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Post by ulf on Jan 17, 2012 20:21:58 GMT -5
You all are wasting your time if you want to convince them that they are Serbs because most of them are not anymore, and it doesn't matter really whether they were. We should focus on those few remaining on the north and try to convince Macedonian government to open the Serbian schools for those who consider themselves Serbs Serbia should do the same for the Macedonian minority in Serbia, in particular in Vojvodina where they are concentrated. Our government gave them such opportunity, but they refused
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Post by ljubotan on Jan 17, 2012 22:56:05 GMT -5
Most tetovcani if not all are pro serb, like ur zit. We r from a village called Vratnica, very pro serb and the diaspora in detroit built a serbian church.
Novi, i dont know how the cases were lost, but they werent present i the 17cent. I think thats one of the biggest mysteries. u have a point about srbinovo etc. i never heard of bugarinovo etc. i think that if serbians were not so negative towards macedonians wth jokes etc, they would have had better results. Sadly now even in tetovo u have people that dont celebrate a house slava anymore. They say that was a serbian thing, and macedonians dont celebrate one. The govt there did a great job in hyping n pushing the name on folks. The name is embarrassing n ridiculous!! Macedonians r soft, humble n gracious people, but they would never fight to the end like bosnian serb, montenegrin or albanian. I hate to admit it but thats the trait on avg.
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Post by Sokol on Jan 17, 2012 23:05:03 GMT -5
Most tetovcani if not all are pro serb, like ur zit. We r from a village called Vratnica, very pro serb and the diaspora in detroit built a serbian church. Novi, i dont know how the cases were lost, but they werent present i the 17cent. I think thats one of the biggest mysteries. u have a point about srbinovo etc. i never heard of bugarinovo etc. i think that if serbians were not so negative towards macedonians wth jokes etc, they would have had better results. Sadly now even in tetovo u have people that dont celebrate a house slava anymore. They say that was a serbian thing, and macedonians dont celebrate one. The govt there did a great job in hyping n pushing the name on folks. The name is embarrassing n ridiculous!! Macedonians r soft, humble n gracious people, but they would never fight to the end like bosnian serb, montenegrin or albanian. I hate to admit it but thats the trait on avg. Kujkni Slavi are not existent in Macedonia, however Selski Slavi are, and in the diaspora. Macedonians are not as hardcore as the serbs, croats or shiptars. I guess this has meant we have avoided large scale war, and have preserved more Macedonian lives, not to mention Macedonia's current borders. Macedonians would rather get on with their lives and have a good time, when warranted, rather than fight wars....
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Post by ljubotan on Jan 18, 2012 11:51:51 GMT -5
Sadly propaganda and racism against Serbs by the MK govt has led many not to have kucne slave. By the way, many many many folks in MK have kucne slave and many more in the past as well. Unfortunately, there's no back bone there and a lot of these stupid young Macedonians jumped on that wagon and craped on their Serb forefathers.
When warranted you don't do squat! Instead you higher Serb/Ukraine pilots and Serb fighters. Okay, I give credit to some of the Lions out of Bitolja.
A disgraceful name to say the least. There is nothing Macedonian in the current Macedonian borders. If anything the Paeonians and Dardanians fought against the expanding Macedonian empire...they got absorbed into the kingdom.
Sramotna rabota
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Post by srbobran on Jan 18, 2012 16:30:20 GMT -5
Several books I've read mentioned Serbian volunteers in the Macedonian war but all the information they provide is minimal. Do you have any concrete source or articles that explain them in greater detail?
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Post by Sokol on Jan 18, 2012 17:25:30 GMT -5
Sadly propaganda and racism against Serbs by the MK govt has led many not to have kucne slave. By the way, many many many folks in MK have kucne slave and many more in the past as well. Unfortunately, there's no back bone there and a lot of these stupid young Macedonians jumped on that wagon and craped on their Serb forefathers. When warranted you don't do squat! Instead you higher Serb/Ukraine pilots and Serb fighters. Okay, I give credit to some of the Lions out of Bitolja. A disgraceful name to say the least. There is nothing Macedonian in the current Macedonian borders. If anything the Paeonians and Dardanians fought against the expanding Macedonian empire...they got absorbed into the kingdom. Sramotna rabota Sramota? And Serbia shrinking to it's pre-1913 borders is not? Serbs keep behaving like France and England are still supporting them, well guess what...they're not. They're supporting other Balkan nations. You see, Serbs can be the greatest fighters in the world and it doesn't mean shit, when borders are decided by politicans. And BTW, the Macedonian army has performed superbly in Iraq and Afghanistan, even receiving medals from the U.S as a result....
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Post by ulf on Jan 18, 2012 18:27:29 GMT -5
That really doesn't matter. When it came to liberating your own country you waited for those Serbs to defeat Turks in Kumanovo, and your government now treat their sons like this. Now that's something what I mind, and I couldn't possibly care if your soldiers received golden plates. Let those people declare themselves whatever they wish to and give them at least as a part of school program 2 classes per week if they're Serbs.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Jan 18, 2012 18:37:15 GMT -5
"Novi, i dont know how the cases were lost, but they werent present i the 17cent. I think thats one of the biggest mysteries."
Ljubo brate, it basically comes down to languages (not natural to slavs) that were surrounding the local slavic population and having influence on the language, like Aromanian, Vlach, Albanians or Greek (Greek has declensional system).
"u have a point about srbinovo etc. i never heard of bugarinovo etc. i think that if serbians were not so negative towards macedonians wth jokes etc, they would have had better results."
