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Post by terroreign on Jul 17, 2008 3:08:10 GMT -5
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Post by dekimontenegro on Jul 17, 2008 3:47:29 GMT -5
The worst thing is, is that thanks to spasticated comments like this and the way we have somehow forgotten that Serbs are our Brothers, Tourism is down by a half this year[because Serbs are going Greece instead], leading to increased prices and inflation in Montenegro, which inturn create's more hardship and poverty.
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Post by terroreign on Jul 17, 2008 3:58:06 GMT -5
Dude serbs are not needed in CG, they just cause problems. (Not to mention they arent even real serbs, just traitorous CGs who killed our ancestors in 1918)
Hardship and poverty? Have you even been to CG? People are living very comfortably, maybe too comfortably.
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Post by dekimontenegro on Jul 17, 2008 4:08:21 GMT -5
Really, ok then mate if you say so, by the sea people live well and make money for 2 months, it must be the shortest season any holidaying country has. Everybody is trying to escape the country, to make a better life abroad, in Niksic and Podgorica jobs are very limited, im sorry but you really have no idea. I go to Montenegro about 4 times a year from London it s easy. Please Don't lecture me, about how well people live, when the facts are that its very hard for people right now. Im fed up of your Anti Serb feeling, i used to think you were ok very patriotic,but you are just spouting nonsense, i suppose you think the albanians are going to come as tourists instead, one of the poorest countries in Europe?
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Post by osmano on Jul 17, 2008 7:42:47 GMT -5
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Post by Emperor AAdmin on Jul 17, 2008 11:52:23 GMT -5
TR Your I tag is back, congrats.
BTW Your views are not patriotic but hate mongering and anti-Montenegrin in essence for what would be bring there but a civil war and destruction to Montenegro where a brother would be killing a brother. Also Montenegrins are raised (as you are not one you of course do not understand) to respect all and even their enemies as that is how their character is. Any Montenegrin that is ready to kill their own family members for the sake of some retarted politics deserved DOBROTA (mental institution near Kotor).
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Post by terroreign on Jul 17, 2008 13:38:32 GMT -5
^Dobrota is a city near Kotor...
And as I am taught, Montenegrins put people into 2 categories, Ljudi and Neljudi, these pseudo-serbs in Montenegro are Neljudi, for which I can't give my respect.
They turned their back on the Montenegrins and King Nikola in 1918 when we needed support.
Not only that, why in 1991 it was 61% Montenegrins and now these traitors change their minds?
You cannot deny the facts.
Deki - Montenegro's summer season is 4 months long
And I have relatives in Podgorica and Plav, they're doing quite well for themselves and live comfortably
There are plenty of jobs, new markets opening up, new institutions alot of money is being invested there, from Italian companies to Turkish companies.
The tourists are increasingly coming from EU countries and less from Serbia or the ex-yu.
This is what we want. And aadmin, I dont see the sense in giving me the instigator tag just because I'm a Montenegrin who gives his honest opinion and justifies it. While you allow Albanians to wallow in their hate and you accept it.
I'm not saying I hate the pro-serbs, I just believe we can do without them...
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Post by terroreign on Jul 17, 2008 13:40:27 GMT -5
“Mi kao PRAVI dostojni potomci svojih predaka pokazali smo citavom svijetu kako Crnogorac zna cuvati cast i suverenitet svoje zemlje. Vi ste svojom krvlju u borbi protiv izroda postavili kamen temeljac buducoj Crnoj Gori koja ce biti mnogo veca i u svakom pogledu naprednija nego sto je bila. Vase muke i trud Vladar i domovina nece zaboraviti…”
– Krsto Zrnov Popovic, 1919
Dont worry Krsto, we haven't forgotten you either.
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Post by Emperor AAdmin on Jul 17, 2008 15:22:37 GMT -5
And as I am taught, Montenegrins put people into 2 categories, Ljudi and Neljudi, these pseudo-serbs in Montenegro are Neljudi, for which I can't give my respect. Neljudi means people without character (without respect and pride) and has nothing to do with ethnicity. One is whatever one seem themselves to be. They turned their back on the Montenegrins and King Nikola in 1918 when we needed support. These so called 'Greens' we all declared Serbs as well. " Not only that, why in 1991 it was 61% Montenegrins and now these traitors change their minds? You cannot deny the facts." Perhaps in 1991 many saw it as the same thing and never bothered to differentiate between the two. I know in 1980s there were never such topics between Montenegrins. " Deki - Montenegro's summer season is 4 months long" Deki is right about July and August being the main months by far. " And I have relatives in Podgorica and Plav, they're doing quite well for themselves and live comfortably. There are plenty of jobs, new markets opening up, new institutions a lot of money is being invested there, from Italian companies to Turkish companies." Most of the money is focused on the coast. " And aadmin, I dont see the sense in giving me the instigator tag just because I'm a Montenegrin who gives his honest opinion and justifies it. While you allow Albanians to wallow in their hate and you accept it." We have a unique situation where many Montenegrins actually see themselves as Serbs as well (as did Petrovic dynasty) and now you show practically open hate here and call for their expulsion. I being Montenegrin myself can not sit by at ease when (supposed) one of Montenegrins is calling for inter-Montenegrin hate. " I'm not saying I hate the pro-serbs, I just believe we can do without them... " Do without them how when 'they' are everywhere (except perhaps Cetinje where 'they' are small minority). Unless Cetinje is becoming an independent principality or something (like Monaco, Andora or San Marino) I don't see any logic but provocation in such statements. I see a hatemonger who wishes to see Montenegro plunge in a apocalyptic civil war.
