elemag
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Post by elemag on Jan 9, 2012 14:35:41 GMT -5
Sure as hell they weren't. About 1/3 of them were Poles, about 1/4 were Belorussians, and the rest were a mixture between Czechs and Slovaks who later became the example for forming Czechoslovakia. Which brings me to the thought why there are so many famous Bulgarians whose origin is from Macedonia, despite the obvious fact, as Ulf generously pointed out, that there were no Bulgarians whatsoever there? Why also there isn't a single Serbian great person who is from Macedonia provided that the number of Serbs was equal to the number of sausages in entire Macedonia?
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Post by ioan on Jan 9, 2012 15:14:15 GMT -5
hahaha, fun apart,Ruse is bringing up interesting question: there are no great Serbs that come from Macedonia. On the other hand there are alot of Bulgarian heroes who are from Macedonia... Actually all the national Macedonian heroes identified as Bulgarians.
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Post by ioan on Jan 9, 2012 15:26:21 GMT -5
Also: none of the Serbian rulers of Macedonia is claimed as Macedonian, but all Bulgarian are.
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Post by punisher on Jan 9, 2012 15:48:01 GMT -5
novi come back to mitrovica to vote for the referendum,atleast if you're sure you're going to understand what's written on the paper
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Post by ulf on Jan 9, 2012 15:53:24 GMT -5
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elemag
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Post by elemag on Jan 9, 2012 17:37:57 GMT -5
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Post by ulf on Jan 9, 2012 18:22:35 GMT -5
elemag you can speak whatever you want to but Bulgarian occupation of Macedonia was long lasting and after this man en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sviatoslav_I_of_Kiev destroyed Bulgarians it virtually ended everything Bulgarian in Macedonia. Furthermore as you can see what Bulgarians prior to Serbian liberation of Ottoman Macedonia. A part of Jovan Stojkovic biography, a Serb Cetnik from Macedonia: "Otac ga je upisao u, tada jedinu, bugarsku osnovnu skolu u Velesu. Ucitelj ga je odmah prekrstio u Bugarina i upisao pod imenom Ivan Stojkov." Needless to speak further these people there never got a chance to choose. They were Bulgarianized by then(or the big part of them), that's if they wanted to have some education. If you take a look most of those Bulgarian revolutionaries are just brainwashed peasants. Plus Russia and Habsburgs gave it a go to the Bulgarians because they got a mutual deal - Bulgaria + Macedonia go under Russian Empire; Serbia, Montenegro, Bosnia - Habsburg Empire. Albania would've been split to two as they were never perceived as one ethnic group by any European leader, but rather few. The revolutionary I gave you was born in 18th century and there were more Serbian revolutionaries from Macedonia born in this period, while every single one of yours is born after 2nd Serbian Uprising, that's exactly the period when Ottomans gave liberty to your people(the Bulgarians) to do whatever they want to Slavic population in Macedonia
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Post by Sokol on Jan 9, 2012 18:32:52 GMT -5
"Novi, now you're clutching at straws. The gusle is not used in Macedonia. Maybe the minority Serbs use it in Northern Macedonia, but that's it. I believe however, the Albanians use this instrument...." Remember Chento how you shiftly lied to people here by omitting the word SERVIAN from your source you posted once about the past Serbian Slava from Northern Greece, l really had let that slide from you, but your pushing my bottons like the dumb Bu Lgari here. The site you quoted from: A green glade, that ran up to the foot of the hill, was covered with the preparations for the approaching festivities. Wood was splitting, fires lighting, fifty or sixty sheep were spitted, pyramids of bread... In the evening we went out, and the countless fires, lighting up the lofty oaks, had a most pleasing effect. The sheep were by this time cut up and lying in fragments, around which the supper parties were seated cross-legged. Other peasants danced slowly, in a circle, to the drone of the somniferous Servian bagpipe. What does "to the drone of the somniferous Servian bagpipe" mean, Chento? Is it the GUSLE, at all? View here readers: joancarolfriedberg.com/iofapaper2.htmlPS Its not clutching straws Chento, its being honest and debunking stupid myths that were written by Russians/Turks/English from the late 19th century, understand. I loathe liars, l take pride in exposing garbage, hence why l'm hated by Bu Lgari here. somniferous Servian bagpipethis refers to the gaida, and not gusle....like i said, gusle is not used by ethnic Macedonians
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Post by Novi Pazar on Jan 9, 2012 21:55:31 GMT -5
^ ah, fuk Chento whatever you want to believe, at the end of the day it says SERVIAN BAGPIPE, get it, not Bulgarian or Vardarian, but SERVIAN.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Jan 9, 2012 21:59:15 GMT -5
"There are also people called Paris, London, Virginia, Sydney, Brooklyn, Dakota, Phoenix, Orlando, Chad and Indianna. Does this mean these people com form those places? It's just a name, surnames on the other hand could be a sign of where someone comes from. Maybe surnames like Milosevski could indicate Serbian origin in a Macedonian, but not always the case."
