ioan
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Post by ioan on May 28, 2011 6:31:51 GMT -5
Bulgarians never had the chance to receive full civilization and culture like we did. I guess this explains the fact that Old Church Slavonic was the primary language used in Romania for centuries... The Bulgarian cultural influence over Romania was big and essential. Its part of the things that make you unique and interesting.
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Post by Anittas on May 28, 2011 7:52:08 GMT -5
Bulgarians never had the chance to receive full civilization and culture like we did. I guess this explains the fact that Old Church Slavonic was the primary language used in Romania for centuries... The Bulgarian cultural influence over Romania was big and essential. Its part of the things that make you unique and interesting. It was never the primary language used for centuries. It was the primary language used by the administration, for centuries. And it seems it didn't work out too well, so we had to search in other places for better influences. Now we communicate in English when we communicate with the EU, when we compose songs, when we travel and so on. In fact, America has had a much bigger influence on our soul than Bulgaria ever did, because the people like this culture and they choose it. The same cannot be said about Bulgarian influence on us. The people didn't choose it, it was chosen for them. And what Diur said is right on the money. You guys didn't have a culture in the late Middle Ages. You never had a Renaissance. You never had a humanistic philosophy. The same can be said about Serbs and whatever is down there, in that region. All of this makes you backward even to this day.
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Post by ivo on May 28, 2011 9:56:29 GMT -5
Lol. The almighty Vlach speaks!
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Post by Catcher in the Rye on May 28, 2011 11:56:31 GMT -5
I've looked recently on some books that gathered old documents from Moldavia and Walachia. What I've noticed is the Old Church Slavonic it was called just like that: "Slavonic". While the princely chancellery used Slavonic in most of it's documents, the common people translated them as soon as they could and it can be read "translated from Slavonic" (slovenească). As an exception, in a late translation, beginning of the XIXth century, of a 1630's document, the translator wrote "translated from Serbian" (tălmăcit de pe sârbie).
As far as I can tell, in the period it was used, Slavonic, just like Latin, wasn't connected with any nation. It was more like a dead/artificial language. And indeed if we look at the history of the Old Church Slavonic we see that it was created by two Greek missionaries with the purpose of converting the savage Slavic tribes that lived in today's Czechia.
You may call it Bulgarian today but this is just a way for the poor Bulgarian nationalists to imagine Bulgarian cultural influences and other ridiculous things like that.
Was, or rather: is there, such a thing as a Bulgarian culture?
And BTW: Grow up!
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Post by Anittas on May 28, 2011 16:44:23 GMT -5
Oh, AofG is back... and beware: he's full of confidence after Otelul Galati became the first Moldavian team to win Liga I.
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Post by terroreign on May 29, 2011 6:36:05 GMT -5
catcher in the rye is right. the only people who call OCS 'old bulgarian' are bulgarians themselves. the fact it was even called in romanian documents 'Serbian' points to the fact that all slavs are in fact, serbs.
serb blood from bitola to vladivostok (Deadly Serious).
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Post by rusebg on May 30, 2011 14:28:55 GMT -5
A of G, if we presume you are right, then there has never been any written literature in your area, what do you think? Do not tell me Serbs reached Galati and left any kind of cultural traces. What a shame this tradition of intellectual helplesness continues to live a healthy life in some contemprorary creatures there.
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Post by Anittas on May 30, 2011 19:42:51 GMT -5
Ruse, what are you trying to say? AofG was saying as so many of us said earlier: we didn't call it Bulgarian, but Slavonic. He also didn't imply that Slavonic expanded due to Serbian influence. Dude, read what people say.
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Post by terroreign on May 30, 2011 20:13:47 GMT -5
A of G, if we presume you are right, then there has never been any written literature in your area, what do you think? Do not tell me Serbs reached Galati and left any kind of cultural traces. What a shame this tradition of intellectual helplesness continues to live a healthy life in some contemprorary creatures there. well serbs ostensibly made it much farther than just Galati given that the national romanian dance managed to get the name 'serbian' (sarba?)
