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Post by aussie75 on Oct 14, 2014 18:30:36 GMT -5
Southern Russia, north-eastern Ukraine, and they started to move into more western territories after the departure of goths and the hunnic invasions opened their doors to central Europe. But in the balkan area the slavic haplogroup is a minority, surpased by each thraco-ilirian haplogroups, I2 and E1b1b. Why do i have the impression that i read this manufactured BS for the 1000th time? Dude the slavic element not only is very present in the Balkans, it was from the Balkans that the Slavs expanded. No wonder the SERBIAN language is the MOST ARCHAIC (7-declensions) of all Slavic languages. Brate where are the roman documents of Serbs settling in the Balkans, where are the Greek docos from the time of settlement, none! Just some made up story from Austro-Germans! We have documents of Shqiptars arriving into Serbia via Drach at the latter half of 11th cent! |
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Post by aussie75 on Oct 14, 2014 18:33:35 GMT -5
You're being ridiculous kraj, telling us that almost 300 mil slavic peoples in the eastern part of Europe are from Balkans, while in our area the slavic blood is way less than thraco-ilirian blood. You also give credits ti slavdom for something that is related to thraco-ilirians. Where did you learned that, in mother russia?!  Explain to me all the Sarb, Sirb, Serban toponyms inside Romania? Let's not forget the dance Sarba! |
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Post by geticusultra on Oct 14, 2014 19:23:51 GMT -5
'Porphyrogenitus' account claims that Serbs departed with the Unknown Archont from White Serbia and settled in the Balkans during the reign of Emperor Heraclius (610-641). They stayed in the Salonica province, and gave their name to the town "Servia",[11] but decided to leave for their homeland. In Belgrade, they contacted the strategos and requested lands, and they received territory in the desolate lands of Roman Dalmatia encompassing parts of modern Croatia (Dalmatia), Herzegovina, Serbia and Montenegro (Serbia (Rascia), Pagania, Zahumlje, Travunia and Konavli)"
Look, a eastern roman talking about a slavic migration. But it seems to me that you agree that most of the serbs are thraco-ilirians like us, not peoples who migrated here.
You are like kralj, believing that half of Europe is serbian and the rest of us stealed it from you?
It's very common for romanians to name locations after the neighbours, even medieval romanian states were given names related with their neighbours like Ungro-vlahia or ruso-vlahia.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Oct 15, 2014 0:57:54 GMT -5
Why do i have the impression that i read this manufactured BS for the 1000th time? Dude the slavic element not only is very present in the Balkans, it was from the Balkans that the Slavs expanded. No wonder the SERBIAN language is the MOST ARCHAIC (7-declensions) of all Slavic languages. Brate where are the roman documents of Serbs settling in the Balkans, where are the Greek docos from the time of settlement, none! Just some made up story from Austro-Germans! We have documents of Shqiptars arriving into Serbia via Drach at the latter half of 11th cent! HA HA HA WATCH THIS... He have greek documents about the POGROMS AGAINST THE SLAVS IN SOUTHERN GREECE in 900 AD.... We have evidence about the evil jewish-latin empires fighting the Free Slavs in Greece, BUT NOTHING ABOUT THEIR SUPPOSED MIGRATION TO GREECE... HA HA HA HA HA But even this, (chronicle of Monemvasia - note, Monemvasia is still today one the very few places in Morias - (Peloponese) where still ancient greek are spoken), was of course suppressed by the western saxon-jewish butchers of history... Novi, there is no single western attempt to re-write history without resulting in total inconsistency and completely absent self-integrity. |
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Oct 15, 2014 1:03:01 GMT -5
'Porphyrogenitus' account claims that Serbs departed with the Unknown Archont from White Serbia and settled in the Balkans during the reign of Emperor Heraclius (610-641). They stayed in the Salonica province, and gave their name to the town "Servia",[11] but decided to leave for their homeland. In Belgrade, they contacted the strategos and requested lands, and they received territory in the desolate lands of Roman Dalmatia encompassing parts of modern Croatia (Dalmatia), Herzegovina, Serbia and Montenegro (Serbia (Rascia), Pagania, Zahumlje, Travunia and Konavli)" Look, a eastern roman talking about a slavic migration. But it seems to me that you agree that most of the serbs are thraco-ilirians like us, not peoples who migrated here. You are like kralj, believing that half of Europe is serbian and the rest of us stealed it from you? It's very common for romanians to name locations after the neighbours, even medieval romanian states were given names related with their neighbours like Ungro-vlahia or ruso-vlahia. porphirogenitos was an illiterate Armenian. I have read the whole DAI book in its original (  ?) greek script and the guy does the one gramaticall and spelling error after the other. At points it seems he speaks with some reason, yet in other points he sounds ridiculous. Of course all those scripts were at the mercy of western-latin-jewish "priests", and we can only imagine the level of buctchering.l |
