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Post by Balkaneros on Mar 3, 2013 16:27:56 GMT -5
The proof is literally crawling under the albos feet. Im certian that not one albanian toponym can be found in albania, it is breath taking. There are even numerous ethnological accounts and tax records of the villages of Kosovo and all of the citizens had Slavic names. Ya I tried to bring up the tax records but the common "comeback" is the Turks favoured the Serbs in Kosovo over the albs which I can't even begin to understand how one can come to this conclusion, it's litterally like taking a leap into the air grasping for anything that is in reach lol
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Post by Balkaneros on Mar 3, 2013 16:08:09 GMT -5
To this day no-one denies that Kosovo was always Serbian, not the Americans, any of the EU states or anybody.
The justification behind "independant" Kosovo has nothing to do with history - this is where the albs fail. The only justification behind an "independant" Kosovo is using the "hummanitarian-arguments", which even then when doing research comes up as pure bogus.
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Post by Balkaneros on Mar 3, 2013 15:39:18 GMT -5
Out of pure stupidity I bet the albies wouldn't hesitate to desecrate Skanderbegs fathers' grave just b/c it's in cyrillic.
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Post by Balkaneros on Mar 3, 2013 15:25:24 GMT -5
Albanija planirala napad na Jugoslaviju posle Titove smrti, očekujući rasulo. Akcijom "Eksplozija" hteli da uzmu i delove Makedonije i Crne Gore
KOMUNISTIČKE vođe Albanije, tada najzatvorenije evropske diktature, planirale su, na tajnim sastancima krajem sedamdesetih i početkom 1980. godine, vojnu operaciju "Šperthimi" ("Eksplozija") protiv Jugoslavije, kako bi stvorili Veliku Albaniju! Tirana je planirala da posle smrti Josipa Broza Tita, kad počnu očekivane unutrašnje klanovske borbe za vlast u Jugoslaviji, brzom akcijom svoje armije prisvoji Kosovo i delove Makedonije i Crne Gore gde albansko stanovništvo ima većinu, navodi zagrebački "Jutarnji list". Sve to je, na osnovu albanskih i ruskih arhiva, zapisnika sa sednica Politbiroa Radničke partije Albanije, i iznesenih sećanja tadašnjeg ministra odbrane Velija Liakaja, objavio ruski istoričar dr Artjom Ulunjan, stručnjak za komunistički pokret u 20. veku na Balkanu, iz Instituta za opštu istoriju Ruske akademije nauka.
U tekstu "Tajna operacija 'Eksplozija': kako se Enver Hodža pripremao za 'haos posle Tita'", u januarskom broju časopisa "Slavjanovedenje", Ulunjan piše da je sada iz dostupnih arhivskih izvora vidljivo da je albanski komunistički vođa Enver Hodža bio opsednut onim što će se dogoditi s Jugoslavijom posle Tita i da je bio uveren da će tamo nastati krvava borba za vlast između "proruskih" i "proameričkih" snaga.
Hodža je, navodno, bio istovremeno u strahu za vlastiti režim, ali je grozničavo razmišljao kako iz cele situacije da izvuče najviše što se može i, po mogućnosti, dobije Kosovo.
Ulunjan kaže da je Kosovo i jedan od mogućih razloga zbog kojeg Albanija, kao jedina država, nije potpisala završni akt helsinškog samita 1975. godine, na kojem su definisane granice posleratne Evrope.
UJEDINjENjE SVIH
RUSKI istoričar navodi izveštaj albanskog ministra unutrašnjih poslova Kadrija Hazbijua iz novembra 1977. godine, u kojem se "prvi i jedini put" u tako važnom dokumentu Hodžinog režima pominje "da vlada Albanije podržava ideju ujedinjenja svih Albanaca".
