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Post by Emperor AAdmin on Oct 18, 2008 9:54:10 GMT -5
North Macedonia is not acceptable to Greeks as the name is not clear enough (it could still make relation in some peoples minds with ancient Macedonia) and it equalizes it with south Macedonia. Calling it New Macedonia on the other hand makes a clear distinction with the ancient Macedonia and it is the most correct term to call it for at least several reasons; 1) It is new from a ethic viewpoint as it doesn't relate to ancient one. 2) It is new from a linguistic viewpoint as it doesn't ..... to ancient one. 3) It is situated in the territory of ancient Peonia that was added to old Hellenic Macedonia (thus even it is a new territory). 4) It is a new identity that is not even a century old. New Macedonia is a precise term, to the point and clearly separates it from old Macedonia (which was Hellenic kingdom in terms of language, social/societal structure and overall culture and situated in what is now Greek province of Macedonia which is also the closest thing to the modern successor of the ancient one). Athens needs to firmly adapt this position and stick to it at all times and argue it with Skopje which I believe would eventually accept it I believe (although many local nationalists would be greatly angered after doing so). Some leading greek figures (such as Mrs Dora Bakoyannis, Minister for Foreign Affairs of Greece, and 'New Democracy') are considering it! alatzias.blogspot.com/2008/05/blog-post_2863.html
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Post by ilirdardani on Oct 18, 2008 10:03:36 GMT -5
Nova Makedonija
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Post by Emperor AAdmin on Oct 18, 2008 10:10:23 GMT -5
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Post by serban on Oct 18, 2008 12:55:33 GMT -5
www.novamakedonija.com.mk/DesktopDefault.aspx?tabindex=0&tabid=2&fCat=1&EditionID=211&top=1&ArticleID=9460Ìàêåäîíè¼à òðåáà äà êàíäèñà ñàìî 33 äðæàâè çà ðåçîëóöè¼à âî ÎÍ My translation of the title and the first two paragraphs. The words whose meaning I'm not sure of have (?) behind them: FYROM needs to convince (?) only 33 countries in order for them to vote the UN resolution. Only 33 countries of the total 192 which compose the General Assembly of the United Nations must vote "for" in order for FYROM to get "sovetodavno mislenye" (sovet-council, davam-to give, mislenye, mislyam (Bulgaria Bulgarian version), mislam(?) (FYROM Bulgarian version)-to think, mislenye (?)) (sovetodavno mislenye-justice recognizing decision (?)) from the International Justice Tribunal in the Hague regarding the quarrel with Greece over the name. This measure together with the possibility for FYROM to begin/to conduct, to make a lawsuit against Greece are being proposed by experts in international right as the right way with which can be put an end to the unsuccessful political negociations mediated by the mediator Matthew Nimitz from who we got mainly pro-Greek propositions for FYROM name. And I speak Bulgarian below average. Now I realize I speak FYROMian as well.
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Post by rusebg on Oct 18, 2008 13:15:41 GMT -5
Take care, you might become a polyglot ;D I hope some day you won't have to say that you speak Moldovian as well.
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Post by serban on Oct 18, 2008 13:24:09 GMT -5
sovetodavno mislenye=recommendation (?) sovetodaven-probably from Serbian and indirectly from German Ratgeber-advice giver There are many Serbian loan translations from German
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Post by rusebg on Oct 18, 2008 13:26:47 GMT -5
More like advice-giving. And yes, recommendation is all right.
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Post by serban on Oct 18, 2008 13:29:41 GMT -5
Take care, you might become a polyglot ;D I hope some day you won't have to say that you speak Moldovian as well. LOL Maybe I will try to learn Timok Vlach language. That would indeed be a chalange considering they speak an antiquated "language" full of Serb words. For instance instead of "strada principalã" (main street) they say "uliþa glavnã" (In standard Romanian "uliþã" means village street).
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Post by rusebg on Oct 18, 2008 13:36:58 GMT -5
Hmm, seems to me that Vlahs in Bulgaria have preserved their language in purer form. Or it is just me who can get only the common words in the two languages when I listen to them speaking.
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Post by Nikola on Oct 18, 2008 17:42:30 GMT -5
North Macedonia is not acceptable to Greeks as the name is not clear enough (it could still make relation in some peoples minds with ancient Macedonia) and it equalizes it with south Macedonia. Calling it New Macedonia on the other hand makes a clear distinction with the ancient Macedonia and it is the most correct term to call it for at least several reasons; 1) It is new from a ethic viewpoint as it doesn't relate to ancient one. 2) It is new from a linguistic viewpoint as it doesn't ..... to ancient one. 3) It is situated in the territory of ancient Peonia that was added to old Hellenic Macedonia (thus even it is a new territory). 4) It is a new identity that is not even a century old. New Macedonia is a precise term, to the point and clearly separates it from old Macedonia (which was Hellenic kingdom in terms of language, social/societal structure and overall culture and situated in what is not Greek province of Macedonia which is also the closest thing to the modern successor of the ancient one). Athens needs to firmly adapt this position and stick to it at all times and argue it with Skopje which I believe would eventually accept it I believe (although many local nationalists would be greatly angered after doing so). Some leading greek figures (such as Mrs Dora Bakoyannis, Minister for Foreign Affairs of Greece, and 'New Democracy') are considering it! alatzias.blogspot.com/2008/05/blog-post_2863.html From what I can tell, Dora Bakoyannis has already agreed to Uppper (Northern) Macedonia but she was knocked back. I think my countrymen should have accepted that. Or, like you said, maybe New Macedonia would make more sense. Watch at 2:30sec.
