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Post by Patrinos on Jun 5, 2009 12:04:12 GMT -5
(This article is witten on the occasion of Turkish celebrations on 29th of May...) Don't remind it to the non muslims
If there were organised a conference with subject "We will take the City back"...?
If they made a maquette with the City's walls and the soldiers with their armors attacking the City...?
If a guy dressed like the famous and almost mythical Digenis Akritas and caught our Ulubatlé Hasan and took him down...?
If suddenly a guy entered the City dressed like Emperor Konstantinos on a white horse and next to him another like Loukas Notaras, or Georgios Sfrantzis entering like deputies of the City...?
If they built a paper Agia Sophia that hadn't minares but a cross...?
If they burnt frankincense (livani) and sung hymns, would you like it? You wouldn't, you would react, even call our ambassador back. Then why you do it?
556 years have passed and you celebrate the Capture like it was yesterday? Why every year this time you declare to the world :" these places weren't ours, we came later and captured them by force". So why you bring up a subject 6 centuries old?
Is there in your subconscious the fear that the City one day will be given back?
Don't be afraid, there isn't anything like these that some stupids of Ergenekon say, about the 1919 conditions. Don't be afraid, the 9 millions Greeks can take a city of 12 millions, and even if they take it they could never inhabit it. This is a dream of a handfull of idiots. And ours, that celebrate the Capture, are a handfull of fanatics that their voice is heard harshly.
Hey you, if they say continually to you that we plundered the City for three days and nights, what would we answer? Would we defend our selves in the European Court of Civil Rights or leave it to the historians...? Instead of be proud of the cities that we conquered lets be proud of those that we created, if there are any.But there aren't. All Anatolia is a conquered area.
Even the name of Anatolia(Anadolu) isn't what some believe (ana=mother, dolu=full) but it comes from the Greek word Anatoli(the east). Even the name of "Istabul" isn't like Ebliya Celebi says : "there where Islam excels" , but comes from the Greek "Eis tin Polin".
Ok thenm we gained permanent settlement, end to the nomadic life and thats why all buy five apartments together. None can move us, calm down. The villagers could hold back in killing Polis wittout many blathers.ENGİN ARDIÇwww.sabah.com.tr/Yazarlar/ardic/2009/05/29/hatirlatmayin_sunu_kefereye
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Post by Kanaris on Jun 5, 2009 14:36:08 GMT -5
Yes..this nomadic tribes that brought us kataifi and baklava... and other fine cookeries. They conquered a dead city with more Greeks fighting outside the walls of the Polis then inside.
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Post by donnie on Jun 5, 2009 15:39:44 GMT -5
The article raises a good point, but it's still smarter than celebrating defeats, like Serbs do.
Sry if I am a party pooper, but the Greeks didn't dare to go much outside their walls as they had no chance whatsoever. Some sources claim as much as 150-200,000 warriors besieged Constantinople. No chance the Greeks would dare to go outside. Mantzikert was a disaster and after that the Greeks didn't pose a major threat towards the Turks. There were some attempts by Catalan mercenaries to drive away the Turks from the eastern shores of the Aegean, with some success, but the Byzantines had difficulties controling them and eventually broke the contract and assaulted them with the help of the Bulgarians if I'm not mistaken. After that, the last cities except Constantinople itself were taken one by one ...
But those inside still fought valiantly in 1453. Perhaps, if they won, they could've postponed the fall of their capital by some years, but that's all.
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Post by SKORIC on Jun 5, 2009 15:53:20 GMT -5
The article raises a good point, but it's still smarter than celebrating defeats, like Serbs do. We have so many victories that we can celebrate defeats. Simply because we can Serbian-Turkish battlesBattle of Stephaniana in 1344 - Serbian victoryBattle of Gallipoli(1312) in 1347 - Serbian victoryBattle of Maritsa in September 26, 1371 Ottoman VictoryBattle of Dubravnica in 1381 - Serbian VictoryBattle of Savra in 1385 - Ottoman VictoryBattle of Plocnik in 1386 - Serbian victoryBattle of Bile¿a in 1388 - Serbian and Bosnian VictoryBattle of Kosovo in 1389 - Ottoman VictoryBattle of Tripolje in 1402 - Serbian VictoryBattle of Despotovac in 1406 - Serbian VictoryBattle of Kosmidion in 1408 - Ottoman Victory Battle of Carmorlu in 1410 - Serbian Victory Battle of Kruðevac in 1454 - Serbian victorySiege of Belgrade in 1456 - Hungarian-Christian-Serb victory conquest of Serbia in 1459 - Ottoman victoryconquest of Bosnia in 1463 - Ottoman victoryconquest of Hercegovina in 1482 - Ottoman victoryconquest of Montenegro in 1499 - Ottoman victoryFirst Serbian Uprising in 1804 Battle of Ivankovac in 1805 - Serbian victoryBattle of Miðar in 1806 - Serbian VictoryBattle of Deligrad in 1806 - Serbian victorySiege of Belgrade in 1806 - Serbian victoryBattle of Èegar in 1809 - Ottoman victory - Both armies destroyedOttomans reconquer Serbia 1813 - Ottoman VictorySecond Serbian uprising in 1815 Battle at Ljubiã - Serbian victoryBattle at Èaèak - Serbian victoryBattle at Paleþ - Serbian victory Battle at Poþarevac - Serbian victoryBattle at Dublje - Serbian victorySerbs take over Belgrade - Serbian victoryFirst Balkan War 1912 Battle of Kumanovo - Serbian VictoryBattle of Prilep - Serbian VictoryBattle of Bitola - Serbian VictorySiege of Adrianople - Serbian - Bulgarian VictorySiege of Shkoder - Serbian Victory
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Post by donnie on Jun 5, 2009 15:57:13 GMT -5
Sure ... sure
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Post by todhrimencuri on Jun 5, 2009 16:06:02 GMT -5
Yes..this nomadic tribes that brought us kataifi and baklava... and other fine cookeries. They conquered a dead city with more Greeks fighting outside the walls of the Polis then inside. Actually, the city had about 30,000-40,000 people. 7000 professional soldiers fought. The rest witnessed it.
