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Post by Kubrat on Feb 21, 2008 1:58:03 GMT -5
Bravo for what?
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Post by depletedreasons on Feb 21, 2008 4:52:59 GMT -5
yeah, my bad! I dont know what I was thinking when I wrote Turkey as non-recognising. Maybe Im still surprised they went for it given that they are even more messed up than the Spaniards when it comes to separatism. Spain, Belgium, Scotland are democratic and reasonably wealthy countries, but those still have the ethnic problems. Which suggests that the Western/European style democracies fail to resolve problems related to the ethnic conflicts. So, ignoring the independence of Kosova will not be a cure for those European countries. Turks have a history of close ties with the Kurds since the Seljuk Empire. So, it is a bit different. Even if the Kurds get independent one day, they will be highly correlated to the Turkish state and the policies. Turkey in fact, supports a Kurdish state like it does support Kosova, but not a state established without Turkey's will. The worst impact of Kosova's independence will be on Russia. After all, in Chechnya, Circassia, Dagestan, Ingushetia, Tatarstan, Boshkortostan, the Russians are only a minority, and none of these nations is happy to be a part of the Russian Federation. Today, Russia enjoys funds coming from gas and oil, but when her resources do not value as much as it does today, Russia could be the biggest loser of all, and I think China, India, USA, the EU, Japan, Iran, Turkey and the rest of the world would not mind to have a shrunken Russia.
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Post by Rhezus on Feb 22, 2008 19:51:35 GMT -5
Wonder how do you think here.. If F.Y.R.O.M gives authonomy to their albanian minority why should we be involved?! And why should we bother in case fyromians want to give them that?
Kosovo is alrerady recognised. Are Bulgarians blaming now US, Russia, Turkey etc.? Serbians put fire on Croat, American, Turkish and Bosnian embassies.. Too bad for Serbia. Wonder why do they not protect the embassies, when all knew hundred of thousands were protesting in Belgrad?! It was may be planned so..
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Post by rex362 on Feb 23, 2008 22:25:51 GMT -5
I heard they recognized...my bad ooops..... ;D but I be back when they do .....
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2008 17:32:14 GMT -5
your so stupid Rex , how embarrassing
Put your tail between your legs and leave now. bow-wow
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Post by Ivanov on Feb 25, 2008 6:10:54 GMT -5
As I wrote, they started to delay. Our PM said that they will wait, until Kosovo adopts its constitution to see whether it is in conformity with the Ahtisaari plan. Then the recognition will be discussed in our Parliament, then is the summer vacation. So I think, in autumn 2008, Kosovo may be recognized by Bulgaria.
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Post by bb681 on Feb 25, 2008 13:27:10 GMT -5
Sofia to Delay Decision over Kosovo for Six Months
Bulgaria will try to postpone its decision over Kosovo's independence recognition for six months, the Standart learnt from MPs from the ruling majority. Sofia will state its stand after making sure that Pristina obeys democracy principles and sticks to Ahtisaari plan. Bulgaria also waits to see the kind of constitution Kosovo authorities will devise.
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Post by bb681 on Feb 25, 2008 13:28:42 GMT -5
Looks like feelings among Bulgarians are mixed:
Four Bulgarians Detained in Belgrade
Four Bulgarian citizens were arrested during the mass protests in Belgrade on Thursday, FC CSKA Sofia fan club leader Dimitar Angelov broke the news. The legal battle to set the Bulgarians free continued until late yesterday evening. Each of the four detained are prominent supporters of CSKA. According to Angelov, a total of 200 Bulgarians travelled to Belgrade to support the Serbian cause. However, he refused to disclose the reason for the arrest of the four football fans.
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Post by rex362 on Feb 26, 2008 15:24:03 GMT -5
^ possible faster then ....
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Post by Ivanov on Feb 27, 2008 5:12:46 GMT -5
A minor development:) Today, the Bulgarian police department recognized Kosovo: The Plovdiv regional police department officially announced that two... "Kosovo citizens" were arrested yesterday, they are charged with.......... www.dnesplus.bg/Curious.aspx?f=108&d=209260
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Post by bb681 on Feb 27, 2008 10:02:15 GMT -5
lol
I guess it should be a big thing if the police department thinks so, since the majority of future relations with Kosovan are likely to be with it.
