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Post by Sokol on Oct 25, 2011 19:07:05 GMT -5
Macedonia would not attack Albania, we would just squash the shiptars in our territory and send them to Albania...
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Post by superalbo on Oct 26, 2011 0:13:53 GMT -5
Its something we are waiting, FYROMS attacking Albanian civillians, We are just waiting for a chance like this to bomb your ass.
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Post by Sokol on Oct 26, 2011 0:23:04 GMT -5
Its something we are waiting, FYROMS attacking Albanian civillians, We are just waiting for a chance like this to bomb your ass. Who's 'we'? The Albanian army? If so, then this is a regional conflict, with Serbia involved. If you mean, the KLA, then we will wipe you out this time. The Macedonian armed forces have been built up alot over the past 10 years. Just try it...
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Post by Anittas on Oct 26, 2011 16:46:26 GMT -5
Its something we are waiting, FYROMS attacking Albanian civillians, We are just waiting for a chance like this to bomb your ass. You better not wait for such an incident to take place. Macedonia is not Serbia. If you try to make trouble there, you'll get smacked. Not necessarily by Macedonia or Serbia, but by their allies. And you got no bombs ... maybe spears and masks to frighten little children.
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Post by Sokol on Oct 26, 2011 19:33:28 GMT -5
Its something we are waiting, FYROMS attacking Albanian civillians, We are just waiting for a chance like this to bomb your ass. You better not wait for such an incident to take place. Macedonia is not Serbia. If you try to make trouble there, you'll get smacked. Not necessarily by Macedonia or Serbia, but by their allies. And you got no bombs ... maybe spears and masks to frighten little children. Indeed; Declaration of Strategic Partnership and Cooperation Between the United States of America and the Republic of Macedonia"The United States and Macedonia reaffirm their support for the principles of sovereignty and territorial integrity of states, the purposes and principles of the UN charter, and a unitary, multiethnic Macedonia within its existing borders."2001-2009.state.gov/p/eur/rls/or/104441.htm
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Post by uz on Oct 27, 2011 14:29:51 GMT -5
The United States had the same policy towards Serbia, until 99'.
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Post by Sokol on Oct 27, 2011 17:55:53 GMT -5
Serbia or FRY?
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Post by uz on Oct 27, 2011 17:58:16 GMT -5
Serbia.
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Post by Sokol on Oct 27, 2011 18:09:06 GMT -5
The difference between Serbia and Macedonia is that Macedonia is not a federation, and the shiptars do not have an autonomous province or republic. In Serbia however, Kosovo was a defined territorial unit. In Macedonia, the shiptars have to first fight for this step before they can even consider secession. They will not succeed in this first step because shiptars are scattered in Macedonia (for example there are Macedonian majority areas between Gostivar and Debar). They have achieved the best result possible with the Ohrid Agreement. The EU, US cannot stomach another shiptar insurgency for 'human rights'. Macedonia is an allie of the US, unlike Serbia.
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Post by uz on Oct 27, 2011 18:13:49 GMT -5
The USA have had allies across the board in which they suddenly turned against. Most recently being Ghadafi.
Don't count on America for anything, you're being tooled around like the shiptars are in Kosovo. Macedonians are constantly degraded here, in the West. Mainly b/c you're seen as American poodles.
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Post by Sokol on Oct 27, 2011 18:29:06 GMT -5
America looks after America, and at the moment America can't afford to support greater-albania. Who knows, may they will in the future, so we have friends apart from the Americans too
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Post by uz on Oct 27, 2011 18:31:10 GMT -5
America looks after America, and at the moment America can't afford to support greater-albania. Who knows, may they will in the future, so we have friends apart from the Americans too You got it backwards brate. USA does in fact support "greater"- Albania. The EU are the only ones' skeptical about it. At the same time, I'm sure you know how well the Americans have the EU on lockdown.
