two types of fustanelles?

[Kanaris]

Yeah sure.

[atdhetar]

Feb 28, 2013 11:11:08 GMT -5 Kanaris said:

Lame comeback if it's not insulting me and my age then your're insulting Greeks... you said before I am incapable of conversation it seems you have to look at yourself first. For whatever reason most Greeks hadn't heard of Albanians I am not sure why but I am thinking anything insignificant and not in the world news no one knows much like the south american pygmies... I am not comparing you of course to pygmies... so keep your potty mouth for your dad...

you are conveniently sensitive mike, its just a little joke about age no big deal, you've been called worse i'm sure, what is it with you and getting all riled up as soon as age gets mentioned?

saying someone is ignorant is not necessarily an insult and greeks have been known to have high levels of illiteracy, its just a fact, if you do not know the countries that border you that have lived alongside you for thousands of years then you my friend are an ignorant and most likely inbred, there is no excuse, especially since 1/3 of your ethnic make up is comprised of albanians.

whether we are significant or not or ever where is a matter of opinion and yours happens to be skewed and clouded by your immence hatred for albanians, just like mine is towards greeks, i know better than to expect any objectivity from you.

you can't implicitly say that albs are burglars and criminals and then put on a sulky face when i call you ignorant, i'm just saying.

[atdhetar]

Feb 28, 2013 19:31:38 GMT -5 Kanaris said:

Didn't Scani fight against you guys? Weren't the Souliotes killed by Muslim albs? You can skate around the hole but most of the time you fall in it. POW!!!

scanderbeg was a muslim for most of his life,

soulioties fought against other albanians who happened to be muslim and they were not persecuted because they were christian, there has never been a religious war among albanians, your fictional approach to history is cute.

a few questions for you,

1. why were the arvanites forbidden from learning their own language?
2. are you aware that arvanitka missed out by a couple of votes from being the offical greek language?
3. if you loved the christian arvanites so much then why erase all traces of the cultural identity?
4. can you name one greek hero that is not of arvanite descent?
5. why, after the alleged corfu treaty, greeks changed drastically their view of albanians, prior to that they regarded albs as the true descendands of illyrians and their oldest neighbours?
6. why has the view of ali pasha changed after the balcan's wars? before that he was revered in all of greece?

if you are striving for historical enlightement then pick up a shovel and dig your way out of your own shit.

[Kanaris]

Mar 1, 2013 4:59:38 GMT -5 atdhetar said:

Feb 28, 2013 19:31:38 GMT -5 Kanaris said:

Didn't Scani fight against you guys? Weren't the Souliotes killed by Muslim albs? You can skate around the hole but most of the time you fall in it. POW!!!

scanderbeg was a muslim for most of his life,

soulioties fought against other albanians who happened to be muslim and they were not persecuted because they were christian, there has never been a religious war among albanians, your fictional approach to history is cute.

a few questions for you,

1. why were the arvanites forbidden from learning their own language?
2. are you aware that arvanitka missed out by a couple of votes from being the offical greek language?
3. if you loved the christian arvanites so much then why erase all traces of the cultural identity?
4. can you name one greek hero that is not of arvanite descent?
5. why, after the alleged corfu treaty, greeks changed drastically their view of albanians, prior to that they regarded albs as the true descendands of illyrians and their oldest neighbours?
6. why has the view of ali pasha changed after the balcan's wars? before that he was revered in all of greece?

if you are striving for historical enlightement then pick up a shovel and dig your way out of your own s**t.

Scanderbeg was given to the sultan to be brought up Muslim... it wasn't his choice.When he saw the light he left that faith.  
 
1- We consider arvanites Greek and the only language for them was Greek why confuse them even more?
2-Utter bullchit
3-Their cultural identity is Greek in fact they protect Greek history and culture more than anyone else and get insulted if they are called albanian. 
4-easy peasy the list is too long... here are but a few,  Alexander Ypsilantis 

Georgios Dimitrios Flessas

Theodoros Kolokotronis 

Konstanine Kanaris 

Panagiotis Karatzas 

Nikitas Stamatelopoulos 

Alexandros Mavrokordatos 

Odysseas Androutsos 

Andreas Miaoulis 

Laskarina Bouboulina 

Markos Botsaris 

Yannis Makriyannis 

Georgios Karaiskakis 

5- Alleged? then how can we talk about it?Your Prince signed it.. Albania promised to leave the area autonomous.. Greeks of the revolution never regarded muslim albanians as descendants of Illyrians just Tourkoalvanous. Especially after so many transgressions they inflicted against Greeks.The muslim chams sealed the deal.  

