Kralj Vatra
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Jan 8, 2012 14:07:58 GMT -5
Pyrro avoids the truth in every way possible are you implying i am a bulgarian?
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Jan 8, 2012 14:09:31 GMT -5
Are you guys that stupid!? He said Marko was sometimes referred to as a "Bulgarian king" in history because he ruled over Bulgarians, he never said Marko was a Bulgarian king. If you have a problem, take it up with historians and historical figures. come on guys, it is evident that the mongols here try to downgrade the fact that the most worshiped medieval heroes of the Bulgarians were Serbs. As far as distorting truth goes, the bulgarians here are the absolute Champs. In fact i wander why Novi still bothers.
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Post by elemag on Jan 8, 2012 16:28:47 GMT -5
God forbid. You are Greek Albanian who is in the process of self-serbianizing.
Not most. All. Hell, even our khans were Serbs.
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Post by Moe Lester on Jan 8, 2012 19:39:33 GMT -5
come on guys, it is evident that the mongols here try to downgrade the fact that the most worshiped medieval heroes of the Bulgarians were Serbs. As far as distorting truth goes, the bulgarians here are the absolute Champs. In fact i wander why Novi still bothers. What the hell are you reading? They weren't talking about that. Iaoan said that Marko was called a "Bulgarian King" by Venetian and Western sources. Novi contested that and asked for proof, Ioan showed it and now you two (Novi, Pyrros) are saying Ioan said Marko was ethnically Bulgarian, when in fact Ioan clearly stated that Marko was a Serb. Stop arguing about whether he was ethnically Bulgarian or Serbian, because everyone here says he's Serbian.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Jan 8, 2012 21:59:00 GMT -5
"the fact that some macedonian bulgarians named their children with the male name sOrbin doesnt mean they are Serbs. You should study ELEMENTARY logic."
Why wouldn't they be SERBS, Jovane? Its obvious if someone is a sOrbin they are Serbs, simple logic, no, Bulgars don't even know what logic is, right. Take this Vardarian source Jovane:
Vilayet of Veles, village of Jabolchiste:
„Novak Burhanin,; Tome Belche, Bogche, Todor, son of Belche; Hrchko, brother of Pecko; Pejo, son of Danche, Vlkashin, Srbin; Gjurash, Srbin, Rade Stari; Dojchin, his son; Gjorgjo, son of Rade; Rale Momchil; Hrlo, son of Dapko; Brajko, son of Kovach; Ivan; Stale,son of Stojan; Rale, son of Stojan; Stepan, Srbin; Dabe; Pejchin, son of Rade...â€
(Turski dokumenti za istorijata na makedonskiot narod, Skopje, 1971, str 143)
village of Dobrushevo, Vilayet of Prilep:
„Bogdan Srbin; Marko, his son, Dimitri son of Gruban...Dimitri son of Srbin; Todor son of Srbin, Pejo son of Rajcho...
(Turski dokumenti za istorijata na makedonskiot narod, Skopje, 1971, str 60)
village of Sopotnica, northwest from Krushevo:
â€Ivanish Stale; Stanisha Mano; Petko, Srbin; Petar, Srbin; Stajko Srbin...„
(Turski dokumenti za istorijata na makedonskiot narod, Skopje, 1971, str 540)
village of Divjaci, northwest od Krushevo:
â€Jandro, Srbin; Miho son of Srbin; Dimitri son of Srbin, Petko son of the priest...„
(Turski dokumenti za istorijata na makedonskiot narod, Skopje, 1971, str 541)
village of Volkoselo, nahiya of Prilep;
â€Bogavec, Srbin; Stanisha son in law of Bogdan...Stanisha, Srbin; Pejo, son of Tonchin...„
(Turski dokumenti za istorijata na makedonskiot narod, Skopje, 1971, str 95)
So what is the conclusion l'm making Jovane? Was king Marko a Serb ruling over SERBS?
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Post by Novi Pazar on Jan 8, 2012 22:13:04 GMT -5
"What the hell are you reading? They weren't talking about that. Iaoan said that Marko was called a "Bulgarian King" by Venetian and Western sources. Novi contested that and asked for proof, Ioan showed it and now you two (Novi, Pyrros) are saying Ioan said Marko was ethnically Bulgarian, when in fact Ioan clearly stated that Marko was a Serb. Stop arguing about whether he was ethnically Bulgarian or Serbian, because everyone here says he's Serbian."
Ioan is telling us, yes l admit after 5 long years that Marko is a Serb who ruled over Bulgarians (Vardarians). I'm telling him that is again false because these supposedly Bulgarians were naming their male children SRBIN, not BuLgarin. See where l'm getting at Moe?
Jovane (Ioan) tells me something about logic? O.k, the mainstream theory from the Bulgars is, the Serbs ONLY existed in the Vrantanica region of far North-Western Vardar and never ruled over these Bulgarians for more than 20 years, while they ruled over them for 500 years. Try and use your brain for a minute Moe and think, why even after 500 years rule of Bulgars over Bulgars that these Vardarian Bulgars have pure Serbian traditions (Slava or play Gusle) and name their male children after their enemies nation Serbia, doesn't it sound odd to you at all, seriously?