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Post by terroreign on Jul 17, 2008 16:58:07 GMT -5
Wrong, in Podgorica, Niksic, Kotor and Danilovgrad they are a small minority.
If this : can happen in Podgorica, then obviously we are in the majority.
Do you wish for me again to put up the vid with Slavko Perovic telling the beograd reporter that Montenegrins are not serbs in 1995?
But that's how the old Montenegrins classfied people. And serbs in CG aren't 'neljudi' because they claim they are serbs, we are fine with that. The problem is they dont respect Montenegro as a country and don't respect Montenegrins as a people. For this they are neljudi.
Actually they didn't, they believed serb to be a religious term, and Montenegrin to be their ethnic name.
Meanwhile the Bjelasi believed their religion to be serb, and their ethnicity/nationality to be serb.
Heres a quote justifying my reasoning :
"Mi više nijesmo Crnogorci nego Srbi"
This said by the President of the Podgorica Assembly on 1918, the Bjelas Savo Fatic
The Petrovic dynasty never considered themselves 'serbs' in today's form of the word. They considered themselves ethnic Montenegrins.
"No krsna i siromasna Crna Gora ne haje ni za Nemanje, ni za Murate, ni za Bonaparte; svi oni bise pa minuse, a mac svoj o Crnogorce djekoji opipase, pa nestase a Crna Gora ostade dovijeka i strasnoga suda, u svojoj volji i slobodi..."
– Njegos
"Ni za Nemanje"
We won't let serbs take over our country, not then not now not ever.
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Post by ljubomir on Jul 17, 2008 18:32:04 GMT -5
1909 Knjazevina Crna Gora Srbi - oko 95% Crnogorci - 0%
Fast Forward to just after communists come to power: 1948 Republika Crna Gora Crnogorci - 90.67% Srbi - 1.78%
Hmmmm. Very interesting facts there. Before communism came to power, no one declared themselves as Crnogorci by ethnicity. I wonder why that is? Perhaps they were fed propaganda by Tito and his cronies?
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Post by terroreign on Jul 17, 2008 19:12:08 GMT -5
1909 census wasn't on nationality, but on language. And at that time not even 50% of the population was counted, and the serbian language was promoted heavily..
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Post by ljubomir on Jul 17, 2008 19:28:13 GMT -5
you've got a weak excuse for everything TR. nemaš pojma.. You get your "references" from wikipedia and montenet.org lol
Also, can you give me a proper link to the St. Novakovic quote you brought up in the other thread? And don't link me to montenet.org. Thanks
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Post by terroreign on Jul 19, 2008 13:32:22 GMT -5
No exuses, just facts.
Here's another one:
"Ako ga pitas sto je po vjeru, Crnogorac ce reci da je 'Srbin', a ako ga pitas sto je po narodnosti, rekne da je 'Crnogorac'." - Josef Holecek, 1876
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Post by ljubomir on Jul 19, 2008 21:04:29 GMT -5
it's not Facts when you can't provide a reliable link to the supposed source
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Post by terroreign on Jul 20, 2008 0:28:11 GMT -5
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Post by Caslav Klonimirovic on Jul 20, 2008 1:21:07 GMT -5
What a ridiculous quote. Since when has Serb been a religion? If you expect to take any value out of this then it would also be saying that Crnogorci also considered their church the Serbian Orthodox church which you are trying to claim they didn't. Also, it says their nationality is Montenegrin which is not the same as this ethnicity thing you are going on about. Go back to Bulgaria moron.
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Post by terroreign on Jul 20, 2008 1:44:43 GMT -5
It wasn't a religion, but a synonym for an orthodox christian which was used exclusively in Montenegro which was a heavily isolated region at the time.
Their church was Montenegrin...and narodnost means ethnicity "Narod" meaning people.
Btw nationality and ethnicity in Serbo-Croatian are the same, this is a fact even your Njegos.org states..
This is of value because the author is an unbiased source and visited the country...
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Post by Caslav Klonimirovic on Jul 20, 2008 2:01:39 GMT -5
Serb was a synonym for "Orthodox Christian." Keep trying man.
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Post by terroreign on Jul 20, 2008 2:06:13 GMT -5
"Imenom Srbin oznacavaju pravoslavnost, i zatim navode imena naroda (plemena): Bajici, Njegusi, Ceklinjani itd" – Pavle Rovinski, 1897
“Taj stari srednjovjekovni tip, koji indentifikuje srpstvo s pravoslavljem, osnova je sininimici po kojoj su gdekojim prostim ljudima naseg veka Rumuni, Rusi, Grci - srpske vere zato sto su pravoslavni, i po kojoj uopste ima srpske vere” - St. Novakovic 1893
There are many more quotes from esteemed historians saying the same thing, that in Montenegro serb was a synonym for orthodox.
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