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Post by rex362 on Oct 10, 2008 19:52:13 GMT -5
Helllo and good evening .....I am proud to announce the new officlal name for FYROM ....
.....................ALMAKOS..............
this is the ultimate new name
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Post by karabin on Oct 12, 2008 11:20:38 GMT -5
The 'Macedonians' should be named Albanonians. Since that is what they will be very soon. Part of Albania. It will be cited: Albanonia is the East Province of Albania where some undereducated gypsies tried to name themselves as the extinct Macedonian race.
The recognition of the illegal independence of the Serbian Province of Kosovo will be at a high price for you Bulgarian offsprings. You will never get into NATO or EU under the Macedonia name.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Oct 12, 2008 19:33:01 GMT -5
"You will never get into NATO or EU under the Macedonia name."
Karabin they are stuffed. There are no excuses whether they are under pressure from Albanians.
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Post by srbobran on Oct 12, 2008 20:16:17 GMT -5
Yeah, and those Albanonias happen to be Serbia's closest ethnic kin. We should try to save them not let them rot under the Shipatrs.
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Post by karabin on Oct 12, 2008 20:28:46 GMT -5
What is there to save? We protected their name under the Yugoslavia roof from Greece. Serbia supported the name Republic of Macedonia. And look how they repay Serbia. They let NATO/American planes be stationed in Macedonia during the Bombing Campaign in 1999 and now they recognized Kosovo. And lets not forget that Greece was always backing us in everything. There are no excuses. 'Macedonians' showed how they stand in the Balkan relations. I will enjoy seeing their export routes through Serbia blocked.
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Post by Nikola on Oct 13, 2008 0:39:20 GMT -5
...where some undereducated gypsies tried to name themselves as the extinct Macedonian race. Who are you calling a gypsy you imbecile!!! Seriously, if we're gypsies then so are Serbs, since racially, we're not all that different. Do you enjoy throwing stones from your glass house?
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Post by karabin on Oct 13, 2008 1:05:32 GMT -5
...where some undereducated gypsies tried to name themselves as the extinct Macedonian race. Who are you calling a gypsy you imbecile!!! Seriously, if we're gypsies then so are Serbs, since racially, we're not all that different. Do you enjoy throwing stones from your glass house? Firstly we Serbs have an identity, culture and history, unlike you. We Serbs tried to protect your self proclaimed 'Macedonian' statehood even though that was hurting the Greeks and the real Ancient Macedonian history. That's how far we went to protect your Bulgarian asses. And the fact that you spit in our face after all that just shows how much we do not have in common. Instead of arguing here you should better help your 'government' come up with another name. I have a proposition: Republic of Southern Bulgaria. Sounds way more applicable to you guys.
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Post by Nikola on Oct 13, 2008 1:24:54 GMT -5
Firstly we Serbs have an identity, culture and history, unlike you. We Serbs tried to protect your self proclaimed 'Macedonian' statehood even though that was hurting the Greeks and the real Ancient Macedonian history. That's how far we went to protect your Bulgarian asses. And the fact that you spit in our face after all that just shows how much we do not have in common. Instead of arguing here you should better help your 'government' come up with another name. I have a proposition: Republic of Southern Bulgaria. Sounds way more applicable to you guys. You Serbs? Who nomonated YOU to speak on behalf of all Serbs??? You (personally) are nothing but a frustrated ignoramus who knows nothing of the world or your nearest neighbour. And that much is very obvious since you don't even know that the vast majority of Macedonians are actually on your side. The politicians makes these decisions, not the people. Just like your politicians suggested to Greece to split up what is left of Macedonia back in the early 90's. So, should I be angry at you for that?
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Post by karabin on Oct 13, 2008 1:38:40 GMT -5
i know a lot about the FYROM and their history. The only frustrated person here is you. The fact that you disagree with me shows YOUR lack of knowledge. People elect the government and so they are responsible for the back-stabbing of Serbia.
That is nonsense. The Greeks don't want the Northern Macedonia part, they never did. But the 'Macedonians' living in Northern Greek province of Macedonia sure do want a piece of that, well the whole territory to be precise. You guys are hypocritical phantoms. If all the Northern Macedonians(FYROM) are on Serbs side then where is the storming of the Skopje Parliament. I don't see the opposition. Let's face it you guys want to join EU or NATO whatever the cost.
Good luck with that.
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Post by Nikola on Oct 13, 2008 1:54:41 GMT -5
Why do we even matter to you? Seriously, do you feel threatened by the actions of a country with the population of only 2 million people? And only half of them, actually ethnic Macedonians?
We have a naming dispute with the Greeks, and that has nothing to do with Serbs. Do you understand? It has NOTHING TO DO WITH YOU, so stop expressing your unwanted opinion.
As for Kosovo, again, it shows how little you know about Macedonians when you continually insist that they would pick to be on the side of Albanians rather than on the side of Serbs. You are simply clueless.
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Post by karabin on Oct 13, 2008 3:02:08 GMT -5
Who said anything about Albanians? I am arguing about your drive to integrate into western europe and join the NATO alliance. You are stepping way out of line and damaging neighborly relations as well as territorial integrity of Serbia to do so. This is your history in the making and this will reflect who you are for millenniums of years. Don't forget that the west will abandon you when it suits them but Serbia will be the one you will have to live with.
