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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2012 8:39:42 GMT -5
to crush FYROM You have to realize that FYROM, Romania and Turkey all want a piece of Bulgaria Start defending yourselves NOW!!! Albania and Bulgaria have two common enemies: Serbia and FYROM Greece and Bulgaria have two common enemies too: Turkey and FYROM Hungary and Bulgaria have two common enemies: Serbia and Romania
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Post by albascorp on Jun 20, 2012 13:17:10 GMT -5
we dont have enemys
we just want our rights on our places
say no to discrimination whereever you from
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Post by ioan on Jun 20, 2012 13:45:44 GMT -5
I dont think that alot of Bulgarians think of FYROM as an enemy: rather as a brainwashed, little crazy small brother. Bulgarians dont see any reason to fight against FYROM, actually most would fight for it especially if there werent that much hate from their side. The Serbs are neigbours that f**ked up alot in the past, taking our lands (Macedonia, Western Outlands), but in the end they are our cousins: we are probably mostly closely related to them than to any of our neighbours. Last, I dont think there are negative feelings in Bulgaria towards Greeks or Romanians: rather the contrary - we see them as people fighting for a common cause: EU. I ve been to Greece and Romania: there are positive feelings on both sides as far as I m concerned.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Jun 25, 2012 6:43:18 GMT -5
I agree Ioan, but just reading FYROMian news, or listening to them it gets so confusing... Grammar and many words are 100% bulgarian, but many letters, sounds, mannerisms (a... ovaj.... a classic one), is 100% just like Serbia-Bosnia-HR.... Hard to tell... IMO they are the slavs who didn;t want to be this or that... just let them be...
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Post by ioan on Jun 25, 2012 9:06:37 GMT -5
Pyrro, the Serbian influence is rather recent: the Macedonians are recorded as Bulgarians throughout their history up till 1945. Today the Macedonians are left alone. As you probably know from your stay in Bulgaria Macedonia is deffinately not a prority for us. However we would oppose to any falsification of our (common till 1945) history.
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Post by ivo on Jun 25, 2012 10:23:34 GMT -5
The average Bulgarian does not consider any country as an 'enemy'; not even those with whom we've had historical beef.
Today Bulgaria is a weak demoralized country that is slowly becoming engulfed in a modern form of 'enslavement' and people are not even realizing that they're slowly relinquishing the independence of generations to come.
The true "enemies" of Bulgaria at this point are within Bulgaria itself.
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Post by albascorp on Jun 25, 2012 11:04:56 GMT -5
maybe you right
bulgaria is serbian
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Jun 26, 2012 2:12:12 GMT -5
Pyrro, the Serbian influence is rather recent: the Macedonians are recorded as Bulgarians throughout their history up till 1945. Today the Macedonians are left alone. As you probably know from your stay in Bulgaria Macedonia is deffinately not a prority for us. However we would oppose to any falsification of our (common till 1945) history. i don;t know man, i have heard some bulgarians (i can give you names) that claimed that makedonians as far as characters and looks are concerned are closer to Serbs. Also a makedonian waiter in the pizza restaurant in Vitosha ulica, told me that there are differences between makedonia/bulgaria. This guy was so obsessed with yugoslav politics he had a conversation with my wife over 30 mins... point is, both maks and serbs like Bulgaria, but deep inside i think mak's hearts are still in yugoslavia.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Jun 26, 2012 3:31:09 GMT -5
"The Serbs are neigbours that f**ked up alot in the past, taking our lands (Macedonia, Western Outlands), but in the end they are our cousins: we are probably mostly closely related to them than to any of our neighbours." Lets not blame Serbia for your actions dear Bu Lgarin, Serbs were a majority of western bugarska, keep in your warped little mongol brain that Serb kings were buried amoungst its OWN people in western bugarska. Vardarians are Serbs and are authentic Serbs from the 6th century, Serbian toponymns are found extensively throughout Fyrom, their culture is pure Serbian and only Serbian, Serbian monastries (in fyrom) were built by Serbs...WHY...because they are Serbs. PS Genetically Vardarians are Serbs, not mongolians
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Jun 26, 2012 4:35:42 GMT -5
Brate neither Bulgars are mongolians, but i have two comments here : - Indeed a Serb King is buried in Sveta Nedelja church, and his bones were believed by the locals to bear miraculous therapeutic properties. - How can we explain the development of the Makedonian-Bulgarian grammar? Novi bro, Bulgarian grammar is like oranges and apples in relation to Serbian. I dont deny that there might be intermediate situations (like the dialect of south serbia - leskovac, vranje which is neither official serbian, but also lacks very standard and basic forms of Bulgarian-Makedonian). let me tell you, articles in bulgaria is like everywhere in most sentences (Kola->Kolata with the intonation in "la" and pronounced rather Koula'ta). Maks say "ko'lata", south serbs just say "kola" without any article. Anyway, when Ceca came to Sofia, i hoped that she would try to speak a little bit of "south" speech just to show familiarity to the Bulgarian audience, but she did not. She spoke standard beogradski all the time. (and of course the bulgarians understood every single word). Also, from my observations, Bulgarians have a tendency to understand Serbs more than Serbs understand Bulgarians. Also both Bulgarians think Serbian speech is funny, and the same holds for Serbs as well, when they hear "koulegite" (the kolegi), or "goudini" (godine) they feel to smile
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Post by ivo on Jun 26, 2012 13:34:54 GMT -5
You'd have more success in your posts if you try to do away with your personal biases and actually focus on objective materials.