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Post by geticusultra on Oct 15, 2014 4:24:00 GMT -5
What western latin jewish when he was eastern roman from Armenia. He wasn't a native speaker of greek, it's inevitable to make mistakes. That doesn't alters the historic importance of it's writings. The only thing you can say against the migration theory it seems it's western-latin jews.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Oct 15, 2014 5:57:31 GMT -5
What western latin jewish when he was eastern roman from Armenia. He wasn't a native speaker of greek, it's inevitable to make mistakes. That doesn't alters the historic importance of it's writings. The only thing you can say against the migration theory it seems it's western-latin jews. The DAI went thru several "incarnations" in the hands of several catholic priests and monks. The slavic migration theory has basically one problem. It goes against human logic. It is impossible e..g from the Rio/Antirio strait (1km stripe of sea) in 500 AD, to have passed so many Slavs that gave names to 1000 villages in southern greece alone. And if so many Slavs passed, then WTF was the official "roman"-"byzantine" authorities doing? Did they (authorities) invite them? Were they (Slavs) baptised? Were they Bogomils ? There is Florin Curta from Romania who have studied all those fields extensively. Also one Greek Historian Peter Charanis as well. Apart from them, no one ever questioned the Slavic problem at least in Greece. Greeks behave like Slavs never existed. I guess the same is happening in : - Albania - Romania - Hungary |
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Post by branislavnusic on Aug 31, 2018 5:49:00 GMT -5
We have heard now from Serbs to talk about Ancient Serbia --------> result will end up, descendants of Iranians ! I am a proud Iranian |
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Post by Pyrros on Aug 31, 2018 15:27:46 GMT -5
procitaj komentara sine moj i kazi mi..... jel ovo navodno priateljstvo i "bratstvo" najveca zapadna prevara ili ne?
svi.... karta, arxilleas, basil, leandros, etc... svi hocu jednu malu srbiju da radi kao "mali pas" Grcke.. (LMAO)...
SVI su protiv slavena SVI!
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Post by rex362 on Aug 31, 2018 18:09:15 GMT -5
We have heard now from Serbs to talk about Ancient Serbia --------> result will end up, descendants of Iranians ! I am a proud Iranian Ancient Karpatia |
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Post by rex362 on Aug 31, 2018 18:10:15 GMT -5
procitaj komentara sine moj i kazi mi..... jel ovo navodno priateljstvo i "bratstvo" najveca zapadna prevara ili ne?
svi.... karta, arxilleas, basil, leandros, etc... svi hocu jednu malu srbiju da radi kao "mali pas" Grcke.. (LMAO)...
SVI su protiv slavena SVI!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2018 18:53:30 GMT -5
Lepenski Vir, Starcevo and Vinca cultures was predominantly I2a haplogroup carriers, like modern day South Slavs. They are all closely related to modern day South Slavs. Its another thing this group streched out to the north, to Crimea basically. This haplogroup is one of the oldest in Europe. Its a mark of Paleolithic Europeans. Modern day Albanians are Neolithic newcomers. |
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Post by Pyrros on Sept 1, 2018 0:13:35 GMT -5
Lepenski Vir, Starcevo and Vinca cultures was predominantly I2a haplogroup carriers, like modern day South Slavs. They are all closely related to modern day South Slavs. Its another thing this group streched out to the north, to Crimea basically. This haplogroup is one of the oldest in Europe. Its a mark of Paleolithic Europeans. Modern day Albanians are Neolithic newcomers.
arbanos came after 961 AD. After this anti-Greek anti-Slav anti-Arab war of this Armenian criminal (Nikiforos Fokas) against Crete, which was in alliance with the Arabs. When the western romans (EU equivalent of 1200) conquered the eastern romans in 1204, they started huge waves of immigration literally stuffing Greece with albos and vlahs. The Slavs became minority.
And now watch this :
BULGARS and SERBS after them did NOTHING to slavicize them..... Remind you of any Vucic today? Instead Stefan Dusan included the Vlahs in his empire and granted them minority status..... Yeah completely Vucic...
Both Bulgarians and Serbs worked in order to Greekify them.