PS That Venetian source is wrong, hence why l'm showing what l'm showing here.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Jan 8, 2012 22:17:08 GMT -5
"As far as distorting truth goes, the bulgarians here are the absolute Champs. In fact i wander why Novi still bothers."
Pyrro brate, the Bulgars are THE BEST AT PROPAGANDA, the US should hire Bulgars to be in their media. Your right man, the Bulgars here arn't the challenge anymore, they've failed everytime, just like Ruseche's Khan Kuber, destroyed by King Pyrro ;D
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Post by Moe Lester on Jan 8, 2012 23:12:36 GMT -5
Jovane (Ioan) tells me something about logic? O.k, the mainstream theory from the Bulgars is, the Serbs ONLY existed in the Vrantanica region of far North-Western Vardar and never ruled over these Bulgarians for more than 20 years, while they ruled over them for 500 years. Try and use your brain for a minute Moe and think, why even after 500 years rule of Bulgars over Bulgars that these Vardarian Bulgars have pure Serbian traditions (Slava or play Gusle) and name their male children after their enemies nation Serbia, doesn't it sound odd to you at all, seriously? They also use Bulgarian names (Dimitar, Grigorij, Evgenij, Kiril, Mihail). And have you seen their national costume? Now look at the Bulgarian one: And now the Serbian one: Do you see a similarity between the Bulgarian and Macedonian national costumes? It's called Bulgarian influence. That's what happens with neighbouring countries, just like Slava and the names. Understand now? Macedonians celebrating Slava doesn't make them Serbs, and having Bulgarian names doesn't make them Bulgarian. It's like saying Serbs are Greek because they have names like Dmitrije, Nikola, Aleksandr, etc.
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Post by Sokol on Jan 8, 2012 23:30:27 GMT -5
Jovane (Ioan) tells me something about logic? O.k, the mainstream theory from the Bulgars is, the Serbs ONLY existed in the Vrantanica region of far North-Western Vardar and never ruled over these Bulgarians for more than 20 years, while they ruled over them for 500 years. Try and use your brain for a minute Moe and think, why even after 500 years rule of Bulgars over Bulgars that these Vardarian Bulgars have pure Serbian traditions (Slava or play Gusle) and name their male children after their enemies nation Serbia, doesn't it sound odd to you at all, seriously? They also use Bulgarian names (Dimitar, Grigorij, Evgenij, Kiril, Mihail). And have you seen their national costume? Now look at the Bulgarian one: And now the Serbian one: Do you see a similarity between the Bulgarian and Macedonian national costumes? It's called Bulgarian influence. That's what happens with neighbouring countries, just like Slava and the names. Understand now? Macedonians celebrating Slava doesn't make them Serbs, and having Bulgarian names doesn't make them Bulgarian. It's like saying Serbs are Greek because they have names like Dmitrije, Nikola, Aleksandr, etc. +1 Mersi
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Post by srbobran on Jan 8, 2012 23:37:55 GMT -5
Moe I agree (partially) with the point you are trying to make but Serbia (and probably Macedonia and Bulgaria for that matter) doesn't have one official national costume, but rather several regional ones.
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Post by Sokol on Jan 8, 2012 23:51:08 GMT -5
"What the hell are you reading? They weren't talking about that. Iaoan said that Marko was called a "Bulgarian King" by Venetian and Western sources. Novi contested that and asked for proof, Ioan showed it and now you two (Novi, Pyrros) are saying Ioan said Marko was ethnically Bulgarian, when in fact Ioan clearly stated that Marko was a Serb. Stop arguing about whether he was ethnically Bulgarian or Serbian, because everyone here says he's Serbian." Ioan is telling us, yes l admit after 5 long years that Marko is a Serb who ruled over Bulgarians (Vardarians). I'm telling him that is again false because these supposedly Bulgarians were naming their male children SRBIN, not Bu Lgarin. See where l'm getting at Moe? Jovane (Ioan) tells me something about logic? O.k, the mainstream theory from the Bulgars is, the Serbs ONLY existed in the Vrantanica region of far North-Western Vardar and never ruled over these Bulgarians for more than 20 years, while they ruled over them for 500 years. Try and use your brain for a minute Moe and think, why even after 500 years rule of Bulgars over Bulgars that these Vardarian Bulgars have pure Serbian traditions (Slava or play Gusle) and name their male children after their enemies nation Serbia, doesn't it sound odd to you at all, seriously? PS That Venetian source is wrong, hence why l'm showing what l'm showing here. Novi, now you're clutching at straws. The gusle is not used in Macedonia. Maybe the minority Serbs use it in Northern Macedonia, but that's it. I believe however, the Albanians use this instrument....
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Post by Novi Pazar on Jan 9, 2012 0:47:42 GMT -5
"They also use Bulgarian names (Dimitar, Grigorij, Evgenij, Kiril, Mihail). And have you seen their national costume?"