[rex362]

Mar 1, 2013 4:59:38 GMT -5 atdhetar said:

Feb 28, 2013 19:31:38 GMT -5 Kanaris said:

Didn't Scani fight against you guys? Weren't the Souliotes killed by Muslim albs? You can skate around the hole but most of the time you fall in it. POW!!!

scanderbeg was a muslim for most of his life,

soulioties fought against other albanians who happened to be muslim and they were not persecuted because they were christian, there has never been a religious war among albanians, your fictional approach to history is cute.

a few questions for you,

1. why were the arvanites forbidden from learning their own language?
2. are you aware that arvanitka missed out by a couple of votes from being the offical greek language?
3. if you loved the christian arvanites so much then why erase all traces of the cultural identity?
4. can you name one greek hero that is not of arvanite descent?
5. why, after the alleged corfu treaty, greeks changed drastically their view of albanians, prior to that they regarded albs as the true descendands of illyrians and their oldest neighbours?
6. why has the view of ali pasha changed after the balcan's wars? before that he was revered in all of greece?

if you are striving for historical enlightement then pick up a shovel and dig your way out of your own s**t.

nice  lil greek docu video for ya  greeks

"Arvanites speaking Arvanitika and Greek in an Albanian accent. "


Over 900 villages, towns, and settlements in Greece are inhabited by
Arvanites, a population of ethnic Albanian stock. Different from over 1
million Albanian postcommunist economic migrants, over 500,000 people
communicate in Arvanitika in a bilingual environment. As we have shown,
in Greece every action that takes an Albanian and Arvanitika association
is turned into a negative connotation by being demonized, stigmatized,
punished, and strictly discouraged. This show produced by the Greek
national television attempts to paint an incomplete picture that does
not reflect the centuries-long suppression that Arvanitika speakers have
experienced since the creation of the modern Greek state in the 1830's
by German (Bavarian) and British philhellenes. Currently Arvanitika is a
highly endangered language in Greece because the Greek government
prohibits any Arvanitika schools.

[rex362]

they protect Greek history and culture more than anyone else and get insulted if they are called albanian. 

they protect bcs its their history that made greece ..........the ones I met in Keratea were not insulted at all

[atdhetar]

he was a self appointed prince and not elected, he was a dummy who was planted there and knew nothing of albania, he was in power for less than 6 months before he was booted out and legally speaking he had not authority to make concessions so the agreement was null from the getgo, besides there was noone in southern albania that called for that agreement, on the contrary, us in the south despised the greek more than any other human race, that's why some of the fiercest opposition to greeks is attributed to orthodox albanians who rejected greek attempts to annex the south and englulf christian albanians into their ficticious sham ethnicity, the corfu agreement was a farce and refuted the world over.

what transgressions do you speak of island boy? can you please provide one piece of literature that can attest to that? you're just another mouthpiece that can base nothing on facts? when did these transgressions happen? because prior to the balcan wars you wanted to create a unified bistate based on 'historical brotherhood'!!! when did you exactly changed your view, how did we go from brothers and illyrias to turkoalvane? 

if you felt confortable in the knowledge that arvanites are greek then why do you have people following albanian camera crews when they shooting documentaries on arvanites? there is documented evidence of greek authorities persecuting arvanites for speaking albanian, their mother tongue, the greek government passed decrees forbidding the use of albanian, i wonder why.

you wipe out the national conciousness of arvanites, replace it with horseshit greek dogma and then you turn around 100 years later and say 'of but they hate being called albanians'...of course they do, you spend 100 years lobotomising them and turning them into hellenic zombies, all of that does not change the fact who they are, everything is documented!