Moe give it up buddy, now your kicking a dead horse. Your entering into a never ending vortex which Bulgarians and Albanians like to suck you into.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Jan 9, 2012 22:01:03 GMT -5
"hahaha, fun apart,Ruse is bringing up interesting question: there are no great Serbs that come from Macedonia. On the other hand there are alot of Bulgarian heroes who are from Macedonia... Actually all the national Macedonian heroes identified as Bulgarians."
What great question, Jovane? Remember there is nothing Bulgarian in Vardar prior to the establishment of the EXARCHOS.
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Post by Sokol on Jan 9, 2012 22:07:11 GMT -5
"There are also people called Paris, London, Virginia, Sydney, Brooklyn, Dakota, Phoenix, Orlando, Chad and Indianna. Does this mean these people com form those places? It's just a name, surnames on the other hand could be a sign of where someone comes from. Maybe surnames like Milosevski could indicate Serbian origin in a Macedonian, but not always the case." Moe give it up buddy, now your kicking a dead horse. Your entering into a never ending vortex which Bulgarians and Albanians like to suck you into. No, Moe has a point. Using your logic, and Pyrros's methods, what do the following names tell you... www.facebook.com/family/Krumevski/1www.facebook.com/family/Assenovski/1au.linkedin.com/pub/branko-bugarski/6/308/585www.facebook.com/kuburovski
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Post by Novi Pazar on Jan 9, 2012 22:19:29 GMT -5
^ Buddy, we are talking about people being named after their nation, SERBIA. These names (Arsen, Krum etc..) are from the Bulgarianisation of Vardar in 1872 through to 1912, and these arn't nation names but individuals. What Moe talks about is the phenonemon of today that Anglo-Saxons naming their daughters CHINA or INDIA etc....
Vardarians were NEVER naming their sons BuLgarin, but ONLY SRBIN in old times. Why weren't they naming them, as per Moe's logic, Italian, France or Mongolian?
PS Moe doesn't have any point, he believes its necessary to counter everything (serbian) that is so blantanly obivious with stupid logic.
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Post by Sokol on Jan 9, 2012 22:28:04 GMT -5
^ Buddy, we are talking about people being named after their nation, SERBIA. These names (Arsen, Krum etc..) are from the Bulgarianisation of Vardar in 1872 through to 1912, and these arn't nation names but individuals. What Moe talks about is the phenonemon of today that Anglo-Saxons naming their daughters CHINA or INDIA etc.... Vardarians were NEVER naming their sons Bu Lgarin, but ONLY SRBIN in old times. Why weren't they naming them, as per Moe's logic, Italian, France or Mongolian? PS Moe doesn't have any point, he believes its necessary to counter everything (serbian) that is so blantanly obivious with stupid logic. One of the names above is Branko Bugarski. I also know a Macedonian with the same surname. Remember, with Macedonian surnames, the first part is usually an ancestors first name. For example, my surname's first part is my great-great-great grandfather's name. So Krume, Assen, Kubur, Bugar etc. were first names of these people's ancestors at some point. Again, the point is that names do not indicate ethnicity. I'm sure Macedonians named their kids Srbin, but also, Milos, Dusan, Srdjan etc. as it was fashionable at the time. Much like English names such as Jecinta, Tamara, James etc. are becoming popular in Macedonia today.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Jan 9, 2012 22:43:35 GMT -5
^ Geez, how did l know that you will post the surname Bugarin ;D Chento, FIND ME THE NAME Bu Lgarin, Bugarin is the Serbian pronouncination of the Bulgarian Bu Lgarin. Learn and read again: Chento, Vatroslav Oblak basically says that in the Vardarian/Fyromian/Macedonian and West Bugarski dialects the vocalic L is replaced by U, particulary in those areas where Bu Lgarski comes into contact with Serbian, while the same phenomenon cannot be found in the east and south of the areas over which BuLgarski is spoken. Both by its geographic extent and by its spordic appearances, this U shows that we are here concerned with SERBIANISMS. Indeed, in almost all dialects characteristed by U instead of L, we find other traces of Serbian influence, as, for example, U for A. Particular mention should be made of the name Bu Lgarin with all its variations, which one finds throughout almost the whole of Macedonia (except, perhaps, some southern and southeastern districts) in the form BUGARIN. The Slavo-Turks have retained this L vocalic in their language, the ONLY so called Slav nation to do so. Anyway, this name Bugarin is the Serbian version of BuLgarin nice try Chento LMAO
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Post by Moe Lester on Jan 9, 2012 23:38:51 GMT -5
Moe give it up buddy, now your kicking a dead horse. Your entering into a never ending vortex which Bulgarians and Albanians like to suck you into. Someone's scared of a little logic and rational. ;D PS Moe doesn't have any point, he believes its necessary to counter everything (serbian) that is so blantanly obivious with stupid logic. The reason you see it like that is because I know about Serbia the most out of all the South Slavic countries, so If a Serbian says some bullshit, I can recognise it, whereas with Albanians and Macedonians and Greeks, I don't know whether they're telling the truth or their 'rivals' still aren't over some hundred year old feud. I know when a person is talking bullshit about Serbia and Serbian history. The Slavo-Turks have retained this L vocalic in their language, the ONLY so called Slav nation to do so. Are you freaking kidding me? We've been over this before, Serbo-Croatian is the only Slavic language that doesn't have the L. In this case, Serbo-Croatian is the odd one out. Anyway, this name Bugarin is the Serbian version of BuLgarin nice try Chento LMAO Ever heard of Serbianisation? It's easy to do when an ethnicity is trying to create a modern identity (Macedonians).
