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Post by Teuta1975 on Aug 16, 2008 3:19:55 GMT -5
Should Albanians in Greece (especially those who are born there) get the Greek citizenship?
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Post by albquietman on Aug 16, 2008 3:23:55 GMT -5
I think not only the ones that are born there, but all of them that are legally in Greece should get greek citizenship...
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Post by Teuta1975 on Aug 16, 2008 3:25:56 GMT -5
Why do you think so AlbQ?
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Post by albquietman on Aug 16, 2008 3:32:18 GMT -5
Because, first is about human rights. These people have been in the country long enough to deserve it, and of course I'm talking about the people that are there legally. Second, these people pay taxes, so they deserve to get treated right by the state that get their money.
I think that in the today's world how civilized a country is depends how it treats its immigrants...
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Post by Kastorianos on Aug 16, 2008 3:40:41 GMT -5
The ones that were born in Greece yes, but not every albanian that lives legally in Greece, thats bullsh.it.
There should be particular requirements put for those, for example 7 years (for example) of permanent living and working in Greece. This way it is in every other european country. The Albanians of Greece souldnt be treated privileged, why should they, none owes them anything.
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Post by albquietman on Aug 16, 2008 3:44:53 GMT -5
Nobody says they should feel privileged, but they should get what your parents got in Germany according to the laws of course...
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Post by Teuta1975 on Aug 16, 2008 3:47:35 GMT -5
If it is " this way in every European country" (in 7 years immigrants get the passport), then my concern is not why should Albanians in Greece be treated privileged, but why should Greece be treated privileged within EU when it comes to this issue and instead of 7 years it is (maybe) 777 years? (But I am not sure for European laws though..I just know that some of my friends who are in Italy and Germany from 13 years now) got their citizenship...
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Post by Kastorianos on Aug 16, 2008 4:02:19 GMT -5
My parents didnt ever get the German citizenship, also not after 7 years of living and working there. Every time their residence permit ran off, they had to be afraid of not getting it renewed. Thats was in the 70s. You always think only Greece is making things so difficult for immigrants...
I dont know why, I dont know the Greek laws.
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Post by albquietman on Aug 16, 2008 4:09:08 GMT -5
I know Europian countries didn't have clear immigration laws back then Kastor, you're right about it. But they do now, and Greece doesn't need to go all the way back where these countries were before in order to make up some laws that already exist in other Europian countries today...
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Post by beratsimistrec on Aug 16, 2008 22:17:06 GMT -5
Shqiptaret ne Greqi jane bere me Grek se Greket...
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Post by ngadhnjyesi on Aug 17, 2008 10:23:44 GMT -5
What's the first thing that an Albanian would want to do once he's granted Greek citizenship? Therein lies your answer.
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Post by donnie on Aug 17, 2008 10:32:22 GMT -5
Ne vazhdimisht mllefosemi me politikën greke në Greqi sa u përket minoritetëve dhe refuzimi për t'i ofruar atyre shkollim në gjuhën e nënës. Por nëse shikohet nga një anë objektive, synimi i Greqisë është mbrojtja e interesave kombëtare, në mesin e të cilit është ruajtja e qenies greke dhe ruajtja e gjuhës si dhe e ndërgjegjjes kombëtare që nënkupton vetëdijësimin e grekëve etnik dhe 'integrimin' (ose asimilimin) e elementëve të huaj/ardhacak, si p.sh. shqiptarët.
Ndërsa ne, që nuk jemi në BE, u ofrojmë minoritetin grek dhe atij grekoman të gjitha kushtet për kultivimin dhe ruajtjen e identitetit "vorio-epiriot"; madje u lehtësojmë punën e rekrutimit të njerëzve për të zmadhuar numrin e minoritetit grekoman pasi që numri i tyre ('grekëve') do të zvogëlohej në një ritëm të ndjeshëm nëse i lihej natyrës .... shumica e të rinjve si duket e synojnë Greqinë dhe shumica e të mbeturve së shpejti po hyjnë në vitët e pleqërisë.
Për hir të subjektivizmit unë nuk po them se ky vështrim i imi të jetë shkak i ndalimit të kërkimit për të drejtat e shqiptarëve mërgimtar për shkollim në gjuhën greke, por thjesht të marrim mësim nga grekët me përvojë ... Greqia ka qenë gjithmonë një vend ku kanë zbritur pushtues dhe ardhacak të kombësive të ndryshme, dhe prapsëprap është ruajtur gjuha, kultura dhe identiteti grek; madje është një vend (nëse nuk i kemi parasysh mërgimtarët shqiptarë të vitëve '90 dhe mërgimtarët e tjerë të vonshëm) homogjen, apo 100% grek si thonë ata vet!
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Post by Kanaris on Aug 17, 2008 10:42:35 GMT -5
It's not up to Greece to grant citizenship but to the EEC... cause they have to live with decisions made by Greece.
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Post by epiroti on Aug 17, 2008 15:22:48 GMT -5
Speaking out of empathy for the albanians in greece, I would like to see them getting the citizenship so their lives get easier. Of course, it should be done like in all other EU countries - we're not asking for priviliges. But speaking from a point of view that benefits Albania more, I wouldn't want to see those albs get citizenship - rather some sort of Travel Document. One that gives them similar rights to citizenship, but has to be renewed every 4-5 years. I am saying this because I would like to see the albs there in a position that is not too comfortable (that sounds harsher than I intended), so as many as possible leave that country when we get into the EU. That way Greece loses most of its leverage in albanian politics. Also, more albanians would be far more likely to return to albania for good, thus our country getting expertise and (their) investments.
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Post by meltdown711 on Aug 17, 2008 20:11:00 GMT -5
I agree with you...
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Post by atlantis on Aug 17, 2008 20:49:32 GMT -5
I don't understand for what reason an albanian need a Grrek citizenship.....
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Post by Kanaris on Aug 17, 2008 21:19:03 GMT -5
You guys realized that a dump like Jamaica has a better economy than Albania? This improvised Caribbean country run by blacks has an economy that surpasses yours.If it wasn't for Italy and Greece.... Albanian would have self imploded. Now you talk big about chitting on Greece once you make enough money ... don't forget the final decision on weather you join Europe rests with Greece.
I think Albanians in Greece will ultimately make the decision on weather to move out..not you internet warriors.
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Post by Kanaris on Aug 17, 2008 21:20:12 GMT -5
I don't understand for what reason an albanian need a Grrek citizenship..... To vote?
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Post by Prespari on Aug 18, 2008 0:20:30 GMT -5
CAMS ARE THE FIRST IN THE ALBANIAN LINE FOR CITIZENSHIP ! others come second !
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Post by beratsimistrec on Aug 18, 2008 14:56:13 GMT -5
CAMS ARE THE FIRST IN THE ALBANIAN LINE FOR CITIZENSHIP ! others come second ! avash re avash...qetesohu. pse u duhet "Greek citizenship" Cameve?? Camet jane shperndare neper Shqiperi, ata qe jetojne ne GerrQI jane bere me keq se Greket. Per mendimin tim, Camet duhet te marin ALBANIAN citizenship dhe te rikthehen ne tokat e tyre so they can eventually claim independence tamam si ne Kosove.
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