[Kanaris]

the south despised the greek more than any other human race, that's why some of the fiercest opposition to greeks is attributed to orthodox albanians 

 

Thats what I was waiting for and the answer I wanted...   

So now you see why Arvanites are pure Greek... big difference between the orthodox albanians and the orthodox greek arvanites...  Some of you try to blur the line....  don't. 

I can't make you understand because you are not ready. 

Past aggressions? They are well documented.... I'm sure you know don't play dumb. 

[rex362]

the annexation of ALbanian lands by greek church / 1912

[atdhetar]

Mar 1, 2013 10:43:24 GMT -5 Kanaris said:

the south despised the greek more than any other human race, that's why some of the fiercest opposition to greeks is attributed to orthodox albanians 

 

Thats what I was waiting for and the answer I wanted...   

So now you see why Arvanites are pure Greek... big difference between the orthodox albanians and the orthodox greek arvanites...  Some of you try to blur the line....  don't. 

I can't make you understand because you are not ready. 

Past aggressions? They are well documented.... I'm sure you know don't play dumb. 

that's skewed logic mike, you're defining things according to your convenience, they are called ALBANIAN, their name explicitly means ALBANIANS.  ALBANITE-ARVANITE-ARBANITE-ALVANITE, can you not understand this?

you need to make a distinction between their roots and what they are not, the product of today is the end result of a long standing brainwashing and assimilation process, no one is denying that today they are to all intents and purposes greek, but we're talking about their stock,

this is not hard to understand why do you skirt around the issue? you keep trying to wiggle your way out of what's being discussed, how can they be pure greek when they have albanian blood?

[rex362]

[atdhetar]

i am genuinely curious to know how albanians have wronged the greeks, can someone provide some evidence of that.

[Kanaris]

Mar 1, 2013 11:54:38 GMT -5 atdhetar said:

i am genuinely curious to know how albanians have wronged the greeks, can someone provide some evidence of that.

This is just a tiny fraction.... I know you're a bright fellow... so I don't understand your comments above. 

 
 
 
 
 


I would say it's a safe bet that Greeks suffered more under Musulman albs than with the turks.

[rex362]

^ under ottoman orders

[Kanaris]

Shameful

[rex362]

Mar 1, 2013 13:24:09 GMT -5 Kanaris said:

Shameful

you have to put yourself in the perspectives of the times back then Canaris



like it was shameful for slavs ,vlachs and greeks under the house of Ali Pasha or by hire to round/hack  up Albanians and/or greeks  whether Muslims or Christians  ....

[dukeduka]

The forefathers of those Albanians who fought against Greeks during Greek revolution used to fight alongside Skanderbeg against the Turks.

Where were the Greeks and Serbs during Skanderbeg?

I would say it's a safe bet that Greeks suffered more under Musulman albs than with the turks.

How come the Albanians used to be the ones to suffer more form the Turks rather than Greek and Serbs did?
(since the fall of Constantinople till circa 1800-s?)

[rex362]

POW !

[Kanaris]

 


The Greeks were defending Constantinople during those times... plus the crusaders... where were the Albanians? If I have to go any earlier there was NO SIGN of you anywhere...  now thats a POW!!!

[dukeduka]

Mar 1, 2013 13:57:36 GMT -5 Kanaris said:

 


The Greeks were defending Constantinople during those times... plus the crusaders... where were the Albanians? If I have to go any earlier there was NO SIGN of you anywhere...  now thats a POW!!!

The smaller states on the map used to be Principalities of Arbers.


FYI: Constantinople (Byzantine Empire)already fell since the end of the Fourth Crusade. (where the western forces fought against the Byzantine)

Do not take so much pride on the crusades because it was the crusades themselves the reason that weakened the Byzantine Empire.


Byzantine Empire was part only of the first (Crusade of 1101) and  the second crusade (Second Crusade).

You talk as if Byzantine empire was a Greek empire which in fact was not. It was no different form the other empires composed by multi ethnicity, and multi cultural ism. And Arbers were part of the Byzantine empire during the crusades.

Since you are so knowledgeable on crusades can you please tell me the name of the Greek fighters that organized and fought alongside crusades?