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Post by Balkaneros on Feb 27, 2013 12:42:21 GMT -5
doesn't smell good .....but I dont trust that Source: Darker Net if its true .....Golden Down wins Correction: If it's true... Golden Dawn is right. This is what I seeing from the start maybe now you're beginning to get what I was questioning. This current Greek Government is NOT Greek by any means.
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Post by Balkaneros on Feb 26, 2013 16:03:22 GMT -5
Rex, you albanians were isolated people living in mountain ranges when the Slavs came to the Balkans the majority of the land they inhabited was empty. You guys didn't come by till long after and evidence of that is EVERYWHERE.
The Southern Slavs were never documented as warrior-conqueror like people, they were agricultural, they followed the land. The Albanians didn't come out till we appeared.
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Post by Balkaneros on Feb 26, 2013 15:42:05 GMT -5
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Post by Balkaneros on Feb 26, 2013 15:36:19 GMT -5
we gave the world emperors, popes, warriors and pashas the names of which are etched in the annals of history, this smear campaign against the albs is getting old when facts stare you in the face, the fact that we liberated greece is achievement enough, some gratitude is in order methinks. the case of kosova is a complicated one, if greeks hadn't renamed 99% of toponyms in northern greece then slavs would be salivating over it too and calling it their own, perhaps we should do the same in kosova so they will shut the f**k up. Serbs and Greeks have mutual respect for one another as Balkan nations, by your logic the STILL TODAY Slavic named villages in Albania give us "reason" to call it our own.
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Post by Balkaneros on Feb 26, 2013 11:55:47 GMT -5
Your kosovar has the arab look... the others are europeans with mustaches.. I seriously couldn't tell the difference...
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Post by Balkaneros on Feb 26, 2013 11:43:49 GMT -5
You are probably the only legitimate Albanian in the forum - I don't mean to bring in religion but it's most likely that your family was christian from the beginning and remained so. This is what Skanderbeg was fighting for. The others are just Turks.
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Post by Balkaneros on Feb 26, 2013 11:30:50 GMT -5
Ajax, what about the 300 words or so that Romanian and Albanian share, and which have been identified as belonging to the Daco-Illyrian substratum? Most of these words are exclusive to these two languages. If Albanians had migrated from the Caucasus in late Antiquity or early Middle Ages, Albanian would not have had those words in its lexicon. any words that Romanians have in common with Albanians is only bcs of Roman empire ....300 words are smalll amount anyways when it comes to languages this is true, you have over 1000 Slavic words.
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Post by Balkaneros on Feb 26, 2013 11:27:13 GMT -5
there were no nations back then moron, no institutions to impart knowledge or preserve identity, people were trying to survive, it was the same s**t everywhere else, the idea of nations only emerged in the 18'th centuary onwards...but that's neither here nor there,
the point is that resurrection implies continuity, so you are admitting that we are the descendends of the natives. What institutions did the Illyrians have to help preserve their continuation? National memory is different. We can analyze through language, naming, myths/culture, music and poetry.... nothing Illyrian. It wasn't until the communists when Albanians were beginning to name their children with Illyrian names, prior to that it was Muslim names.... and before that it was Slavic names.
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Post by Balkaneros on Feb 25, 2013 20:17:37 GMT -5
rex is full of contradictory it boggles the mind
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Post by Balkaneros on Feb 25, 2013 19:53:26 GMT -5
man... your're ignoring the evidence in your own backyard. ignore ...? ahahahahahahah YOU DELETE MY POSTS ...... you delete such items that I post that burn you .....like for example ... when it comes to serbian literature ......we don't find secular literature at all but only ecclesiastical literature until the end of the 18th century
and its even a shame to call it "serbian literature"when in fact its Old Church Slavonic.....and that only consists in fact of 3-4 major texts for nearly 900 years.
and the most recent being epic poems ......
your serbian is a sham just like greeks are .....a melting pot of people that are simply united by a common religion . I deleted your posts because you derail the argument from where it starts. That's your propaganda tactic, you don't argue or debate anything you just look for reasons to SPAM the thread with random information and pictures.
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Post by Balkaneros on Feb 25, 2013 18:51:38 GMT -5
Everything you post is of no importance. We know literally nothing of illyrians, pelasgians, and thracians, so everything these authors say has no proof whatsoever. Rex, I recommend that you start thinking for yourself and listen to common sense. we know that you ignore them all and don't even look at them for over a second man... your're ignoring the evidence in your own backyard.