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Post by todhrimencuri on Jun 5, 2009 16:07:00 GMT -5
The article raises a good point, but it's still smarter than celebrating defeats, like Serbs do. We have so many victories that we can celebrate defeats. Simply because we can Serbian-Turkish battlesBattle of Stephaniana in 1344 - Serbian victoryBattle of Gallipoli(1312) in 1347 - Serbian victoryBattle of Maritsa in September 26, 1371 Ottoman VictoryBattle of Dubravnica in 1381 - Serbian VictoryBattle of Savra in 1385 - Ottoman VictoryBattle of Plocnik in 1386 - Serbian victoryBattle of Bile¿a in 1388 - Serbian and Bosnian VictoryBattle of Kosovo in 1389 - Ottoman VictoryBattle of Tripolje in 1402 - Serbian VictoryBattle of Despotovac in 1406 - Serbian VictoryBattle of Kosmidion in 1408 - Ottoman Victory Battle of Carmorlu in 1410 - Serbian Victory Battle of Kruðevac in 1454 - Serbian victorySiege of Belgrade in 1456 - Hungarian-Christian-Serb victory conquest of Serbia in 1459 - Ottoman victoryconquest of Bosnia in 1463 - Ottoman victoryconquest of Hercegovina in 1482 - Ottoman victoryconquest of Montenegro in 1499 - Ottoman victoryFirst Serbian Uprising in 1804 Battle of Ivankovac in 1805 - Serbian victoryBattle of Miðar in 1806 - Serbian VictoryBattle of Deligrad in 1806 - Serbian victorySiege of Belgrade in 1806 - Serbian victoryBattle of Èegar in 1809 - Ottoman victory - Both armies destroyedOttomans reconquer Serbia 1813 - Ottoman VictorySecond Serbian uprising in 1815 Battle at Ljubiã - Serbian victoryBattle at Èaèak - Serbian victoryBattle at Paleþ - Serbian victory Battle at Poþarevac - Serbian victoryBattle at Dublje - Serbian victorySerbs take over Belgrade - Serbian victoryFirst Balkan War 1912 Battle of Kumanovo - Serbian VictoryBattle of Prilep - Serbian VictoryBattle of Bitola - Serbian VictorySiege of Adrianople - Serbian - Bulgarian VictorySiege of Shkoder - Serbian Victory All that... and yet somehow all of those battles and you were still conquered. And just so you know, defeats are to be mourned, not celebrated.
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Post by Patrinos on Jun 5, 2009 16:24:52 GMT -5
Sure ... sure What about Albania...which are the battles against Ottoman Empire...except Kastrioti's?...what about the... Albanian War of Independence ;D?
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Post by todhrimencuri on Jun 5, 2009 16:50:49 GMT -5
Independence? From whom? Grand Vezier from 1903-1908: Avlonyali Mehmet Ferid Pasha. Avlonya = Vlora (Gr. Aulona).
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Post by Patrinos on Jun 5, 2009 17:05:31 GMT -5
Independence? From whom? Grand Vezier from 1903-1908: Avlonyali Mehmet Ferid Pasha. Avlonya = Vlora (Gr. Aulona). You are right, the others from your fara pretend not to understand Albanians' role in the Osman Dovleti...
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Post by Kastorianos on Jun 5, 2009 18:34:38 GMT -5
I hope in future there will be more Turks like the writer of the article...
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Post by todhrimencuri on Jun 5, 2009 18:56:24 GMT -5
What, you mean people who are ready to sell out their nation? I hope they dont, these people are pathetic.
