tendency to light brown eye color may conceivably be derived from this source. It is also to be found in considerable numbers in the Tyrol.

carnby.altervista.org/troe/12-13.htm

The Gheg Dinarics are not Europeans but Asiatic Dinarics and they came from the same source(Caucasos) as the Asiatic Dinarics of Europe and of Dinaric Alps as well.

[ushtari]

Jun 7, 2011 2:09:05 GMT -5 Hellenas said:

Jun 6, 2011 18:28:15 GMT -5 ushtari said:

The Asiatic Dinarics, who appeared early in the Metal Age, were apparently Alpine-Cappadocian hybrids; many of those went to Europe and settled in widely separated places, including sections of the Dinaric Alps. The exaggerated Dinaric type of Albania, with its tendency to light brown eye color may conceivably be derived from this source. It is also to be found in considerable numbers in the Tyrol.

carnby.altervista.org/troe/12-13.htm

The Gheg Dinarics are not Europeans but Asiatic Dinarics and they came from the same source(Caucasos) as the Asiatic Dinarics of Europe and of Dinaric Alps as well.

Little darkskinned neo-turk(aka greek) you really dont know anything about anthropology do you? why are you taking the text completely out of context? again, he is speaking of certain elements, wich may be derived from these as well as among the people of Tyrol, are you claiming these are Asiatic dinarics to?

Are you familiar with Agrippa? well this is what he said about your little fantasies:

Exaggerated Dinarids are in some respects the opposite of Armenids, f.e. by being more robust bones and long legs etc...

This is also what he said
www.theapricity.com/forum/showpost.php?p=426799&postcount=308



This is a exaggarated Dinarid, and as you can see he clearly differ from Armenoids.



Besides, how come non of the examples of Albanians given by Coon in his book races of europe and mountain of giants, are Armenoids, but simply European dinarics?


And why do you lie when you say that ghegs are asiatic dinarics, when i just a post above gave you a source from Coon, who studied the people and wrote an entire book about it, where he clearly states that Ghegs are Dinarids, in the classic sense?

Here it is again

"Mountains of Giants: A Racial and Cultural Study of the North Albanian Mountain Ghegs - Carleton s Coon, p.61"
Need i continue?

What you also fail to understand is that Coon distinguished Dinarids from Armenoids. If Albanians would be Armenoids, he would not claim they are Dinarids, in the classic sense. But then again, you are a greek, thus one should not be surprised when you spread disinformation.


Again, these are the racial types to be found in Ghegnia according to coon, so why do you keep spreading your bulls**t?

At this point there arises the entire question of Dinaric origins, which may be approached on the basis of a statistical analysis of the Gheg material. Attempts to intercorrelate metrical and morphological characters with each other and with pigmentation reveal the presence of the following types in Ghegnia, each of which shows a tendency for the characters of which it is composed to associate themselves as a unit.

1. A tall, large-headed, brachycephalic, wide-faced type, with intermediate pigmentation, and an especial tendency toward rufosity. This is the Borreby-like type prevalent in Montenegro; in Albania it is almost wholly confined to the tribe of Malsia ë Madhë, and within that tribe is concentrated in the bairak of Gruda.
2. A medium-statured, brachycephalic, short-faced type, with mixed pigmentation, which is fundamentally Alpine. It is found in all tribes, but is commonest in the refuge area of Mirdita.
3. A tall, dolichocephalic or mesocephalic type with dark hair and dark brown eyes, a straight nasal profile, and a tendency toward a lesser leptorrhiny than the total group. This is an Atlanto-Mediterranean racial type which is also prevalent in other Balkan countries. It may also be sorted out of available statistical series of Greeks, while it is common in Bulgaria and easily distinguishable among Serbs. It, or a similar type, also occurs with Dinarics in northern Italy and the Tyrol. In northern Albania it is commonest in Malsia Jakovës and Dukagin.
4. A very strongly differentiated type which is characterized by medium stature, exceptional brachycephaly, great narrowness and convexity of the nose, a high incidence of occipital flattening, and a tendency to light brown eye color in combination with dark brown hair. This type may be called Dinaric in the full or specific sense; most of the other Ghegs are Dinarics in a partial or a general sense. This ultra-Dinaric type is commonest in the tribe of Dibra.
5. A blond, brachycephalic, convex-nosed Noric, of standard type. It is commonest in Zadrima.
6. A few light brown-haired Nordics, centered in Luma.

carnby.altervista.org/troe/12-13.htm

[Hellenas]

Jun 7, 2011 4:18:54 GMT -5 ushtari said:

Little darkskinned neo-turk(aka greek) you really dont know anything about anthropology do you?

Laughable...

YOU ARE A RACIAL TRASH PUSHTARI, YOU ASIATIC-ARMENOID-ALBINO, WE WILL SEND YOU AND YOUR CAUCASIAN PEOPLE BACK TO ARMENIA, SOON OR LATER.