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Post by Balkaneros on Feb 25, 2013 17:52:05 GMT -5
Could've, should've but didn't. That's what I get from those clippings. You had a chance to even outlive the Illyrian legacy and have Balkan as your own but didn't due to not being capable of INFLUENCING. But how is this possible when you were always ruling your own.... as you guys even say. How did you allow all those 10's of thousand village names In Albania to be named by Slavs to be Slavic... the Illyrians or even Albanians couldn't influence their own .... is what you're telling me? Many Albanians today even have Slavic first names, they only albaznise them. Think for yourselves and just look around... what/where/who Illyrian?!?!?!?!?!!?!?! ?
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Post by Balkaneros on Feb 25, 2013 17:43:54 GMT -5
Everything you post is of no importance. We know literally nothing of illyrians, pelasgians, and thracians, so everything these authors say has no proof whatsoever. Rex, I recommend that you start thinking for yourself and listen to common sense. The sources they use don't even answer the most important questions. Why did it have to take an oppressive communict regime to "revive" these claims, when their own ancestors prior to Hoxha's time were'nt holding this position.
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Post by Balkaneros on Feb 25, 2013 17:32:43 GMT -5
brainless tit, revive means resurrecting smth that was there, its not inventing, you just owned yourself, tsk tsk tsk these fool ass kids. Why would it need to be ressurected or revived? You were living as tribes back then, no-one ruler over you was oppressing your history and identity. This is what I mean by National-amnesia figuretively.
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Post by Balkaneros on Feb 25, 2013 17:22:23 GMT -5
Albanian nationalismis a general grouping of nationalist ideas and concepts among ethnic Albanians that were first formed in the beginning of 19th century in what was called the Albanian National Awakening. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albanian_nationalismThere was no nationalism or common consciousness prior to that.Continued... Parts of these ideologies were adopted during the Socialist People's Republic of Albania (1945–1991), which was more focused on the Illyrian-Albanian continuity issue and appropriating Ancient Greek history as Albanian. During the Hoxha era, scholars, and particularly archeologists, were impelled to establish a connection between the ancient Illyrians and Albanians. .... Albanian nationalism attaches great importance to the possibility of Illyrian contribution to Albanian ethnogenesis. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albanian_nationalismAs you can see there is no such thing as real-albanian nationalism... only the POSSIBLE connection to the Illyrians... that is all.A now obsolete theory on the origin of the Albanians is that they descend from the Pelasgians, a broad term used by classical authors to denote the autochthonous inhabitants of Greece. This theory was developed by the Austrian linguist Johann Georg von Hahn in his work Albanesiche Studien in 1854. According to Hahn, the Pelasgians were the original proto-Albanians and the language spoken by the Pelasgians, Illyrians, Epirotes and ancient Macedonians were closely related. This theory quickly attracted support in Albanian circles, as it established a claim of predecence over other Balkan nations, particularly the Greeks.again... you can see the motive. It was never about ancestrial understandings but about territorial claims - which in effect spits in the face of all those "they claim" to be their ancestors... [backwards logic at it's finest].MOVING ON.... In Communist Albania, an Illyrian origin of the Albanians (without denying Pelasgian roots a theory which has been revitalized today) continued to play a significant role in Albanian nationalism, resulting in a revival of given names suppposedly of "Illyrian" origin, at the expense of given names associated with Christianity. At first, Albanian nationalist writers opted for the Pelasgians as the forefathers of the Albanians, but as this form of nationalism flourished in communist Albania under Enver Hoxha, the Pelasgians became a secondary element to the Illyrian theory of Albanian origins, which could claim some support in scholarship. .. SO as Kanaris pointed out - it all depends on what side of the bed they awoke from, and what position was more convenient to hold at the time. Playing hop-skotch.Under the regime of Enver Hoxha, an autochthonous ethnogenesis was promoted and physical anthropologists tried to demonstrate that Albanians were different from any other Indo-European populations, a theory now disproved. Look how far and well Hoxha went to sway you people... I am amazed.... and more.... Nationalist theories developed during communism have survived largely intact into the present day. The Pelasgian theory especially has been revitalized today. Everyone knows (except albanians) that it was Hoxha who REVITALIZED these theories, in which many are continued to be instilled in your little brainwashed heads today.The supposed "Illyrian" names that the communist regime generated continue to be used today and to be considered of Illyrian origin. The museum in the capital, Tirana, has a bust Pyrrhus of Epirus (an ancient Greek) next to the bust of Teuta (an Illyrian), and under that of Scanderbeg, a medieval Albanian. ^ this is nation-making in effect. All of this have no weight, the fact is that albanians have every right to name their kids with illyrian names, the key problem for you, since you seem to have problem with it is, disprove the fact that ancestors of albanians are illyrians, till then everything that you post here have no value. You're getting emotional. I don't care what albanians name their kids, THE POINT it was never "albanian tradition" to name their kids by Illyrian names prior to the communists.