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Post by Sokol on Oct 27, 2011 18:40:28 GMT -5
The EU and US also support an independent Macedonia in it's current borders. They know attempts to change our borders will result in a real Balkan war, which would involve countries other than ex-YU republics.
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Post by uz on Oct 27, 2011 18:42:44 GMT -5
The EU and US also support an independent Macedonia in it's current borders. They know attempts to change our borders will result in a real Balkan war, which would involve countries other than ex-YU republics. If Macedonia goes to war, what neighbours of yours' will back you? Macedonia made the mistake long ago for not alligning with Serbia. Now it might come back and bite you all in the ass.
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Post by Sokol on Oct 27, 2011 19:11:12 GMT -5
If it is a civil war, then we can deal with the shiptars in our borders ourselves. However if Kosovo and Albania become involved, then we are talking about a regional war. I don't think Bulgaria would miss the opportunity to expand her borders, and Serbia sitting idly by as her territory (Kosovo) is involved in this war. Whether Greece becomes involved, depends on whether there would be a spill-over of the war into Greek territory, which could also bring in Turkey on the side of Macedonia.
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Post by Anittas on Oct 27, 2011 23:14:47 GMT -5
Romania, I hope, would support Macedonia in a conflict. There are more than 20,000 Aromanian living in Macedonia and the Macedonian people have been good to them. Macedonians are our brothers and we would protect them.
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Post by Sokol on Oct 27, 2011 23:39:11 GMT -5
Romania, I hope, would support Macedonia in a conflict. There are more than 20,000 Aromanian living in Macedonia and the Macedonian people have been good to them. Macedonians are our brothers and we would protect them. I would hope so too. There about 6,000 Macedonians in Romania, who are a recognised minority, as is the Macedonian language. Macedonia and Romania have a great relationship. FYI, my great-grandfather lived in Wallachia (Vlashko, as it was known in Ottoman Macedonia) for a time as a pechalbar ie., for work in the 19th century, as did many other Macedonians of the time.
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Post by uz on Oct 28, 2011 15:47:25 GMT -5
LOL @ the new friendship. ^
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Post by makednon on Oct 28, 2011 16:47:37 GMT -5
The EU and US also support an independent Macedonia in it's current borders. They know attempts to change our borders will result in a real Balkan war, which would involve countries other than ex-YU republics. If Macedonia goes to war, what neighbours of yours' will back you? Macedonia made the mistake long ago for not alligning with Serbia. Now it might come back and bite you all in the ass. It really goes down to the factors which led to the war itself. As far as the US politics goes, they do not, and never will, support Greater Albania for the sole fact that they are against any kind of regional or continental leader countries, i.e. countries that have big territories and therefore power. They always support seccesion of regions which are part of strong and unified national formations, like Serbia was, and still is to an extent. USA literally follows the roman strategy of Divide and Conquer. As for the relationship between Macedonia and Serbia, the former really did not have any choice other then staying silent as it was fighting for its own very existence, for which it was bullies many times, one being the 2001 conflict. There were both positive and negative steps towards Serbia. On one hand, Macedonia didnt allow using its territory for the bombardment in 1999 and the common people strongly supported Serbia which can be seen in the protests that were organized on daily basis, the setting on fire of the US embassy and the overall cheering for Serbia, especially when those stealth planes were brought down. On the other it did recognize Kosovo. In my opinion, Serbia and Macedonia have deep ties between each other, and common problems which can be solved by close cooperation. Serbia is the only neighbor towards which the majority of Macedonians dont feel deep antagonism and hatred. If we ever witness a switch in the current global geopolitics, we might even see another federative formation between our two nations. At the current level, no one can speak about that publicly for variety of reasons (kinda same as with euro skepticism). There are many steps taken which point towards closer cooperation between the two countries. Recognition and full rights of the minorities in both countries, the recent bilateral agreements (like crossing the borders only with personal ID card), etc. Remember that the government recognized Kosovo, Macedonians did not and never would have.
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Post by uz on Oct 28, 2011 17:04:01 GMT -5
^ Well said.
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