- Mi smo, kada su i koliko dopuštale okolnosti, svim silama podržavali Kosovare. I mi smo za to da se oni ujedine s Albanijom jer bi to osiguralo nacionalno jedinstvo - pisao je ministar Hazbiju.
www.novosti.rs/vesti/planeta.300.html:422464-Albanske-vodje-planirale-prisvajanje-Kosova </STRONG></DIV>
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Post by Balkaneros on Mar 3, 2013 14:31:59 GMT -5
maybe you're getting how I differentiate "Albanian" and "alb/albanian/albo(s)"
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Post by Balkaneros on Mar 3, 2013 13:11:28 GMT -5
Call us whatever you want, the fact is we were documented as existing way before you, and you were indegenous... what does this say about the "great" albanians who amounted to nothing? So? The Albanians were lucky to just survive (in an ethnic sense) when they could have easily gone the way of the dodo. We've survived the Greeks, the Romans, the Goths, the Avars, the Slavs, the Normans, the Turks, Imperialism, Italofascism and Communism. We were surrounded by great empires that were no friends to us with all their deep wells of money, culture and millions strong manpower and Albanians survived. It could have easily gone the other way and no one would have missed us, but we survived and we are happy about that. The trouble with the "great" and glorious achievements of the past is that they are in the past. A past long dead and gone. Look at the modern greeks ... lol. Although I'll admit that our own record is spotty. But I think that Albania's best days are in the future. Our final chapter has not been written yet. The Albanians survived, this is something to be proud of and does deserve recognition in terms of glory, however that's a slippery slope as we see it almost always gets taken to the next level and lost in various interpretation of "context". With rex I am trying to highlight certain realities, which in the end comes off as useless cause we end up speaking to each other in a condescending manner and who wants to read or follow that.
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Post by Balkaneros on Mar 3, 2013 0:47:01 GMT -5
How many albanians know it was the Serbian monastery to first document Skanderbeg? The earliest existing record of George's name is the First Act of Hilandar from 1426, when Gjon Kastrioti and his four sons donated the right to the proceeds from taxes collected from the two villages to the Monastery of Hilandar.[20] Afterwards, in the period between 1426 and 1431,[21] Gjon Kastrioti and his sons, with the exception of Stanisha, purchased four adelphates (rights to reside on monastic territory and receive subsidies from monastic resources) to the Saint George tower and to some property within the monastery as stated in the Second Act of Hilandar.[20][22] en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skanderbeg
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Post by Balkaneros on Mar 2, 2013 21:32:45 GMT -5
Call us whatever you want, the fact is we were documented as existing way before you, and you were indegenous... what does this say about the "great" albanians who amounted to nothing?
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Post by Balkaneros on Mar 2, 2013 21:01:20 GMT -5
what victim ploy thats the alb card and you can have it but make sure you hang unto it dearly cause it's all you have. I am only stating facts gramps. Croats, Bosnians and albies were all destorying anything Serbian, and you openely ignorantly deny that. lmfao @ the Muslim alb defending the churches....
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Post by Balkaneros on Mar 2, 2013 20:43:30 GMT -5
I was just curious .....maybe i should of messaged you .... anyways ...as much a sham as serbian is When Croats, Bosnian and Albanians decide to rebuild everything Serbian they destroyed maybe then... geez you complain about one side doing wrong, when all three sides were doing the same wrong to us. You're not one who understands justice so that coversation would go nowere.
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Post by Balkaneros on Mar 2, 2013 20:29:46 GMT -5
What does this have to do with the albanian identity being a sham?
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Post by Balkaneros on Mar 2, 2013 19:59:57 GMT -5
you are confusing the terms. There is a clear distinguish between Greater Albania and Ethnic Albania. Actually both terms are a fallacy. The Albanian ethnos is heavily mixed, so anything "ethnic Albanian" is relative. greater albania never existed, as in... it's something new/born yesterday per say. therefore, you are the confused one.
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Post by Balkaneros on Mar 2, 2013 19:51:29 GMT -5
Is there anything that you guys can really call your own? They just need to aknowledge Albania's Christian history no matter how sour that may sound. The communists did everything to erase this, even going as far as to telling the people what names they should be giving to their babies..."stemming out Christian names"... I don't think so... they did everything to stem out SLAVIC names. Our board member Valmir is an example of a surviving Slavic name among Albanians.