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Post by Balkaneros on Feb 24, 2013 16:49:47 GMT -5
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Post by Balkaneros on Feb 24, 2013 16:48:04 GMT -5
Notice how many times words like "revived", "revival" and "re-introduced" are being used.
What's there to revive if this is what you are and always were?
(side point: where was albanian nationalism during the Ottoman times? ... this seems to be the period where it would be most needed)
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Post by Balkaneros on Feb 24, 2013 16:46:13 GMT -5
Albanian nationalismis a general grouping of nationalist ideas and concepts among ethnic Albanians that were first formed in the beginning of 19th century in what was called the Albanian National Awakening. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albanian_nationalismThere was no nationalism or common consciousness prior to that.Continued... Parts of these ideologies were adopted during the Socialist People's Republic of Albania (1945–1991), which was more focused on the Illyrian-Albanian continuity issue and appropriating Ancient Greek history as Albanian. During the Hoxha era, scholars, and particularly archeologists, were impelled to establish a connection between the ancient Illyrians and Albanians. .... Albanian nationalism attaches great importance to the possibility of Illyrian contribution to Albanian ethnogenesis. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albanian_nationalismAs you can see there is no such thing as real-albanian nationalism... only the POSSIBLE connection to the Illyrians... that is all.A now obsolete theory on the origin of the Albanians is that they descend from the Pelasgians, a broad term used by classical authors to denote the autochthonous inhabitants of Greece. This theory was developed by the Austrian linguist Johann Georg von Hahn in his work Albanesiche Studien in 1854. According to Hahn, the Pelasgians were the original proto-Albanians and the language spoken by the Pelasgians, Illyrians, Epirotes and ancient Macedonians were closely related. This theory quickly attracted support in Albanian circles, as it established a claim of predecence over other Balkan nations, particularly the Greeks.again... you can see the motive. It was never about ancestrial understandings but about territorial claims - which in effect spits in the face of all those "they claim" to be their ancestors... [backwards logic at it's finest].MOVING ON.... In Communist Albania, an Illyrian origin of the Albanians (without denying Pelasgian roots a theory which has been revitalized today) continued to play a significant role in Albanian nationalism, resulting in a revival of given names suppposedly of "Illyrian" origin, at the expense of given names associated with Christianity. At first, Albanian nationalist writers opted for the Pelasgians as the forefathers of the Albanians, but as this form of nationalism flourished in communist Albania under Enver Hoxha, the Pelasgians became a secondary element to the Illyrian theory of Albanian origins, which could claim some support in scholarship. .. SO as Kanaris pointed out - it all depends on what side of the bed they awoke from, and what position was more convenient to hold at the time. Playing hop-skotch.Under the regime of Enver Hoxha, an autochthonous ethnogenesis was promoted and physical anthropologists tried to demonstrate that Albanians were different from any other Indo-European populations, a theory now disproved. Look how far and well Hoxha went to sway you people... I am amazed.... and more.... Nationalist theories developed during communism have survived largely intact into the present day. The Pelasgian theory especially has been revitalized today. Everyone knows (except albanians) that it was Hoxha who REVITALIZED these theories, in which many are continued to be instilled in your little brainwashed heads today.The supposed "Illyrian" names that the communist regime generated continue to be used today and to be considered of Illyrian origin. The museum in the capital, Tirana, has a bust Pyrrhus of Epirus (an ancient Greek) next to the bust of Teuta (an Illyrian), and under that of Scanderbeg, a medieval Albanian. ^ this is nation-making in effect.
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Post by Balkaneros on Feb 24, 2013 16:25:55 GMT -5
someone give this guy (rex) the SPAMMER tag
someone = kanaris Kurva UZ Seljak! ... you know I'm right
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Post by Balkaneros on Feb 24, 2013 16:05:40 GMT -5
someone give this guy (rex) the SPAMMER tag
someone = kanaris
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