HAIMOS IS GREEK, THE ASIATIC DINARICS DO NOT BELONG HERE.


Is that your father? What a subhuman, go back in Armenia lol...

Even the Tosks are with us, they dislike you and your Armenoid kind.


What great times, when all Haimos peninsula was Greek and
(M)editerranean.(5,000 BC).


A fine example of an old Classic Greek Mediterranean man.

[ushtari]

Hahaha little neo-turk(read: greek) your own source contradict your lies, but you keep spreading them anyway, how come?

As you could see in the quote from your own source, Coon clearly describes what racial types are to be found in Albania, and does nowhere mention Armenoid. Even Agrippa contradict your lies.

And the example i posted is an Exaggerated Dinarid, wich clearly differ from Armenoids.

This is what Agrippa had to say about him:

He is quite progressive, but not that harmonious. Not Armenoid.

And we are descendants of the ancient illyrians, wich Coon also mentions here:



And finally(again, since you seem to be illiterate)



Another source wich confirms that Albanians are Dinarids, and not Armenoids.

The regions of the Slovenes, Croats, Serbs, Montenegrins, and Albanians make up together an area of very strong Dinaric predominance. Other racial strains, however, are also evident in these peoples: Mediterranean blood has penetrated here from the coasts of the Mediterranean Sea, East Baltic blood from Eastern Europe, Nordic blood through various waves of Nordic comers. The northern Albanian Mirdit tribe, on the one hand, and the southern Albanians on the other, would seem to have a fairly strong Nordic strain; the same strain can be seen among the Serbs and the Slovenes.12 Through Albanian settlement Dinaric blood has come into Calabria (southern Italy); while these Albanians are said, too, to show a slight Nordic strain.

www.theapricity.com/earlson/reeh/reoehchap6b.htm

[Hellenas]

Jun 8, 2011 10:34:19 GMT -5 ushtari said:

Hahaha little neo-turk(read: greek) your own source contradict your lies, but you keep spreading them anyway, how come?

I really wonder who's the liar here...anyway, open your Asiatic eyes and read now.

The modern inhabitants of Greece itself differ surprisingly little from their classical predecessors.

carnby.altervista.org/troe/05-04.htm

It is inaccurate to say that the modern Greeks are different physically from the ancient Greeks; such a statement is based on an ignorance of the Greek ethnic character.

It is my personal reaction to the living Greeks that their continuity with their ancestors of the ancient world is remarkable, rather than the opposite.

carnby.altervista.org/troe/12-14.htm

J. Lawrence Angel noted that from the earliest times to the present “racial continuity in Greece is striking.”

Buxton who had earlier studied Greek skeletal material and measured modern Greeks, especially in Cyprus, finds that the modern Greeks “possess physical characteristics not differing essentially from those of the former [ancient Greeks].”

Finally, a more recent statistical comparison of ancient and modern Greek skulls resulted in the discovery of “a remarkable similarity in craniofacial morphology between modern and ancient Greeks.”

dienekes.110mb.com/articles/fallmerayer/

Poulianos’ conclusions of Greek continuity are not simply the wishful thinking of a modern Greek. In a critical review of his book , J. Lawrence Angel states that “Poulianos is correct in pointing out ... that there is complete continuity genetically from ancient to modern times.”[/u]

dienekes.110mb.com/articles/hellenes/

[Hellenas]

Again, until you get it.

Ghegs=Asiatic Dinarics.



www.rrokum.tv/?page=1,29,64&tpl=list_videos.php&filter=G*

The Asiatic Dinarics, who appeared early in the Metal Age, were apparently Alpine-Cappadocian hybrids; many of those went to Europe and settled in widely separated places, including sections of the Dinaric Alps. The exaggerated Dinaric type of Albania, with its tendency to light brown eye color may conceivably be derived from this source. It is also to be found in considerable numbers in the Tyrol.

carnby.altervista.org/troe/12-13.htm

So the Asiatic Dinarics of Albania and of the Dinaric Alps, were Alpine-Cappadocian hybrids who settled in widely separated places of Europe. They were both Asiatics and Cappadocians, meaning modern "Turks".

Why the Germans think that Albanians are Arabs.



And here is what your Serbian and other friends did for you.







Go back in Asia you Turko-Gheg and don't forget to take Allah with you as well.

PS. In Greek mythology, Illyrios was the son of Cadmos and Harmonia who eventually ruled Illyria and became the eponymous ancestor of the whole Illyrian people. The proto-Illyrians were Greeks, not Ghegides.

[ushtari]

lol you really need help, but whatever im not gonna wast my time on retards. Your own source contradict you lies, so i guess there is not much more to do since you seems to be illiterate.

Again exaggarated dinarid ≠ armenoid.

But what can you expect from a lying darkskinned turkoidhybrid(read: greek) like you?

