Patrinos
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Post by Patrinos on Jun 6, 2009 7:50:39 GMT -5
He thus foretold the conquest of Istanbul by Muslims, and indicated the high spiritual rank of Sultan Mehmed II( who liberated Bosnia too) Liberation?? ;D
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Post by tito on Jun 6, 2009 8:22:54 GMT -5
He thus foretold the conquest of Istanbul by Muslims, and indicated the high spiritual rank of Sultan Mehmed II( who liberated Bosnia too) Liberation?? ;D Yes, naturally.
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Post by leshte on Jun 6, 2009 11:55:08 GMT -5
I know you don't like Ali Pasha because he basically screwed you guys. Point is he was practically independent from the Empire when you the rest of the Balkans weren't.
As for Kastrioti, don't be jealous, he too for 25 was independent when the rest of the Balkans wasn't. Also you getting boring with this religious talk, especially since I don't give a crap about religion. Fid something else.
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Post by alb12345 on Jun 6, 2009 13:10:25 GMT -5
We are you fathers if you origin is not from asia miror. the religion did mess things up so the great power wanted a new country with a old name and a fairy tale history . in 2009 we have a country puro homogen no one is minority and the most old people in the world viva hellas
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Patrinos
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Post by Patrinos on Jun 6, 2009 13:26:11 GMT -5
We are you fathers if you origin is not from asia miror. the religion did mess things up so the great power wanted a new country with a old name and a fairy tale history . in 2009 we have a country puro homogen no one is minority and the most old people in the world viva hellas Types like you are a frequent phainomeno in Albania?
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Post by todhrimencuri on Jun 6, 2009 17:17:13 GMT -5
In your biased mind, anyone who defends the other side is akin to Karta.
You compare me to someone who cant at all argue because it makes it easier to downplay what I said. Turks are far from the only ones who commit mass murder, far far from it. In fact, if we are to begin first and foremost, we should start with Europe, since they are by far the biggest criminals in human history. Then, when we compare Turks we should also add the crimes of Greeks, Serbs, Armenians, et. al to it.
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Post by Kastorianos on Jun 6, 2009 17:57:05 GMT -5
Meltdown...do me the favor....and shove off...I cant be bothered to discuss this sensible topic with a retard like you...
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Post by todhrimencuri on Jun 6, 2009 18:08:39 GMT -5
Cant be bothered = I cant debate without becoming emotional.
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Post by Kastorianos on Jun 6, 2009 18:12:52 GMT -5
You dont really believe there is anything to debate about the systematic massacres committed by the Turks. You know...you are even not a Turk....nevertheless you are defending them unconditionally....thus your attitude has only one purpose...to pis.s me off. Stop it or I will stop it. These games end here. Its enough.
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Post by todhrimencuri on Jun 6, 2009 18:33:00 GMT -5
Yes, I honestly do believe there is something to debate, because I think that if they should apologize,Greeks, Serbs and everyone else should as well. They are most often victims of circumstance than anything else. And yes, this is what I believe. I have even argued this with Turks. Im not Turkish, but I whole-heatedly consider their people to be my brothers.
Im not trying to piss anyone off, just creating a debate.
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Lib-Fier
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Post by Lib-Fier on Jun 6, 2009 19:09:59 GMT -5
Im not Turkish, but I whole-heatedly consider their people to be my brothers
where do you get the balls to make such deplorable claims? apart from a few obvious things we are nothing alike, where is this evident bretheren trait that we share?
we are distinct to any other nation in the balcans, our customs have remained unchanged for hundres of years, why did we earn the term Arnaut(he who won't back down) to distinguish us from anyone else in the ottoman armies...why is there always a distinct image of the albanian/arnaut in every artist rendition with a futanella and the typical skullrag and the distinct weaponery,
how are f*** are we brothers when they practically fed us to the greeks and serbs and made concessions in our name in the berlin congress?
what the f*** are you on about half the time, seriously?
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Kanaris
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Post by Kanaris on Jun 6, 2009 20:04:17 GMT -5
Melty is a history major... maybe he is on to something... I have many times have thought that too... it could and might be a good thing.
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Post by todhrimencuri on Jun 6, 2009 20:37:38 GMT -5
Fieri, your Orthodox... enough said...
Im not going to continue arguing. I said what I said and I stick to it. Got a problem? Shove it...
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Post by Kastorianos on Jun 7, 2009 4:48:55 GMT -5
Meltdown is making use of the easy position he has in this argument....he belongs to no one of the parties....so he can dish out without having to take stick...and he does it by trying to pass as a scientist...while his real intentions are clear.
Lets talk about the Kosovo issue for a change....what does he think of it? Following your logic....the Albanians have to apologize to the Serbs. Show us now mr. history-major how clinically-correct it would be to say that the Serbs are no committers, the Albanians no victims. Or do we all of a sudden have a totally different situation here because it was the orthodox that committed the crimes and muslims the victims? I just want to show how frivolous you actually are...always under the cover of science.
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Kralj Vatra
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Jun 7, 2009 5:09:47 GMT -5
Although Kastor, its good to see that your Greek part of yourself, tries to prevail over the albanian one, sentences like:
"Or do we all of a sudden have a totally different situation here because it was the orthodox that committed the crimes and muslims the victims? I just want to show how frivolous you actually are...always under the cover of science."
show you still cant set a proper metaphor.
watch your friends Kastor...
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Post by Kastorianos on Jun 7, 2009 5:24:14 GMT -5
How could you escape? Back to your wife's cage pyrro...immediately.
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Post by Arxileas on Jun 7, 2009 6:05:05 GMT -5
You guys celebrate the birth of Greek settlements. Do you know 90% of ancient Greek settlements were founded upon existing native ones? In many cases the natives were entirely exterminated to make room for the city, with religious sites and communities either incorporated as second class people or entirely wiped clean. WTF are you on about here ? Please explain...
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Kralj Vatra
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Jun 7, 2009 6:55:17 GMT -5
How could you escape? Back to your wife's cage pyrro...immediately. haha, i see your albanian half would not give up that easily ;D
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Lib-Fier
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Post by Lib-Fier on Jun 7, 2009 7:00:55 GMT -5
Fieri, your Orthodox... enough said... enough said what? does that make me a greek? greek inclined? what kind of a f***** up logic are you exercising here? if one is an orthodox then my birh right as such is to despise turks? that's not true is it? if there is a nation i have least respect for in the world is greeks, i would have hoped that was evident enough, or or you too dim to realise that thus far? everytime you say some controversial down right vommit-inducing bullcrap like that i'm gonna say smth because you are embarrassing us, and you o not represent nobody ok? i cringe everytime i read your historical renditions, that's what you've been reduced to, a f****ing liability, get a grip.
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Lib-Fier
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Post by Lib-Fier on Jun 7, 2009 7:05:25 GMT -5
How could you escape? Back to your wife's cage pyrro...immediately. haha, i see your albanian half would not give up that easily ;D pyrros, i find you neither funny nor interesting in any way shape or form, you think you're funny, i know you do, but you make people shiver with disgust....i have an advice for you spare people the affliction of your participation, seriously!
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