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Post by rex362 on Feb 27, 2008 12:01:59 GMT -5
Belgrade already slapping Sofia
SOFIA, Feb. 27 (Xinhua) -- Serbia's Ambassador to the European Union (EU) Roksandra Nincic said that Bulgaria's potential decision to recognize the independence of Kosovo was disappointing and might affect bilateral relations, Sofia News Agency reported Wednesday.
Nincic told Bulgarian National Radio that even though Bulgaria had decided not to recognize Kosovo immediately and to do so only under certain conditions, its readiness to establish relations with the Serbian province would inevitable compromise the relations between the two countries.
"First we will pull our ambassador out of Bulgaria, as we have already done in other countries which recognized independent Kosovo," the report quoted Nincic as saying.
Bulgarian President Georgi Parvanov said on Feb. 18 that his country's position on Kosovo's independence will mainly depend on how the Kosovo leadership fulfills the Ahtisaari plan, which Bulgaria has been supporting.
According to Parvanov, other factors affecting Bulgaria's stance would be institution-building in Kosovo, its respect for human rights and for the rights of minorities including Serbs.
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Post by rex362 on Mar 4, 2008 12:40:48 GMT -5
Bulgaria's cowardice on Kosovo Bulgaria has not yet declared its position on Kosovo's independence. While Bulgarian politicians describe this stance as cautious, Edvin Sugarev finds it weak: "By not adopting a clear stance and shunning responsibility, Bulgaria is just trying to keep the Kremlin happy and avoid annoying Brussels. However, such conduct is neither loyal to the country's allies nor its values. No one would expel Greece from NATO or Romania from the EU because they oppose Kosovo's independence, because everyone knows that they reject it for egoistic but nonetheless understandable reasons. But the other line of reasoning is that which takes values into account. According to this reasoning, because of its 'ethnic cleansings' Serbia has lost the moral right to regard Kosovo as its territory. ... A third line of reasoning doesn't really exist, only that of the coward who wants to avoid ending up between two front lines." www.dnevnik.bg/show/?storyid=465634
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Post by bb681 on Mar 4, 2008 14:34:19 GMT -5
As cowardly as it may look, Bulgaria's response(or the lack of it) is pretty much logical. It has no solid reasons/benefits to refuse recognition but has no such for accepting either. Thats an issue which appears outside the country but the government still needs to deal with it and it does so in the safest way possible which currently is to stay quiet.
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Post by ioan on Mar 4, 2008 14:38:15 GMT -5
I agree but I think we should have a common position with Greece and Romania on this matter!
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Post by bb681 on Mar 4, 2008 14:47:28 GMT -5
well, all of us lose more at the moment by recognising rather than not(mainly to do with unnecessarily pissing off Serbia). There is not even a need to make a summit and discuss it because its self-explanatory that they will all act in the same way. Then in addition we got the Hungarian minority in Transylvania(RO) and the Cypruss issue for the Greeks.
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Post by ioan on Mar 4, 2008 14:52:48 GMT -5
But there is possibility that Greece recognize it and Cyprus doesnt, so actually there could be a common position in the future between Bg and Gr only.
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Post by Rhezus on Mar 4, 2008 15:09:36 GMT -5
What ever positions Greece, Romania or Cyprus may have, Kosovo and their ppl exsist. It says from the beging, Kosovo was Albanian populated area - Serbs "annected" it later.
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Post by jerryspringer on Mar 4, 2008 15:12:47 GMT -5
It says from the beging, Kosovo wasn't Serb but Albanian populated - they annected the territory later. Beging? Annected?
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Post by julius on Mar 4, 2008 15:36:57 GMT -5
I think NATO EU USA will slap one country to make an example, if many in Balkan dont recognise Kosova. Do u see posible that scenario?
If yes, I wonder which that country might be..... Any guess?
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