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Post by ILIRI I MADH on May 24, 2008 19:10:51 GMT -5
Thats not my argument. As I don't believe that God has a beginning. I do believe everything else does. and why is that? Why can't god have a begining? does that make any sense?
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Post by terroreign on May 24, 2008 20:09:06 GMT -5
^How can something infinite have a beginning, explain that to me.
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Post by ILIRI I MADH on May 24, 2008 23:47:53 GMT -5
^How can something infinite have a beginning, explain that to me. first. how do u know that god exists in order to claim that he is infinite? and second. the law of nature called the law of conservation of energy says that energy is infinite, meaning has no end or begining, cannot be created or destroyed, and everything in this world is made out of energy, so where does that leave god? 1st law of thermodynamics...search for it! 3rd. god has to have origin to, unless you are a crackhead you have to think that he/she/it hasn't... 4th. in order for god to have created the world, he has to be a very complicated thing, and in this universe complicated things come later into being, so how was god created before the universe? he has to evolve to be god in order to become so powerful to create anything, nonless the universe! 5th. i dont claim that god exists, you do, so unless you want me to think that you are a freak of nature and believe anything like a puppet, then it is you the religious who need to prove that god exists, we just simply don't think it does, prove to us that it does as you believe without a doubt that it does! thank you! here is a good argument against your religion!
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Post by Kanaris on May 25, 2008 2:01:40 GMT -5
All religions lead to the same path=God.... it's the style that changes.... one does not believe in the style ...but he believes in God...
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Post by ILIRI I MADH on May 25, 2008 2:13:26 GMT -5
so why aren't you a muslim then, and why do u hate muslims?
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Post by jerryspringer on May 25, 2008 5:55:12 GMT -5
From a theological perspective, God is the Alpha and Omega; he is the first source of everything and he is the creator of everything. Nothing has created God.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on May 25, 2008 6:45:58 GMT -5
^How can something infinite have a beginning, explain that to me. first. how do u know that god exists in order to claim that he is infinite? and second. the law of nature called the law of conservation of energy says that energy is infinite, meaning has no end or begining, cannot be created or destroyed, and everything in this world is made out of energy, so where does that leave god? 1st law of thermodynamics...search for it! 3rd. god has to have origin to, unless you are a crackhead you have to think that he/she/it hasn't... 4th. in order for god to have created the world, he has to be a very complicated thing, and in this universe complicated things come later into being, so how was god created before the universe? he has to evolve to be god in order to become so powerful to create anything, nonless the universe! 5th. i dont claim that god exists, you do, so unless you want me to think that you are a freak of nature and believe anything like a puppet, then it is you the religious who need to prove that god exists, we just simply don't think it does, prove to us that it does as you believe without a doubt that it does! thank you! here is a good argument against your religion! Energy this, energy that. What a crap argument! Go to the 4th floor, get out of the balcony, and you will have enuf potential energy to be converted to kinetic energy to kill your body. Ever thought that we are talking about INTELLIGENCE here, and dare i say MECHANICS and ENGINEERING. The time a human is born, this time a valve is switched and the baby starts to breath from its own inhaling system than rely on its mother's organism. That is still hard for doctors/scientist to figure out the details and chemical engineering behind this little miracle. And that of course is one of the 1,000,000 miraculous results of intelligence, perfect engineering and wisdom that happen during the birth alone. You still talk about energy and thermodynamics? Have you got the slightest of "intuition"? Have you ever tried to build something of yourself? some machine, some computer program, smth at all? You will need to put a lot of wisdom, thought and LOVE. Something apparently God has in vast ammounts.
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Post by epiroti on May 25, 2008 8:22:05 GMT -5
Quote:Without God this life doesn't have any meaning...
This only confirms my belief that those who worship a "God" are inferior minded people who need lords and kings over them to exist. You people are so weak that you cant live life on your own terms, you books to guide you, like Americans who seek mentors before making any decision. Feeble-minded and pathetic. Slaves, I mean, you give your children names like "Servant/Slave of God"(Abdullah).... Nietzsche said it better. Nietzsche also exagerated things sometimes for poetic effects. That's why the bastard is so entertaining to read. Toskali should be a little more understanding towards these people as well, before he simply looks at the result and judges simply based on that. Most religious people became such at a very young age, when their mind/personality wasn't ready to make such choices. The environment they grew up in didn't mentally-train them properly (w.r.t. the issue we're considering). And it's usually their parents effectively forcing the concept on a child when they're too young/fragile to trully decide for themselves. And it is a hell of a comfortable concept. Snapping out of it is really hard - it's like a phobia; therapy would probably be needed... (but who wants to go to therapy over religion; isn't it much easier to shut your eyes to logical arguments and convince yourself there is a god?) A more appropriate concept to quote from Nietzsche would be that of Chance. Or 'Lord Chance' as he calls it. And chance is not kind with everyone. (another reason by the way why not to believe in a god who is concerned with us) Of course, there are those who embrace religion out of fear, at an age when they should be strong and smart enaugh to decide for the other, more logical, take on life. Those people are pathetic.
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Post by jerryspringer on May 25, 2008 8:27:02 GMT -5
Yahac is one of those pathetic people. The guy left Turkey for America, felt alone and as an outcast, and embraced Islam to strengthen his identity. Some Wahhabists approached him and brainwashed him. They must have noticed the weak spirit in him.