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Post by serban on Oct 19, 2008 1:31:52 GMT -5
Hmm, seems to me that Vlahs in Bulgaria have preserved their language in purer form. Or it is just me who can get only the common words in the two languages when I listen to them speaking. As far as I know they use many Bulgarian words and thier dialect is about as impure as the Vlach dialect from Serbia.
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Post by rusebg on Oct 19, 2008 3:16:00 GMT -5
No idea, to tell you the truth, it is my opinion based on their conversation. But it is natural to adopt words from the country where you live.
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Post by besarab on Oct 20, 2008 0:42:58 GMT -5
once,in the army,a vallach fellow saved my frozen leg....
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Post by Kassandros on Oct 20, 2008 15:46:28 GMT -5
But we will always have the other newspaper... the still puplished one without any pause or stop from 1908... and is the No 1 newspaper in Thessaloniki regarding sales. The trademarked is booked for this planet www.makthes.gr/
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Post by Kassandros on Oct 20, 2008 15:51:23 GMT -5
By the way guys... the problem is not only the name. The problem is their philosophy and their plans who are not friendly so as to become an ally country in Nato and EU. Their whole philosophy and the whole future Gruevski has set up to their youths is hostile. That cannot change... and since that cannot change... there is no need for any kind of "mutual" agrrement or talkings with Nimetz.
Until that fabricated state collapses... there is no future in any kind of talkings
PS. The only bad thing will be that most of the Nazi's that have been raized in Fyrom will be absorbed by Bulgaria... and they will bring tension between Bulgaria and Greece. Can we rend a spacerocket and send them to Cronus..? It will be a solution for peace in the area..
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Post by rusebg on Oct 20, 2008 15:55:00 GMT -5
I don't think so. These people will not be welcomed in Bulgaria and I really doubt they will want to come here either. After all, they talk crap not only about Greece. Bulgaria is on the fyromian headlines very often too
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Post by Kassandros on Oct 20, 2008 16:09:01 GMT -5
Nicolaa "There are people in Aegean Macedonia, eastern Albania and in western Bulgaria who speak our dialect and also call themselves Macedonians" ------------------------------------------------------------------------- I'm from Macedonia, I call myself Macedonian and my family house is from 1750. According to you and Tito... I'm an ethnic Macedonian since no Greeks were leaving there before refuggess come from Asia Minor in 1922. I'm the one you're searching for from "Aegean Macedonia". Dont try me.... you'll be surpised.
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Post by Kassandros on Oct 20, 2008 16:14:39 GMT -5
..and by the way.. after the following saw the news... I believe everything will stop now. I own to Americans and Gruevski. They help me more than Karamanlis.. www.ekathimerini.com/4dcgi/_w_articles_politics_100010_20/10/2008_101462US-FYROM ‘pact’ upsets diplomats Athens yesterday expressed displeasure in the wake of allegations that a confidential US government document indicates secret cooperation between Skopje and Washington on the Macedonia name dispute. The only negotiations permitted on the name issue are those being mediated by United Nations representative Matthew Nimetz, Greece’s Foreign Ministry spokes-man Giorgos Koumoutsakos said in reaction to a report in yesterday’s Ethnos exposing the alleged cooperation. The newspaper printed extracts from the document suggesting that Greece should be bypassed on the the issue of a supposed Macedonian identity and language. “The language and nationality would be called ‘Macedonian’ but this could be handled tacitly perhaps as an annex... or in some other internal UN document not subject to Greek review/approval,” the text reads. The document was reportedly sent from the US Embassy in Skopje to the US State Department in July, well before Nimetz made his proposal to envoys from Athens and Skopje earlier this month. Nimetz proposed that the Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia (FYROM) be renamed the “Republic of Northern Macedonia.” According to sources, he also raised the issue of a supposed Macedonian language and identity, provoking the anger of Greece, which says it is groundless and has no place in the name talks. Neither side has provided any official response to the proposal yet, with both Athens and Skopje insisting that it should be subject to “several changes.” Reacting to the report yesterday, Koumoutsakos did not directly comment on any alleged cooperation between the USA and FYROM on the Macedonia name issue but reiterated Greece’s stance “which remains clear – a composite name with a geographical determination.”
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Post by rex362 on Oct 20, 2008 16:23:11 GMT -5
^ aahahahah
what took you so long to mention this here...
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Post by Kassandros on Oct 20, 2008 16:35:39 GMT -5
I was watching TV silmutaneously..
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