When one seeks to find differences, one can find an abundance.. as I'm sure there are differences between Serbs in RS, Montenegrin Serbs, and those in Belgrade. And somehow the differences between Macedonians and Bulgarian only came about in recent times driven by political initiatives. Ultimately I believe that focusing on finding similarities is a far more constructive approach.
I've observed this as well. It holds true with Russians, Poles, and Ukranians. Somehow Bulgarians seem to understand them all with far less difficulty than they can understand us.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Jun 26, 2012 23:34:22 GMT -5
"You'd have more success in your posts if you try to do away with your personal biases and actually focus on objective materials."
We've already gone through them and YOUR biased, o.k, you never had the ability to DISPROVE them, so look at yourself before you speak.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Jun 27, 2012 1:53:02 GMT -5
"How can we explain the development of the Makedonian-Bulgarian grammar? Novi bro, Bulgarian grammar is like oranges and apples in relation to Serbian. I dont deny that there might be intermediate situations (like the dialect of south serbia - leskovac, vranje which is neither official serbian, but also lacks very standard and basic forms of Bulgarian-Makedonian)." Brate, do you remember what l spoke about * mutual linguistic modification*? I know its hard not to look past languages in its modern form and to compare them....you need to remember again that BALKAN SLAVIC did evolve from a father (proto-slavic). Historically, serbocroat/slovene was the exact same when these three tribes came into contact with previously settled slavs. Do you also remember that OASISES did SURVIVE in the southern balkans, a slavic dialect that RESEMBLED SLOVENIAN in its modern form? Which was not even Bulgarian grammar nor Serbian grammar! Point being brate, the SLAVS inhabiting Vardar and Bulgaria had SIMILAR pressures and SIMILAR influence on their languages because of their LOCATION, not because they are ONE nation. When you say their language is Bulgarian grammar, whos to say its Vardarian grammar....OR....their grammar is ROMANIAN, hence they are ROMANIAN people, NO, this is why using language to determine ones origin is WRONG, this is why l use Serbian history/migration because it tells the WHOLE story of the origins of the VARDARIAN SERBS. PS Brate, do you see how the west has completely turned the Serbian history about kosovo i metohija up-side-down and speak as if its ancient albanian terrority.....its the same method applied to the vardarian serbs of the 19th century.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Jun 27, 2012 2:57:55 GMT -5
^^^ I agree, as i told you, even Bulgarians regard Makedonians as "tall and tempered ppl" and you cannot become neither "tall" nor "tempered" just by having relations to Serbs. Bulgarians know that Makedonians is another ppl. The difference accent speaks tones as well.
Point is, that Serbs should start respecting Bulgarians, we must develop deep relations based on trust and healthy business spirit. Just like the west did..