Ljubo, it comes down to communism changing the mentality of people. Communism taught Serbs to believe Fyromians arn't Serbs and their was an underlaying pro-bulgar agenda making alot of serbs believe (perception) that they are really Bulgars......it worked, tito masterminded a new state. I know Chento will talk about prior to Tito and of a *Macedonian* drive from locals, but l'm talking about Serbs and the change of the mind during Tito.
"Sadly now even in tetovo u have people that dont celebrate a house slava anymore. They say that was a serbian thing, and macedonians dont celebrate one."
I've come across Fyromian's Ljubo who tell me, yes, we have a Slava but we don't really celebrate it, we just know the date of it. Name days seem to have more weight with the people than the Slava.
"The govt there did a great job in hyping n pushing the name on folks. The name is embarrassing n ridiculous!! Macedonians r soft, humble n gracious people, but they would never fight to the end like bosnian serb, montenegrin or albanian. I hate to admit it but thats the trait on avg."
What do you do man?
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Post by Novi Pazar on Jan 18, 2012 18:47:11 GMT -5
"That really doesn't matter. When it came to liberating your own country you waited for those Serbs to defeat Turks in Kumanovo, and your government now treat their sons like this. Now that's something what I mind, and I couldn't possibly care if your soldiers received golden plates. Let those people declare themselves whatever they wish to and give them at least as a part of school program 2 classes per week if they're Serbs."
Ulf, thats what l've been telling Chento here, but it doesn't matter for him, as long as his nation is o.k, who cares what sacrifices Serbs have indured to secure freedoms for his people in the past. What is extremely painful, it almost gets me to the point of vomating, being told his grandfathers fought with the BuLgari in WW2, it was those same BuLgari who damaged it during that time.
Knowing what l've read from him, he would even p.iss on that monument on Srebrnjak hill.
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Post by Sokol on Jan 18, 2012 18:48:22 GMT -5
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Post by Novi Pazar on Jan 18, 2012 18:58:37 GMT -5
^ Serbs were cleansing out defective minded individuals who supported un-natural Bulgarianism, post exarchos period Chento. I can demonstrate the Bulgarianism through a Serbofile known as George Miletic or that pig Mihailov.
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Post by Sokol on Jan 18, 2012 19:02:32 GMT -5
^ Serbs were cleansing out defective minded individuals who supported un-natural Bulgarianism, post exarchos period Chento. I can demonstrate the Bulgarianism through a Serbofile known as George Miletic or that pig Mihailov. Serbs cleansing.....yes, you're famous for that aren't you...and we still give you rights in our country.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Jan 18, 2012 19:21:42 GMT -5
^ what happened to the Serbian church Chento and our rights to join one? Don't the Vardarians have rights to build and attend their *churches* in Vojvodina? Just remember, from Wiki: The Macedonian Orthodox Church was created in 1967, effectively as an offshoot of the Serbian Orthodox ChurchPS With cleansing, it was minimal, that is more of a Bulgar trait
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Post by Sokol on Jan 18, 2012 19:33:54 GMT -5
^ what happened to the Serbian church Chento and our rights to join one? Don't the Vardarians have rights to build and attend their *churches* in Vojvodina? Just remember, from Wiki: The Macedonian Orthodox Church was created in 1967, effectively as an offshoot of the Serbian Orthodox ChurchPS With cleansing, it was minimal, that is more of a Bulgar trait No, we don't have rights to build churches in Vojvodina. Srebrenica minimal? hmmmm.....
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Post by Novi Pazar on Jan 18, 2012 19:47:31 GMT -5
"No, we don't have rights to build churches in Vojvodina."
I know because they are an offshoot of the Serbian Orthodox Church
"Srebrenica minimal? hmmmm....."
Do some research, don't blindly follow western media propaganda, you should know better Chento.
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Post by Sokol on Jan 18, 2012 20:06:00 GMT -5
"No, we don't have rights to build churches in Vojvodina." I know because they are an offshoot of the Serbian Orthodox Church
"Srebrenica minimal? hmmmm....." Do some research, don't blindly follow western media propaganda, you should know better Chento. Offshoot? Justiniana Prima and the Ohrid Archbishopric are older than any Serbian Church....don't kid yourself. www.mpc.org.mk/English/MPC/history-mpc.asp
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Post by Novi Pazar on Jan 18, 2012 22:09:23 GMT -5
^ haha o.k, do you know the name Pec at all?
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Post by Sokol on Jan 18, 2012 22:48:30 GMT -5
^ haha o.k, do you know the name Pec at all? Pec - established 1219 AD www.spc.rs/eng/churchOhrid Archbishopric - established 1018 AD anything else?
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Jan 19, 2012 9:45:22 GMT -5
^ Serbs were cleansing out defective minded individuals who supported un-natural Bulgarianism, post exarchos period Chento. I can demonstrate the Bulgarianism through a Serbofile known as George Miletic or that pig Mihailov. Serbs cleansing.....yes, you're famous for that aren't you lay off the CNN dude, it will burn your few remaining braincells.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Jan 19, 2012 9:48:03 GMT -5
"No, we don't have rights to build churches in Vojvodina." I know because they are an offshoot of the Serbian Orthodox Church
"Srebrenica minimal? hmmmm....." Do some research, don't blindly follow western media propaganda, you should know better Chento. Offshoot? Justiniana Prima and the Ohrid Archbishopric are older than any Serbian Church....don't kid yourself. www.mpc.org.mk/English/MPC/history-mpc.aspThere loads of Serbian monuments *SOUTH* of greek macedonia..... Why do you think the russians take care that certain monasteries (and their findings) remain intact? (in Greece and Sveta Gora as well).... Too bad Serbs are too stupid, kind and naive to look south of Makedonia.... due to brotherly love for both Maks and Greeks... Stupid Serbs.... They should screw them all...
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