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Post by Balkaneros on Mar 2, 2013 19:44:27 GMT -5
Dukes... wouldn't at least half of those Greek names be claimed by Albanians anyway? List of Albanian Grand Viziers
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Post by Balkaneros on Mar 2, 2013 19:38:40 GMT -5
A Greater Albania would not make sense unless a Free State of Arbanites is born in Peloponnese. I remember you writing about having Arbanites on your side while you were writing to me. You sure they are still on your side while you type this kind of Semitic schit? A "greater" albania doesn't make sense period. This sort of logic is archaic - to break off land from neighbouring countries based on ethnicity. How come the Italians don't cry about their minority in Austria and demand border changes based on "having all Italians in ONE country"? how about the French monority in Switzerland? ... you guys are striving for something that everyone else HAD ALREADY in their history and that is an empire. A little late for that. This "greater" albania project is an Islamic experiment in the heart of Europe more than anything. Why do you think your middle-eastern Allies always bring up Islam...I understand many albos don't take religion seriously but this is the deal you signed when you sold your soul. think with your head up not with it up your ass.
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Post by Balkaneros on Mar 2, 2013 18:26:35 GMT -5
the Albanians gave them away .....the neo greeks have their ancients in modern Day Turkey its like you slavs trying to claim Constantine the great bcs of Nish being now in serbia get over yourself this thread has nothing to do with albanians.
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Post by Balkaneros on Mar 2, 2013 18:23:23 GMT -5
"Slav" comes from the Proto-Slavic word "Slovo" meaning "Word".
Either way, I was talking about "Servia" and its' significance with "Servo".
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Post by Balkaneros on Mar 2, 2013 17:24:40 GMT -5
The prime minister has been criticised after he opposed calls to return the Parthenon Marbles to Greece and the Koh-i-Noor diamond to India.The Parthenon Marbles Friezes and pediment figures which decorated the Parthenon temple in Athens, built 447-432 BC. Many were removed by agents of the British diplomat Lord Elgin in the early 19th Century, and eventually sold to the British Museum. Most of the surviving sculptures are roughly equally divided between London and Athens. Greece has repeatedly demanded that the British Museum marbles be returned to Athens. The British Committee for the Reunification of the Parthenon Marbles, formed in 1983, supports the Greek demand. Athens' new Acropolis Museum opened in 2009. It is designed to display all the surviving sculptures, in their original layout. .... However, Eddie O'Hara, chairman of the British Committee for the Reunification of the Parthenon Marbles (BCRPM), said calls for the return of the Marbles were "probably unique... the reunification of the integral sculptured components of a Unesco world heritage monument, acquired in circumstances that were at best dubious, in an act of cultural vandalism." The sculptures were acquired by the British envoy Lord Elgin in the early 19th Century under a permit from Greece's Turkish rulers which is contested by many observers. The Greek government, the BCRPM and other supporters of their return say they should be reunited with other sculptures from the temple which have always remained in Athens. Former Labour MP Mr O'Hara also criticised Mr Cameron for calling them the "Elgin" Marbles - a term the British Museum no longer generally uses www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-21623965
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Post by Balkaneros on Mar 2, 2013 14:28:58 GMT -5
Without the Ottomans the Albanians would be a different people totally. They hate this reality which is why they fall back in claiming ancient Greece and Illyrians.
This sort of nationalism is mostly driven by Islam, many Albanians see Kosovo as an islamic success in the heart of Europe (lots of pro-turks-pro-Ottomans there) - they same as how Saudi, Oman, Quatar, United Arab Emirates, Pakistan (and the list goes on) see it.
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Post by Balkaneros on Mar 2, 2013 13:51:40 GMT -5
I agree with Kanaris' interpretation the facts today say everything, after he died Albania changed forever.
What most of the people here don't realize is if religion never mattered to him why did he convert back? It's very well documented that Skanderbeg put a lot of his faith in the Church (spiritually and institutionally) the most detailed inscriptions are found in Albania's monasteries, direct quotes.
The greater epic/myth would have been if he stayed Muslim and still united the Albanians under the pretext that religion didn't matter "blood-family" above all and maybe start falling back on some ancient claims most Albanians advocate today. Then maybe the Albanians today would have some leverage with Skanderbeg.
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