Kralj Vatra
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Jan 23, 2012 6:26:04 GMT -5
Aziz, suck our dick and STFU, i dont have the time to read (any of) your BS, but i am sure Novi sodomized you again ;D You are not worth not even the 2 seconds i just gave you.
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Post by ivo on Jan 23, 2012 8:36:09 GMT -5
Aziz, suck our dick and STFU, i dont have the time to read (any of) your BS, but i am sure Novi sodomized you again ;D You are not worth not even the 2 seconds i just gave you. You share one!? Retards hahaha.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Jan 25, 2012 2:33:16 GMT -5
You are the retard Aziz. You seem to always forget that.
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Post by ioan on Jan 25, 2012 4:51:38 GMT -5
ivo is very well educated, he has posted tons of neutral sources (not Bulgarian), but neither you, nor Novi care to read them. It is Novi who cites authors which believed that the Macedonians were Bulgarians in atempt to proove they thought they were Serbs. Actually Novi should be given the price for "the person who misquoted most people, misread their books and get the opposite of what they tried to say".
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Jan 25, 2012 5:35:02 GMT -5
^^^ Nobody beats Aziz. He gets raped, and after 1 day, he behaves like nothing happened (" i dont remember", "pls read again" are some of his cliches)... Aziz is a lost cause. You fit in the same class when you get angry as well. RuseBG is no-factor since he barely ever writes anything.
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Post by elemag on Jan 25, 2012 7:32:35 GMT -5
You have more than 6000 posts, most of them bearing the idea that ancient Greeks and Bosnian Serbs are the same people. Do you really need to post that much in order to show your lunacy?
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Jan 25, 2012 11:05:13 GMT -5
You have more than 6000 posts, most of them bearing the idea that ancient Greeks and Bosnian Serbs are the same people. Do you really need to post that much in order to show your lunacy?
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ivo
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Post by ivo on Jan 25, 2012 13:39:17 GMT -5
Gyroo, I've told you and your intellectually challenged friend many times before. If you want to have a proper debate on the topic of Macedonia and it's identity I'll be more than happy to oblige. This goes for anyone here on the forum.
But alas, how can one hope for a proper debate when both you and Pazar quote sources that you don't read. And it is your own sources that prove you wrong.
You in particular were promoting the author Sir Steven Runciman to Ulf. You were telling him how good of an author he was, how much you agreed with his views, and that he is a credible source. I happen to agree with you here, Sir Steven Runciman is a great author.. he knows his stuff.
When I provided quotes Runciman's book 'A History of The First Bulgarian Empire', you came at me with personal remarks and insults simply because it just so happens that his findings prove everything you say about Macedonia as inaccurate.
I've told you before, you can call me whatever you want. What I'm is of no importance. The important thing for you, and all Serbs, is to remember that Serbia has no rightful claims to Macedonia, its history, or its people.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Jan 25, 2012 14:47:03 GMT -5
You have failed royally playing the "intellectual-scholar" game before, so pls.... You can enjoy the general tolerance against trolls in the forums, but you cannot ask for more... It has nothing to do with makedonia, or bulgaria, or serbia. really.
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Post by ivo on Jan 25, 2012 16:26:50 GMT -5
I'm neither an intellectual nor a scholar, nor have I ever claimed to be.. nor have I ever wanted for anyone to perceive me as such.
What I'm, however, is fully informed on Macedonia's history and the historic identity of its people. And there's not but a single instance throughout history where the overall inhabitants of Macedonia identified as Serbs.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Jan 27, 2012 18:05:02 GMT -5
"Is this the same Vosnjak who was a Yugoslav politician? You really should reference your sources properly."
As a matter of FACT he was also a LEGAL HISTORIAN, unlike your peasant pseudo historians from BuLgarska. A fraud like Verkovic is seen by BuLgari as a shining light in BuLgarsko history, he worked for the Yugoslav government *according to Ruseche (elemag)* but later in life admitted his STORIES of these asian BuLgari as FANTASIES whom he quoted from an old BuLgarin man. tsk tsk tsk.
Prior to the Ottomans, Serbian rule over Macedonia lasted for only 22 years; during the Serbian Empire. As for the rest of what you wrote, you're confusing "Serbian rule" with " Serbian presence ". There was a Serb presence in Macedonia for a lot longer than 22 years, however, it has always been an isolated minority.
