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Post by chalkedon on Oct 13, 2008 8:18:21 GMT -5
fyrom....i swear that country sticks out like a hore in a church.
Just divide in 3 and maybe just maybe the balkans might stabalise a little. And republika srbska would be a nice addition to the neighborhood instead.
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Post by panagiotopoulos on Oct 13, 2008 8:55:06 GMT -5
Why do you group all Macedonians as though they all share the same opinion? Personally, I don't think I'm in any way linked to ancient Macedonians and I'm sure there are others out there who also think like me. But then again, I'm from the north of the country and those in the south have more right to think otherwise. Honestly, a lot of Serbs are actually driving Macedonians away from any kind of friendship by pigheaded comments like the above. You don't agree with the situation, fine, but don't be such an arsehole about it. He is not being an arsehole.... I am flattered as should most most Greeks be.
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Post by rex362 on Oct 13, 2008 12:44:15 GMT -5
nikolaa....don't worry dude ....nema problema .I got your back
these serbs here are using you as their punching bag.. don't sweat it
what Macedonia did was late ...but necessary for its own good and future survival as a country of 2 million mixed people
* all you have to tell these serbs is worry about your kin in Montenegro that recognized Kosova
its like as if their wife cheated them and now their taking it out on the fella that lives down the street (unless you did her ;D)
and if the 20,000 serbs in Macedonia dont like it get your azzes back to your Krajina's you got kicked out of ....or just relax and go with the flow ...
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Post by Nikola on Oct 13, 2008 16:52:15 GMT -5
Thanks Rex. It's just so annoying when I hear insulting comments from Serbs, of all people. I can understand when Greeks don't like us and also Albanians but I never thought of Serbs as my enemy.
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Post by rex362 on Oct 13, 2008 17:26:13 GMT -5
can understand when Greeks don't like us and also Albanians but I never thought of Serbs as my enemy.
Greeks --> again don't worry just just hug your local Albanian ..we got your back
Serbs ---> live and learn ...what can I say ...but now you know
Albanians ----> we within just want some of the pie also komshia .. Group hug
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Post by Novi Pazar on Oct 13, 2008 17:53:09 GMT -5
"Honestly, a lot of Serbs are actually driving Macedonians away from any kind of friendship by pigheaded comments like the above. You don't agree with the situation, fine, but don't be such an arsehole about it."
How can there be a friendship when vardars action toward greece and serbia is unacceptable.
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Post by rex362 on Oct 13, 2008 18:49:39 GMT -5
Novi ...just tell him the truth ...tell him that they have always been less than pawns for serbian anything ..
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Post by Nikola on Oct 14, 2008 1:00:29 GMT -5
How can there be a friendship when vardars action toward greece and serbia is unacceptable. I've been reading derogatory comments from Serbs on this board (and many others) way before Macedonia recognised Kosovo. For years in fact. And what does our dispute with Greece have to do with Serbia?
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Post by Emperor AAdmin on Oct 14, 2008 7:52:44 GMT -5
Thanks Rex. It's just so annoying when I hear insulting comments from Serbs, of all people. I can understand when Greeks don't like us and also Albanians but I never thought of Serbs as my enemy. Easy there. First let me welcome you to our forums and second it is nice to see a 'Macedonian' here. Second I also do not agree with certain things but still feel close affinity to slavophone 'Macedonians' as being close kin to Serbs and there is no need to view Serbs as enemy. If anything 'Macedonia' is the only part of Yugo that Serbs didn't show any designs upon in any shape or form while you showed big sympathy towards Serbs during the bombing raids in 1999. I believe these two nations to be brothers irregardless of what some might be said here and irregardless of the fact that Serbs and Greeks are very close allies and on where as a Serbs I support Greek position on Macedonian issue (personally there I believe name 'New Macedonia' would solve the problem).
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Post by givemebeer on Oct 14, 2008 14:40:19 GMT -5
We could just give FYR of Macedonia to Bosnia, and call it south Bosnia, Bosnians and Macedonians do not seem to hate each other, so why not... It would solve the name Issue... Skoplje -South Bosnia..
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Post by Nikola on Oct 14, 2008 17:48:41 GMT -5
I agree, New Macedonia or North Macedonia should be acceptable. But, there are some fairly patriotic people who simply don't know when to accept a compromise.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Oct 14, 2008 21:33:33 GMT -5
"And what does our dispute with Greece have to do with Serbia?"
Greece is Balkans just like serbia and serbs arn't going to support a nation that is against our friend/brother/ally territorial integrity.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Oct 14, 2008 21:36:30 GMT -5
No name that contains the word Macedonia, l will support. New Macedonia etc....still leaves the door open in the future for these people to revert back to their own old ways. Macedonia is a Hellenic name and it has never related to the slavs.