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Post by SKORIC on Jun 5, 2009 22:24:44 GMT -5
All that... and yet somehow all of those battles and you were still conquered. And just so you know, defeats are to be mourned, not celebrated. Yeh well what can ya do eh? Shit happens ;D
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Post by leshte on Jun 5, 2009 22:51:30 GMT -5
Patrinos with Kastrioti our victory lasted for 25 years. After that the most notable was Ali Pashe Tepelena. That lasted for many many years also. We got some hard headed people. That's why we were killed when we were caught opening schools in our language, or praying in our language. Well those that did pray.
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Post by tito on Jun 5, 2009 23:21:29 GMT -5
Don't remind it to the non muslims.. Then why you do it? 556 years have passed and you celebrate the Capture like it was yesterday? Why every year this time you declare to the world :" these places weren't ours, we came later and captured them by force". So why you bring up a subject 6 centuries old? It has nothing to do with the non muslims, it is simply a reminder of a prophecy that came true. According to an authentic narration, the Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, declared: Surely, Constantinople (Istanbul) will be conquered (by my community); how blessed the commander who will conquer it, and how blessed his army.He thus foretold the conquest of Istanbul by Muslims, and indicated the high spiritual rank of Sultan Mehmed II(who liberated Bosnia too), and the virtuousness of his army.
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Post by Kastorianos on Jun 6, 2009 3:44:36 GMT -5
It depends...if you are a Turk...you are the descendant of genocid-committers...and then its not pathetic...but genuine to deal with the past in the way this guy is doing it.
These traitor- declarations belong to the world of 15 and 16 years old-youths...and uneducated people...good to know that you are about to join them.
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Post by todhrimencuri on Jun 6, 2009 4:11:05 GMT -5
It depends...if you are a Turk...you are the descendant of genocid-committers...and then its not pathetic...but genuine to deal with the past in the way this guy is doing it. These traitor- declarations belong to the world of 15 and 16 years old-youths...and uneducated people...good to know that you are about to join them. 1. Genocide BS cannot be completely substantiated. Therefore they remain objective and for the historians to properly evaluate. I personally do not believe any genocide occurred, although I do believe there was a certain amount of ethnic cleansing, but this was done by all sides and if Turkey should apologize, all the rest should apologize as well. 2. This guy is stamping on a tradition common in most countries. In America there is Columbus Day, a day that is dreaded by the natives. You have such celebrations in many cultures. In Greece you celebrate the beginning of our revolution, which meant death for thousands upon thousands of Muslim communities in modern Greece. You have Slavs celebrating their entering the Balkans. Russians celebrating the ethnic cleansing of Prussia through the Great War of Liberation, or whatever they call it. The Turks too have a right in what was a historic conquest: Constantinople. It was their victory and it marked a change for their history and identity. The city served as the capitol of their empire for centuries on, because a religious, cultural and administrative center for the Ottoman Empire. And if Anatolia is conquered? So what? You guys celebrate the birth of Greek settlements. Do you know 90% of ancient Greek settlements were founded upon existing native ones? In many cases the natives were entirely exterminated to make room for the city, with religious sites and communities either incorporated as second class people or entirely wiped clean. Conquest is a part of mankind. To the losers they are dreaded, to the victors they are celebrated. Thus Turks have every single right to celebrate 1453... because it was their day. 3. Im not opposed to people going against the grain... I actually see myself as such with my own people. What I do oppose it those who sell their nation out to win some points from Europe or America. Those who attack their nation so they can look like heroes outside of it. Also, I despise those who act as dissidents simply to seem like they are different, as if it automatically means that they are different and thus more intelligent.
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Post by Kastorianos on Jun 6, 2009 4:47:33 GMT -5
We are not talking about conquests but systematic mass-murders that were committed by Turks only. I know you are tourkophil, but the way you are...is simply that of backward people. You are one of them...Karta-style...how could you sink so low...
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Post by Patrinos on Jun 6, 2009 6:17:34 GMT -5
Patrinos with Kastrioti our victory lasted for 25 years. After that the most notable was Ali Pashe Tepelena. That lasted for many many years also. We got some hard headed people. That's why we were killed when we were caught opening schools in our language, or praying in our language. Well those that did pray. Ali Pasha, an Albanian nationalist? For him there was nothing more important than his big head, and his revenge spirit for his mummy's openned pu$hy... his main enemies were the Cham agas, the Suliotes, Gardhiqiotes and the Greek klephtarmatoloi... trying to attribute to him nationalistic motives is ridiculous... And you've betrayed Kastrioti, if you are proud of him you can't be proud ,synchronously, for your tourkalvaniko past... I think that Turks are much more debatable than many Balkanians...
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Post by Kanaris on Jun 6, 2009 7:41:12 GMT -5
So Melty,we conquered who and took away the land that Greece is sitting on today? How funny this chit is... The Ottomans get to keep what they conquered but the Serbs have to lose Kosovo... pathetic listening to this guy act like he knows chit....
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