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Post by Dèsîŗĕ Yèarning on May 25, 2008 8:40:11 GMT -5
My family is not at all religious. I only learned about religion when I got older. I believe everyone will have a time where they can bear the thought of a much higher entity. Human ego's are out of control. As for energy - where does energy come from? random chance? evolution? love is a good point that was made... Also the chemicals in our brains - where else do they exist- how come they have a certain balance- why don't they act in the same manner in other living matters? thoughts-feelings-ideas why do we have these - how about DREAMS - what do we know about Dreams - and why we have them- I have had various dreams that I have later lived in normal life. Are these warnings? who knows Anyway Atheists always dodge these topics since they haven't any reasonable answers to why they exist. Just like scientist always use the black matter excuse when discussing the big bang theory
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Post by jerryspringer on May 25, 2008 9:57:37 GMT -5
whateva'....we dont care ya know...pfft
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Post by PARIS DIO_MYSUS! on May 25, 2008 10:12:36 GMT -5
Somebody says that who created God? God is Creator and not Created. Here Video, God is He and He is Myself Sun_MYSUS Christ !
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Post by PARIS DIO_MYSUS! on May 25, 2008 14:30:13 GMT -5
Blessings !
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Post by terroreign on May 25, 2008 19:06:37 GMT -5
can somebody ban mysia?
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Post by ILIRI I MADH on May 25, 2008 19:32:54 GMT -5
Energy ALWAYS existed since it cannot be created nor destroyed. So why do u need god to create energy? and we all know that everything in this world is made out of energy...think about it!
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Post by Niklianos on May 25, 2008 22:48:34 GMT -5
Muslims believe in the Kuran not the old testament Are you certain? It was always my understanding from my Muslim friends that there are many parts of the Old Testament that are accepted buy the Quran! Here are several excerpts from the Quran that show acceptance of parts of the Old Testament. "Those who follow the apostle, the unlettered Prophet, whom they find mentioned in their own (scriptures),- in the law and the Gospel;- for he commands them what is just and forbids them what is evil; he allows them as lawful what is good (and pure) and prohibits them from what is bad (and impure); He releases them from their heavy burdens and from the yokes that are upon them. So it is those who believe in him, honour him, help him, and follow the light which is sent down with him,- it is they who will prosper. (The Noble Quran, 7:157)" "It is He Who sent down to thee (step by step), in truth, the Book, confirming what went before it; and He sent down the Law (of Moses) and the Gospel (of Jesus) before this, as a guide to mankind, and He sent down the criterion (of judgment be tween right and wrong). (The Noble Quran, 3:3)" "To thee We sent the Scripture in truth, confirming the scripture that came before it, and guarding it in safety: so judge between them by what God hath revealed, and follow not their vain desires, diverging from the Truth that hath come to thee. To each among you have we prescribed a law and an open way. If God had so willed, He would have made you a single people, but (His plan is) to test you in what He hath given you: so strive as in a race in all virtues. The goal of you all is to God; it is He that will show you the truth of the matters in which ye dispute; (The Noble Quran, 5:48)" "That which We have revealed to thee of the Book is the Truth,- confirming what was (revealed) before it: for God is assuredly- with respect to His Servants - well acquainted and Fully Observant. (The Noble Quran, 35:31)" Is it not said by Muslims that Christians, Jews and Muslims are 'All children of the Book'? Is it not acceptable for a Muslim, if they cannot find a suitable spouse who is Muslim, to marry a Christian or a Jew?
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Post by Kralj Vatra on May 26, 2008 2:53:24 GMT -5
Energy ALWAYS existed since it cannot be created nor destroyed. So why do u need god to create energy? and we all know that everything in this world is made out of energy...think about it! With RAW energy you can only destroy, not build. A stupid american bomb can destroy a nice Serb/Yugoslav factory that makes cars, or the bigger maternity center in balkans (yes it happened too), in less than 1 day. (that is given the Serbs dont neutralize the shit outta the stupid american weaponry). Now, can you find me some scenario, in which the same amount of energy can build the car factory or the maternity center in less than 1 day? No, because to construct, you want Energy + INTELLIGENCE + LOVE
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Post by Kanaris on May 26, 2008 5:41:10 GMT -5
so why aren't you a muslim then, and why do u hate muslims? Because I don't like their style...besides they wash their dirty feet in the public washroom of office buildings before they pray..... and they make a mess of the place..not giving a chit about the next person that has to wash his face in those same sinks.....
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Post by Dèsîŗĕ Yèarning on May 26, 2008 9:33:17 GMT -5
Energy ALWAYS existed since it cannot be created nor destroyed. So why do u need god to create energy? and we all know that everything in this world is made out of energy...think about it! Energy can always exist - but God can't LOL If there was nothing before the big bang- where did the huge amount of energy come from to create the big bang? As for the old testament I shall repeat the Kuran is what Muslims follow. Not any bible - although there are similarities between both. Muslims say the bible is corrupted by man. Yes Christians and Jews are accepted as people of the book. As for marrying yes Muslims have more freedom to marry others compared to certain religious groups.
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Post by jerryspringer on May 26, 2008 9:43:25 GMT -5
Muslim men, yes. Muslim women, such as you, are not allowed to marry non-Muslims.
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