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Post by serban on Oct 15, 2008 1:03:16 GMT -5
'Macedonians' are nothing but Bulgarians. I am Romanian and I don't speak Bulgarian well, below average in any case, but even I understand 'Macedonian'. I have been reading the FYROMian version of this site en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bulgarian_languageand I understood almost everything. I don't know if FYROMians understand Bulgarian as completely as Bulgarians understand FYROMian though. Yes but you will ask: Bulgarians understand Serbian quite well although not completely and that doesn't mean that Serbs are Bulgarians. You may be right there. The thing is the 'Macedonian' dialects in Bulgarian/Pirin 'Macedonia' have way less Serbian words than standard FYROMian and FYROMian dialects from FYROM. The vocabulary is almost identical to that of official Bulgarian, the Pirin 'Macedonians' use all those Russian words that are absent in official FYROMian and Serbian and none of the very many Serbian words that have been borrowed by the FYROMian dialects after 1912-1913 and none of those that have been inserted into the 'Macedonian' standard language when it was created in 1944. To give you an example exporter is izvoznik in FYROMian and Serbian and iznositel in Bulgarian (probably a Russian word). So I would image that a 'Macedonian' from Pirin region of Bulgaria and a 'Macedonian' from FYROM have many understanding difficulties when they talk more sophisticated things. I bet there could even be a real Croatian language, not the fake one of today which is not even a Serbian dialect, it's a subdialect (I'm talking about the official Croatian langugage, not the Croatian dialects) if in Croatian were inserted Polish, Czech or Russian words to replace the Serbo-Croatian ones. If the word is similar in Czech and Serbian, insert a Polish or Russian word. Of course the Croatian grammar would still be identical to the Serbian one, unlike the FYROMian grammar which is 90% Bulgarian.
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Post by ioan on Oct 15, 2008 5:45:00 GMT -5
Serban, thank you for your coments. Of course, I could understand nikolaas love for the Serbs, the fyroms have lived over a century under Serbian dominance. I am Bulgarian, and even I sympathise with the serbs (though we have enough arguments to not like them too much just cause of the fyrom issue). The truth is, naturally, fyrom should feel closest to Bulgarians. We speak the same language. Not long time ago the fyroms thought of themselves as Bulgarians. They are known by the world as Bulgarians. At present no one in Bulgaria cares too much or thinks about fyrom. Actually at present we feel closest to Romania and Greece, maybe because of EU, or maybe just because we can go there whenever we like withought any formalities. However that doesnt change the fact that fyroms are Bulgarians who hate Bulgarians.
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Post by Nikola on Oct 15, 2008 7:26:50 GMT -5
At present no one in Bulgaria cares too much or thinks about fyrom. Oh yes, that's pretty obvious by the amount of spamming Bulgarians post on youtube videos and forums like this. If anything, Bulgarians seem to be obsessed with trying to convince the world that we Macedonians are just like them. To the point of looking truly pathetic.
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Post by Arxileas on Oct 15, 2008 7:51:31 GMT -5
nikolaa firstly welcome, good to have you with us.
A question I would like to ask you, does a Macedonian ethnicity exist or has it ever existed ?
P.s. Do not mean to insult you intentionally, a sincere question if I may.
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Post by Nikola on Oct 15, 2008 8:57:07 GMT -5
It exists right now. If it is only since Yugoslavia was formed then Serbs, Greeks and Bulgarians are all responsible for it since they never complained about us previously. Essentially, they allowed a Macedonian identity to develop.
Though I think a Macedonian identity was around before Yugoslavia but that's another argument.
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Post by Trazi Vise on Oct 15, 2008 9:09:03 GMT -5
I agree with you nikolaa, welcome to the forum!
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Post by Arxileas on Oct 15, 2008 9:41:15 GMT -5
No it doesn't, that's why your government was pushing it with the name talks recently to be included “ a Macedonian ethnicity”. There certainly were complaints as far as 1878, when your ancestors were commonly referred to as Bulgarians or Pan Slavists. That' maybe why most people aren't aware of this. I also have news paper articles from the 1940's ? Dispute btw Greece and Yugoslavia, so hence there were indeed complaints and objections. The Times of London Intelligence Reports on The Preliminary Treaty of San Stefano (February 19, March 9, and March 23, 1878). It is very clear from these reports that Great Britain DID NOT agree with the idea of a Greater Bulgaria and points out all the Russian and Bulgarian plans for Greece. I agree. Now do you understand we Greeks have been using this name for as far as we can record history ? And that it is an Hellenic / Greek name, when you use this name not only do you get a new identity, you also will have the right to claim the ancient Hellenic Macedonians of the same name and thus is why you will not get into the E.U also. Are you happy with the name "New Macedonia" ? As far as we Greeks are concerned that’s about the only acceptable name, because we never have denied Slav Macedonians nor do we wish to and that you have nothing to do with the ancient Macedonians. Thanks for your honnesty sincerely.
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