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Post by Novi Pazar on Jan 10, 2012 0:13:00 GMT -5
"The reason you see it like that is because I know about Serbia the most out of all the South Slavic countries, so If a Serbian says some bulls**t, I can recognise it, whereas with Albanians and Macedonians and Greeks, I don't know whether they're telling the truth or their 'rivals' still aren't over some hundred year old feud. I know when a person is talking bulls**t about Serbia and Serbian history." I give you SOURCES you give me your own feelings and perceptions, this is the DIFFERENCE MOE. You know your the one BS'ing here, l remember at the very beginning you telling us of your Croat friends in Sydney, then later saying l have only one Yugoslav friend and his Serbian. People don't forget in this forum. "Are you freaking kidding me? We've been over this before, Serbo-Croatian is the only Slavic language that doesn't have the L. In this case, Serbo-Croatian is the odd one out." ARE YOU KIDDING ME? Fuk Moe, OPEN YOUR EYES AND LOOK AROUND SERBIA YOU FREAKEN GOOF A Source from Novi (l thank Krivo this one actually): The Bulgars originally spoke a Turkic language (although some scholars consider Bulgarian to be a related but seperate Altaic language family). Some of those Turkic tribes, or clan unions, who, intermingled with the Huns, were known as Bulgars, and were Ogurs of the Northwestern (Kyipchak) language group, sometimes called Ogur Turks, the Kutigurs, Onogurs, and Utigurs with varying names with oguri or orgurs or igurs as a suffix, meaning "tribes of". Some groups of Bulgars adopted the languages of other peoples; those who settled in present-day Bulgaria SPOKE A VARIATION OF SLAVIC WITH TURKIC INFLUENCE
books.google.com/books?id=kfv6HKX....anguage&f=false
This what Novi does he speaks with truth, not with feelings or perceptions, understand Moe?
"Ever heard of Serbianisation? It's easy to do when an ethnicity is trying to create a modern identity (Macedonians)."
Listen you Goof, and listen where-ever sound waves may enter your soul (anus, mouth, ears, dik etc....). WHEN THE VARDARIAN SERBS WERE NAMING THEIR SONS SRBIN, THEY WERE DOING SO DURING THE OTTOMAN EMPIRE, AND NOT DURING TITO'S YUGOSLAVIA NOR THE BULGARIAN EXARCHOS, get it??
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Post by ioan on Jan 10, 2012 0:28:55 GMT -5
Uou Novi is using his caps to become more frightening and to be taken seriously. Never gonna happen, because he is an absolutely rediculous person who is devoit of any logic. What we are witnessing here is the grand rape he is experiencing by Moe and Chento!
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Post by Novi Pazar on Jan 10, 2012 0:41:41 GMT -5
^ Jovane, please counter this quote from a SOURCE and then we will speak about everything else, hej Bu Lgarin: "The Bulgars originally spoke a Turkic language (although some scholars consider Bulgarian to be a related but seperate Altaic language family). Some of those Turkic tribes, or clan unions, who, intermingled with the Huns, were known as Bulgars, and were Ogurs of the Northwestern (Kyipchak) language group, sometimes called Ogur Turks, the Kutigurs, Onogurs, and Utigurs with varying names with oguri or orgurs or igurs as a suffix, meaning "tribes of". Some groups of Bulgars adopted the languages of other peoples; those who settled in present-day Bulgaria SPOKE A VARIATION OF SLAVIC WITH TURKIC INFLUENCE" books.google.com/books?id=kfv6HKX....anguage&f=false
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Post by ioan on Jan 10, 2012 1:19:22 GMT -5
you were countered countless times yet you dont care. It was proven to you that only Serbian lacks L in the word Bulgarian, all the other SLAVIC languages use L. Yet you post non stop that L is a proof of Turkic influence. Yet all the slavic languages use L minus the Serbs. For me that is the biggest hipocrisy I ve ever witnessed.
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