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Post by Anittas on May 31, 2011 11:47:28 GMT -5
Umm, I don't think we have a national dance. It's a dance among many and I'm guessing it's more popular in the southern part of the country
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Post by rusebg on May 31, 2011 12:25:48 GMT -5
Since I do want to make you feel happy, Krivo, Serbs made it to Baia Mare as well. Actually, few are the places where Serbs didn't make it. Polynesia is one of them for sure, I heard of two others but my imagination wouldn't go that far to deny the Serbian presence in Papua New Guinea and Madagascar.
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Post by terroreign on May 31, 2011 17:15:56 GMT -5
ruse, i don't need you to make me happy i in fact in enjoy our scuffles moreso than the peaceful periods. though you could always bring me a goat...or better yet a young virgin lamb
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Post by Anittas on May 31, 2011 17:22:18 GMT -5
Kri, Bulgarians are used to send their virgin daughters for the Ottomans to deflower them.
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ioan
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Post by ioan on May 31, 2011 23:01:03 GMT -5
catcher in the rye is right. the only people who call OCS 'old bulgarian' are bulgarians themselves. wrong. first it was called old bulgarian by german linguists after doing their research. now it is not called by most slavs old bulgarian due to political reasons. serbs will never call it old bulgarian tnx to their backstabbing macedonian policy. sure sure... rusians, bulgarians, poles, czecks are all serbs in disguise.
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Post by Anittas on Jun 1, 2011 1:00:19 GMT -5
Ioan, you lost it. AofG has no reason to raise the prestige of the Serbs and he said that he found this statement in only one document.
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Post by Catcher in the Rye on Jun 3, 2011 9:58:50 GMT -5
It seems Old Church Slavonic was called, „Sârbie” by Romanians sometimes in the XVIIIth-XIXth centuries. Before that it was simply known as Slavonic. According to the dictionaries, „sârbie” was synonymous with Slavonic. dexonline.ro/definitie/sârbieFrom what I understood „sârbie” didn't meant Serbian language, who was called „sârbeşte”, but meant only Old Church Slavonic. I think as OCS fell out of use in the XVIIIth-XIXth centuries, there were fewer and fewer people who knew it while there was still a necessity to translate the old propriety documents . At a time (around 1700), the Romanian Orthodox Church of Transylvania, due to the German (Austrian) political maneuvers, was put under the Serbian Metropoly in Carloviţ and the Romanian metropolits were replaced for over a century with Serbian (obedient Austrian servants) ones, who imported some, or many, Serbian priests. It was a thing that led to some unexpected side effects like a lot of Romanians „gaining” the ending „vici” to their family names and the enforcing of OCS by the new Serbian mitropolites. I think that's the source for the late synonymous sârbie for slavoneşte.
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Post by terroreign on Jun 5, 2011 1:16:56 GMT -5
correct me if im wrong but the bulgarians were aligned with the nazis like it's better to be of turkic blood than serb
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Post by terroreign on Jun 5, 2011 1:18:09 GMT -5
catcher that just points to slav = serb by all accounts
romans called the carpatians 'mountes serrorum' during the middle ages.....never forget
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Post by Anittas on Jun 5, 2011 5:46:27 GMT -5
catcher that just points to slav = serb by all accounts romans called the carpatians 'mountes serrorum' during the middle ages.....never forget Do you have a source that supports a connection between that name to the name of the Serbs? On Wikipedia I see that the Roman Emperor Licinius "refers to the Carpathian Mountains as "Montes Serrorum". A bunch of Serb sites do the same, but I couldn't find an academical source. If you can find one for me, preferably non-Yugo, I would like to know about it.
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ioan
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Post by ioan on Jun 5, 2011 12:06:34 GMT -5
correct me if im wrong but the bulgarians were aligned with the nazis alied in 20 century. i m reffering to 19 century (when german linguists called OCS Old Bulgarian). i dont know, what i know is its better to be of bulgarian blood than serb. even your history is proof of that. your greatest rulers had much more bulgarian than serbian blood.
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