However you may interpret it, Serbs were LONGER in the region than your asian BuLgari. If we add in the reign of Sultana Marija then it could account for upto 170 years. Sure, this isolated tiny minority must have been genetically advanced than the surrounding majority of *supposedly BuLgari* for it to have been chosen to be settled it Asia Minor, not once, but even 10 times, left a legacy to Bulgars for them to be naming their sons SRBIN, naming towns after these superior men, having customs in the exact same fashion as these superheros, the list goes on.....
What legacy did the BuLgari leave behind?......to be ashamed to be called an east asian mongol Bulgarian?
The rest of your reply was just utter nonsense designed to create a spin or an illusion.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Jan 27, 2012 18:09:54 GMT -5
"You have failed royally playing the "intellectual-scholar" game before, so pls.... You can enjoy the general tolerance against trolls in the forums, but you cannot ask for more... It has nothing to do with makedonia, or bulgaria, or serbia. really."
There is nothing they can source or show me because l have crushing answers everytime. What l get is a side show of lunacy from the three BuLgari amigoes
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Jan 28, 2012 0:51:07 GMT -5
Prior to the Ottomans, Serbian rule over Macedonia lasted for only 22 years; during the Serbian Empire. As for the rest of what you wrote, you're confusing "Serbian rule" with " Serbian presence ". There was a Serb presence in Macedonia for a lot longer than 22 years, however, it has always been an isolated minority. I cannot see how Serbs in macedonia can be considered negligible, when further south in central Greece the greatest ecclesiastic/cultural monuments were of Serbian funding/design/construction/origin. Some bulgaros need a reality check.
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ivo
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Post by ivo on Jan 28, 2012 6:20:37 GMT -5
Ahh what a surprise, I was right yet again.. he was a Yugoslav politician.
If you haven't noticed I avoid Bulgarian sources.
The greatest of all Macedonian patriotic organizations for one; celebrated to this day.. the IMRO.
Pre-propaganda Serbia attested to the Bulgarian identity of Macedonia. Learn your own history.
As for the rest, well.. representing your country is a noble thing to do. Concealing the truth, however, is not. Alas, you're too dumb to realize that your posts have no credibility.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Jan 29, 2012 7:32:07 GMT -5
"Some bulgaros need a reality check."
Brate, l couldn't a$$ed reading Ivo's latest post, l'm sure there is more twisting lunacy. BuLgari need to redo their entire constructed history, its too fantasy ridden.
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ioan
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Post by ioan on Jan 29, 2012 8:41:03 GMT -5
yes Ivo you are right, there were some noble Serbs that opposed the serbanization of Macedonia which they saw as an attack towards their eastern brotherly neighbour... However the velikoserbian propagandists won over and crushed the closness with the Bulgarians by trying to steal Bulgarian populated territories. So sad. I m talking about real Serbs here so Novi is excluded by definition.
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Post by ivo on Jan 29, 2012 18:00:53 GMT -5
Ioan, when Serbia mobilized its army for the Serbo-Bulgarian war, the common Serb soldiers were told that they were going to Bulgaria to fight Turks. When the orders were given to attack Bulgarians, it came as a shock as the army itself was deceived by its officials. This in turn lead to low morale on the Serbian side, which was one of the contributing factors to their defeat.
In the following years, Serbia's government started producing extensive propaganda materials that painted Macedonia as "Southern Serbia" and the Macedono-Bulgarians as "Southern Serbs".
Today there are still some who cling on to that age old Serbian propaganda. Thankfully, it holds no credibility outside of Serbia. If anyone dares express the views of Pazar in any sort of academic setting, he will most definitely be ridiculed for his utter ignorance.
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Post by ioan on Jan 30, 2012 4:22:06 GMT -5
Yes I ve heard this about the Serbian army many times. Only small correction: If anyone dares express the views of Pazar in ANY SETTING, he will most definitely be ridiculed for his utter ignorance.
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ivo
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Post by ivo on Jan 30, 2012 10:20:59 GMT -5
Yeah, Pazar is pretty dumb.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Feb 8, 2012 6:35:51 GMT -5
^ Get lost and celebrate the year of the chinese pig like Mihalov.
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