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Post by branislavnusic on Sept 1, 2018 0:26:19 GMT -5
Lepenski Vir, Starcevo and Vinca cultures was predominantly I2a haplogroup carriers, like modern day South Slavs. They are all closely related to modern day South Slavs. Its another thing this group streched out to the north, to Crimea basically. This haplogroup is one of the oldest in Europe. Its a mark of Paleolithic Europeans. Modern day Albanians are Neolithic newcomers.
arbanos came after 961 AD. After this anti-Greek anti-Slav anti-Arab war of this Armenian criminal (Nikiforos Fokas) against Crete, which was in alliance with the Arabs. When the western romans (EU equivalent of 1200) conquered the eastern romans in 1204, they started huge waves of immigration literally stuffing Greece with albos and vlahs. The Slavs became minority.
And now watch this :
BULGARS and SERBS after them did NOTHING to slavicize them..... Remind you of any Vucic today? Instead Stefan Dusan included the Vlahs in his empire and granted them minority status..... Yeah completely Vucic...
Both Bulgarians and Serbs worked in order to Greekify them.
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Post by branislavnusic on Sept 1, 2018 0:41:06 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2018 4:03:50 GMT -5
Pyrros & branislavnusicI don't believe both official and alternative historiographies, because the sources could've been altered or completely fabricated. Genetics on other hand can't be fabricated. Genetics say Albanians main Y-DNA lineage evolved somewhere in Levant and migrated to Balkans in Neolithic period (new Stone Age) and the excavations found that. Sopot, Vinca, Eastern Linear Ceramic, Cardium Pottery, Karanovo and Hamamgia were mix of I2a and G haplogroups. They were Paleolithic cultures (old Stone age). 
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Post by branislavnusic on Sept 1, 2018 4:06:47 GMT -5
Pyrros & branislavnusic I don't believe both official and alternative historiographies, because the sources could've been altered or completely fabricated. Genetics on other hand can't be fabricated. Genetics say Albanians main Y-DNA lineage evolved somewhere in Levant and migrated to Balkans in Neolithic period (new Stone Age) and the excavations found that. Sopot, Vinca, Eastern Linear Ceramic, Cardium Pottery, Karanovo and Hamamgia were mix of I2a and G haplogroups. They were Paleolithic cultures (old Stone age). Interesting indeed. |
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Post by Pyrros on Sept 1, 2018 4:53:29 GMT -5
Genetics : - are the easiest to fabricate, since they are at a percentage more than 99.9999% done in western anti-Slav labs - I strongly believe they tell a tiny fraction of the story. There must be something bigger than plain genetics that is hidden from us
example :
one urban vlah from Larisa (what you would call the average Greek today) is completely identical to a rural Makedonian from Edesa/Florina. In looks, DNA, whatever.
*BUT* their souls is like COMPLETELY different.
Slavic must be something beyond genetics. To be even more extreme, I believe genetics is an anti-Slav trap, and I am not seeing myself falling in this.
I believe in combining facts from
- medical history
- geology/caveology (e.g. the study of caves can be proven extremely helpful)
- geography (toponyms - those cant be erased so easily since they are known to a lot of people) - customs, language, traditions <--- gold as far as historical info goes
And most of all, common logic. I repeat common logic. I say this once again : common logic.
Albanians are a much weaker civilization than Slavic. Albs are uncivilized, have an inferior language, and are very few in numbers compared to the Slavs.
If those albs were .... newcomers ... to the balkans during the neo-lithic period??? hmmmm so that the latest they came can be estimated the latest at 2000 BC. Ok. This means about 4000 years under Slavic domination...
What are the chances that those albo toponyms in Albania survived 4000 years in the Slavic domain?
lemme tell you : zero
Those albo toponyms were created ... JUST LIKE THE ALBO TOPONYMS IN KOSOVO... not in some past year BC... but TODAY....
961 AD -> today
Albs came after 961. Same with Vlahs. We came to replace the Slavs. Simply. And still we are unable to rename the old Slavic toponyms.
This DNA, paleolithic stories are butter on the bread of the west... watch it comin ...
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2018 5:01:30 GMT -5
They arrived in Greece. Only later moved to Albania. Besides mainland Greeks also have the same main Y-DNA lineages as Albanians E-v13.
PS. Also Y-DNA testing of the Paleolithic Europeans was done by the group of scientists, where our scientists were involved too.
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Post by Pyrros on Sept 1, 2018 5:11:48 GMT -5
Linguistic studies have shown that Slavic was spoken in south Greece till 1400 AD. And in Ipir till 1700 AD.
AlboVlahs came after 961 AD and the sad fact was that both the Bulgarian and Serbian empires were involved in this. Just Like Borisov and Vucic are acting anti-Slav today.
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?) greek script and the guy does the one gramaticall and spelling error after the other. At points it seems he speaks with some reason, yet in other points he sounds ridiculous. Of course all those scripts were at the mercy of western-latin-jewish "priests", and we can only imagine the level of buctchering.l