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Post by Novi Pazar on Jun 27, 2012 3:13:40 GMT -5
^ Brate Pyrro, l want to respect these idiots, l try so hard, but everytime they let me and Serbia down, l've given up on these scumbags. How can we Serbs respect them when they have gone against us everytime, come on brate, do we have an Ataka (attack party) who calls out for death and destruction on Bulgaria. THE BUCK STOPS WITH THE BULGARS AND NOT SERBS, WE ARE NOT TO BOW DOWN TO THEM AND GET SMACKED ACROSS THE HEAD FOR SHOWING SOME EFFORT TO STRENGTHEN OUR RELATIONSHIP, THEY NEED TO COME TO US AND SHOW US RESPECT AND STOP PLAYING ON THIS GREATER BULGARIA GAME.
PS You watch how we and bulgars debate on the net. Serbs are compromising with them, whilst bulgars arn't and never giving in....so why should we, honestly. History and glory of Serbs is on my side and on serbia's side, why should a mestico mongol tell serbia what is what.
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Post by ioan on Jun 27, 2012 3:20:48 GMT -5
Pyrro, the fact that we regard Macedonians as tall and tempered people doesnt mean we see them as something else other than Bulgarians. I see the people from Gabrovo as stingy because thats the stereotype but do I view them as anything other than Bulgarian? No I dont. My personal view towards the Macedonians is the following: I view the Pirin Macedonians as Bulgarians and they view themselves as such. I view the Macedonians in Macedonia as people that TODAY are not Bulgarians due to political (Yugoslavian, Serbian) pressure to define themselves as Macedonians and I see them as another nation: Macedonians, which was formed out of Bulgarian people: thus Macedonian forefathers were Bulgarians.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Jun 27, 2012 5:22:10 GMT -5
^ Brate Pyrro, l want to respect these idiots, l try so hard, but everytime they let me and Serbia down, l've given up on these scumbags. How can we Serbs respect them when they have gone against us everytime, come on brate, do we have an Ataka (attack party) who calls out for death and destruction on Bulgaria. THE BUCK STOPS WITH THE BULGARS AND NOT SERBS, WE ARE NOT TO BOW DOWN TO THEM AND GET SMACKED ACROSS THE HEAD FOR SHOWING SOME EFFORT TO STRENGTHEN OUR RELATIONSHIP, THEY NEED TO COME TO US AND SHOW US RESPECT AND STOP PLAYING ON THIS GREATER BULGARIA GAME. PS You watch how we and bulgars debate on the net. Serbs are compromising with them, whilst bulgars arn't and never giving in....so why should we, honestly. History and glory of Serbs is on my side and on serbia's side, why should a mestico mongol tell serbia what is what. internet is a fokking virtual reality Novi bro. I WILL TELL YOU ONLY THIS AND NOTHING ELSE : - Serbian restaurants in Athens : 0 - Serbian restaurants in Sofia : 40 - Serbian products in Athens : 0 - Serbian products in Sofia : many (dodatak sa jelima, rakija, slive, etc...) - Serbian singer concerts in Athens : 0 - Serbian singer concerts in Sofia : many NOW KEEP YOUR SEAT......... - Massive pro-Serb support from Greeks in 1999 resulted in : nothing - Weak pro-Serb support from Bulgarians in 1999 resulted in : TWO FREAKING NATO BOMBS IN THE CENTER OF SOFIA The west has worked of the division of the slavs and also over-invested for friendships which mean nothing. Novi, politics apart, THEY ARE OUR TRUE BROTEHRS! THEY AND ALL THE SLAVIC NATIONS...
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Jun 27, 2012 5:23:24 GMT -5
And Novi bro, i will tell you this...
WE WILL LIVE TO SEE WHAT I MEAN, the events are running fast with Syria... just watch ...
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Post by Novi Pazar on Jun 27, 2012 22:59:58 GMT -5
Pyrro, l agree with man, but they are too caught up in Greater Bulgaria, nothing will happen UNTIL they end this fantasy. They trade with us, yes, because our foods are literally the same....Greeks arn't going to eat Ajvar, Greeks will trade products to nations who have similar tastes like Spain/Portugal/Italy etc.....This means nothing brate, we serbs have shown these mongols throughout history our compassion and will, to help these scumbags from hard times (building schools, printing books, reviving the masses), for what, to get spat at and lose our nation because WE HELPED them.
It must start with them.
PS The mongol empire sort to crush Serbia from existence 1200 years ago, but 1050 years later we revived the scumbags....let me remind you, it hasn't ended there.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Jun 28, 2012 1:33:27 GMT -5
Some time bro, we will travel all balkans together, maybe as pensioners and see it all in reality.
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