So your recognition of the illegal independence of the Serbian province of Kosovo was a very bad move.
Hope you guys can live with it.
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Post by Nikola on Oct 13, 2008 3:23:12 GMT -5
I agree with you, but Macedonia isn't in a position to "choose". It's being used like a puppet by greater powers.
It still doesn't change the fact that you're a rude and arrogant prick who sees enemies in people who are sympathetic to your predicament.
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Post by karabin on Oct 13, 2008 3:49:03 GMT -5
It still doesn't change the fact that you're a rude and arrogant prick who sees enemies in people who are sympathetic to your predicament. Hehe sympathy will not get you very far on this front line my 'friend'. FYROM had a choice. They went the wrong way. And they will pay the price, don't worry about that. I feel sorry for the Northern 'Macedonians' that did support Serbia individually but unfortunately no one asks these people what they think. I would appreciate it if you could come up with a bit deeper arguments instead of using swear words. Lets not forget, FYROM at the moment is supporting Albanian separatists and terrorists on the side lines of their struggle to get into NATO and EU. Now you tell me how I should think of them. And please something more sensible this time, no swear words.
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Post by Nikola on Oct 13, 2008 4:18:20 GMT -5
What swear words? I haven't sworn once. If you mean insults then keep in mind that you started it by calling us gypsies.
Like I said, I agree with you on many things. But, let's be realistic, EU membership is the only "choice" for such a small country with unemployment levels at over 30%. What's the alternative? Isolation? Reliance on Russia??
Many Serb's see the EU as their future too. What do you think of them?
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Post by karabin on Oct 13, 2008 4:41:10 GMT -5
Let's be realistic here. FYROM could have a decent economy through the Balkan countries. That is a fact. You guys are not really that lost.
Saying that you have no "choice" is not good enough to justify the treason towards Serbia. You always had a choice, its what you wanted that determined what you chose.
I doubt that Serbia is going to be part of EU. Russia's interest is to keep Serbia in their circle of friends. If they lose Serbia to the West they have no authority in the Balkans.
The new Russia is a solid, capitalistic and rich trading partner. They are emerging as a new global economy big player. Going for Russia is anything but a poor choice. The West knows it, that is why they are barking so much about it and trying to swallow as many Balkan countries as possible in a pursuit to cut off any alliance(FYROM, Montenegro, Serbia etc..) that can justify Russian expansion.
There is a new world order showing at the horizon and Russia is a big part of it.
Anyways, good luck with the EU and NATO integration, you will need plenty of it.
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Post by Nikola on Oct 13, 2008 4:49:48 GMT -5
I'm suprised you don't seem to be too angry at the Montenegrins. Especially considering that they are actually Serbs (or closer to than Macedonians).
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Post by karabin on Oct 13, 2008 5:14:14 GMT -5
I'm suprised you don't seem to be too angry at the Montenegrins. Especially considering that they are actually Serbs (or closer to than Macedonians). There is not much to say. It was a done deal between Milo Djukanovic and the Albanian mafia. Had he not recognized Kosovo statehood, he would have not lived to see himself get out of that parliament at the end of that day. The Albanian community in Montenegro among the Muslim Serbs vote for Djukanovic, they make up 30% of his votes, and they can be credited for supporting him to separate from Serbia in 2006. Kosovo was looked at as payback time. The Montenegro country is shocked with what the Montenegrin regime has done, the regime is supporting Albanian seperatism and terrorism and further destabilizing the Balkan region. Other than what I have mentioned above I am really struggling to find a solid reason why the Montenegrin government recognized Kosovo statehood. If you can come up with something, please do share it with us.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Oct 13, 2008 6:04:55 GMT -5
"Why do we even matter to you? Seriously, do you feel threatened by the actions of a country with the population of only 2 million people? And only half of them, actually ethnic Macedonians?"
Do you understand the stance taken by both vardar and montenegro?....they are saying that they don't support laws relating to the borders of soverign nations. I'm with karabin here, this is a really stupid move.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Oct 13, 2008 6:21:59 GMT -5
"Yeah, and those Albanonias happen to be Serbia's closest ethnic kin. We should try to save them not let them rot under the Shipatrs."
Srbobran, l've said before that l simpathize/support them regarding their albanian problem because l couldn't live seeing any portion of vardar getting absorbed by albanians, however l do not support them in their quest to be recognised by a fantasy name and will not feel anything for them if they get funked by it because they deserve it infinity fold. I'm deeply pro greek and l will never ever let a friend/brother/ally down at any cost. History may suggest that they are our closest ethnic kin, but until they change their way towards our friend/brother/ally they are nothing to us and l don't give a rats what they think.
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Post by Nikola on Oct 13, 2008 7:26:02 GMT -5
Why do you group all Macedonians as though they all share the same opinion? Personally, I don't think I'm in any way linked to ancient Macedonians and I'm sure there are others out there who also think like me. But then again, I'm from the north of the country and those in the south have more right to think otherwise.
Honestly, a lot of Serbs are actually driving Macedonians away from any kind of friendship by pigheaded comments like the above. You don't agree with the situation, fine, but don't be such an arsehole about it.
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