Moe, l don't understand why you believe its necessary to counter everything Serbian? Your always going to make yourself look like an goof.
Let me tell you, l'm getting to the point, the people from FYROM were naming THEIR MALE CHILDREN with the name SRBIN (SERBIAN), not Branislav, Branilo, Mile, Borko etc....but SRBIN and not BULGARIN.....WHY? Because they ARE SERBS BY NATIONALITY. I knew a french person years ago by the name FRANCE, do you think a Mongolian would name his son FRANCE? Get my point Moe?
"Do you see a similarity between the Bulgarian and Macedonian national costumes? It's called Bulgarian influence. That's what happens with neighbouring countries, just like Slava and the names. Understand now? Macedonians celebrating Slava doesn't make them Serbs, and having Bulgarian names doesn't make them Bulgarian. It's like saying Serbs are Greek because they have names like Dmitrije, Nikola, Aleksandr, etc."
Why don't you post a Kosovan Serb costume or a Montenegrin Serb costume or even Serb costumes from Dalmatia/Bosnia or even Vojvodina, you goof, and compare.
Again, with the names, do we serbs name our male children ellines?
PS I've made mention that the Serbian tribes from the mountainous regions of Montenegro, Kosovo, Vardar and the once slavs from Albania shared the same culture with each other. Do the Turko-Slavic Bulgars have the SERBIAN GUSLE.....FUK.....even the Slavs of Northern Greece played it as well, opa ;D
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Post by ulf on Jan 9, 2012 0:55:09 GMT -5
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Post by ulf on Jan 9, 2012 0:56:40 GMT -5
Anyway the point is those Bulgarians and Bulgarophils escaped from the region after that
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Post by Novi Pazar on Jan 9, 2012 0:59:09 GMT -5
"Novi, now you're clutching at straws. The gusle is not used in Macedonia. Maybe the minority Serbs use it in Northern Macedonia, but that's it. I believe however, the Albanians use this instrument...." Remember Chento how you shiftly lied to people here by omitting the word SERVIAN from your source you posted once about the past Serbian Slava from Northern Greece, l really had let that slide from you, but your pushing my bottons like the dumb Bu Lgari here. The site you quoted from: A green glade, that ran up to the foot of the hill, was covered with the preparations for the approaching festivities. Wood was splitting, fires lighting, fifty or sixty sheep were spitted, pyramids of bread... In the evening we went out, and the countless fires, lighting up the lofty oaks, had a most pleasing effect. The sheep were by this time cut up and lying in fragments, around which the supper parties were seated cross-legged. Other peasants danced slowly, in a circle, to the drone of the somniferous Servian bagpipe. What does "to the drone of the somniferous Servian bagpipe" mean, Chento? Is it the GUSLE, at all? View here readers: joancarolfriedberg.com/iofapaper2.htmlPS Its not clutching straws Chento, its being honest and debunking stupid myths that were written by Russians/Turks/English from the late 19th century, understand. I loathe liars, l take pride in exposing garbage, hence why l'm hated by Bu Lgari here.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Jan 9, 2012 1:02:51 GMT -5
"Anyway the point is those Bulgarians and Bulgarophils escaped from the region after that" Remember Ulf, NONE of those people were ever Bulgars, they were Bulgarianised Serbs. One other thing Ruseche (elemag) once said to me that there is no such thing as Tikvesh, he thought l was spinning serbian propaganda, but l was taking about the old Serbian tribe called the Tikveshi from Vardar PS When the BuLgari ever talk about tribes they call them by Greek names like Dragoviti, WHY, because their old slavic name was DRAGO VICHI
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Post by ulf on Jan 9, 2012 1:06:02 GMT -5
"Anyway the point is those Bulgarians and Bulgarophils escaped from the region after that" Remember Ulf, NONE of those people were ever Bulgars, they were Bulgarianised Serbs. Its irrelevant, they felt like Bulgarians
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Post by Novi Pazar on Jan 9, 2012 1:07:54 GMT -5
^ O.k Ulf, DO YOU UNDERSTAND MY DRIFT AT ALL?
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Post by ulf on Jan 9, 2012 1:13:03 GMT -5
^ O.k Ulf, DO YOU UNDERSTAND MY DRIFT AT ALL? Yes, understood. Trick is I don't believe they were Serbs or Bulgarians at all. I am talking about Dragovichi and Berziti
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Post by Novi Pazar on Jan 9, 2012 1:20:12 GMT -5
^ Fine, thats your opinion, my opinion is THEY are Serbs or were Serbs. Just one example above of how they were naming their male children SRBIN, constitutes differentiation from Serbs and Bulgarians, in your opinion? Anyway, l have made my point in this thread. Just to add about Dragovichi, Velegostichi etc....yes, your right, these tribes weren't serbs nor bulgars originally, just common slavs, however serbs settle amoungst these tribes and they became serbs .....just like the Branicevichi or Moravljani in modern serbia today
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