[Hellenas]

Get lost you TURKO-AFRO-GYFTO or even better ASIATIC BLACKSKINNED ARMENO-DINARIC(neo-Alabananian).

[ushtari]

Lets see what Coon have to say about your kind.

The stature mean for Greeks in general runs about 167 cm., and there seems to be little regional variation; those in Asia Minor and in the Crimea are a millimeter shorter, those measured in Boston a millimeter taller. The Greeks are as tall as most South Germans or northern Frenchmen; their stature is too elevated for the prevalence, in partial brachycephalization, of a strong, small Mediterranean strain. About half of them have brunet-white or light brown skin color, the rest the usual pinkish-white of central and northern Europe; over 80 per cent have dark brown hair, the rest have hair evenly divided between black and the lighter shades of brown. Pronounced blondism, although rare, is not unknown. The beard is rarely lighter than the head hair, in contrast to the condition found among Ghegs and Montenegrins; the implication is that the dark brown hair of the majority of Greeks is a pure brunet condition. Over 65 pa-cent of Greeks have pure brown eyes, and most of these are dark brown: pure lights are sporadic, but there is a 15 per cent incidence of light-mixed iris forms.

www.theapricity.com/snpa/index2.htm


And this is what the anthropologist Hans F. K. Günther have to say about you neo-turks(read: greeks)

Since at a later day besides the burning of bodies there was also burial, a few old Greek skulls have been examined. They are mostly dolichocephalic, with average index 75.7. Ridgeway says77 that as late as 400-300 B.C. dolichocephaly was predominant in Greece. Thus it seems to be after 300 B.C. that Hither Asiatic blood flowed more strongly into the Nordic and Mediterranean blood of the Hellenes. Since the Hither Asiatic race shows special trading aptitude, it may be that the growth of trade drew Hither Asiatics in ever-growing numbers into the life of the Mediterranean towns.

But the upper class, the 'Athenians,' grew fewer and fewer, and its place was taken by others that rose from the lower class, and by immigrants from peoples of predominantly Hither Asiatic race

If old Greece was marked mainly by a Nordic-Mediterranean-Dinaric-Hither Asiatic mixture, later times and the Greece of to-day are marked by a Mediterranean-Hither Asiatic-Dinaric-Oriental mixture, and, it would seem, by an ever-swelling stream of the blood of short-headed races from the Balkans. Nordic blood is still found at times, so specially in the Sphakiots, mentioned previously. It seems, too, to have flowed in the Viking-like Khair-ed-din Barbarossa, the founder of Osman rule in North Africa, the red-bearded son of*greek from Lesbos.

www.theapricity.com/earlson/reeh/reoehchap8b.htm

Its not for nothing you are known for being the n**g**rs of Europe.

[Hellenas]

Listen you anomalous tall nigger of albanania, no one care what the Afro-Gyfto-Turks(neo-alabananians) and your Nazi gays say about Greece as well. Smash the moslem albananians and the Nazis.

PS. Most of Greeks are pale skinned as the map of C.S.Coon shows, just sun-tanned/sun-burnt.

[Hellenas]

Jun 7, 2011 4:18:54 GMT -5 ushtari said:

Little darkskinned neo-turk(aka greek) you really dont know anything about anthropology do you?

you are known for being the n**g**rs of Europe.

Nazi propaganda and Albanian lies as well.

Aris Poulianos studied the Greeks more than any other Anthropologist.

The skin color of the Greeks.

"The 90% of the persons we studied have WHITE SKIN COLOR. Rarely someone meets dark skin color and even more rarely very dark skin color. Very light skin color is met more often than dark skin color."

Aris poulianos("The origin of the Greeks", page 69, year 2001).

PS. Greeks have different cranio-facial morphology than the Turks(except from those who are of Greek origin), so the Greeks are not mixed with the Turks. Also Greeks are more close genetically with Italians not with Turks.[/u] No need to include that western Turks mostly are of very ancient south-east European Mediterranean origin and that they also are WHITE SKINNED.

Who don't know now nothing concerning Anthropology, you or me?

[Hellenas]

C.S.Coon about Albanians.

The Albanian language, a hybrid between Illyrian, Thracian, Latin, Slavic, Turkish, and other elements, reflects the ethnically composite origin of the Albanians.

carnby.altervista.org/troe/12-13.htm

Albanians are more Turkish than Greeks.

Genetically Greeks are close with Italians. So they are not mixed with Turks.





dienekes.110mb.com/

[rex362]

It is high treason for a Greek or Serb to acknowledge Albanians as descendants of the Illyrians

It keeps their conception of a Quasi Genetic unity of each of their races together -Fact-

[gjakova]

why did those damn slavs come to balkan,the day they came,is the day we became cursed.and another thing if slavs had to come,why couldn't they be polaks or czechs but it had to be the most brainwashed and stupidiest of them,the serbs.if they were polaks we now would have had nice blond girls and much more friendly neighbours ahhahah